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Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2002-04-23 by Stephen Petegorsky

I may have missed an earlier post, but:  What kind of monitor do you 
have, and do you have any hardware/software for making profiles?  I think 
that the best but hardest way to have a what you see is what you get 
workflow is to have a good monitor that allows you to control the RGB, 
brightness, contrast, etc. controls individually and to have a puck (e.g. 
something like Colorvision's Spyder) and the OptiCal/PreCal software that 
goes with it to be able to read the info directly from the monitor's 
screen.  You choose a white point for the monitor and create a profile 
for your particular monitor that essentially corrects its way of making 
colors to a standard.  Once that's done you can also use profiling 
software to make a profile for the particular printer/ink/paper 
combination(s) you're using, and then in theory what you see on the 
monitor should be what you get in a print.  

In all fairness, it's neither foolproof nor 100% reliable, since there 
are so many gremlins out there.  And a print, created with dyes or 
pigments, and which we see with light reflected off the surface will 
never look just like a monitor image.  But it can get you very close and 
it can save you the time and hassle of making print after print and 
making change after change to a file to get something to look good.

Stephen Petegorsky
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www.spphoto.com

Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by alan_kearney@sbcglobal.net

Steve, I need more info in order to help you out here. I've a PPC Dual 2.7 GHz G5, running OS 10.4.9 and I calibrate one monitor (Apple Cinema Display 20in) with ColorEyes software and an X-Rite/Monaco "puck" (DTP-94) and I calibrate my other monitor (EIZO CG210) with EIZO Color Navigator software using the same monitor reader/"puck"! The EIZO software works exclusively with the EIZO monitor and using "digital controls" takes full control of the monitor and setting the gamma for me. Using ColorEyes software I set the gamma to a setting called "L*" if I remember correctly. Sorry, I can't be more specific but I'm in Tucson AZ and my Mac is in northern CA, waiting for me to get home from vacation :)

Alan
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            I ment to say target gamma setting re the 1.8 and 2.2 setting. Thanks

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Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by deandadin@aol.com

Hello Alan, I have the same computer.   I decided to just let the Optix xr do 
the calibration for me.   The profiling that comes with the computer is not 
enough.   I am using a Lacie 22 in monitor.   I really appreciate the response. 
Thanks Steve


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Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 4/8/07 10:23:21 PM, deandadin@... writes:


> for a mac do I set the white point at 1.8 or 2.2.
> 

1.8 and 2.2 are gamma values, not whitepoint values. Which you use will 
depend on whether your images are in a gamma 1.8 space, or a gamma 2.2 space.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com


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Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by Mark Savoia

I think the poster corrected himself with a follow up post already.
Mark
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On Apr 9, 2007, at 9:56 AM, CDTobie@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 4/8/07 10:23:21 PM, deandadin@... writes:
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>> for a mac do I set the white point at 1.8 or 2.2.
>>
>
> 1.8 and 2.2 are gamma values, not whitepoint values. Which you use  
> will
> depend on whether your images are in a gamma 1.8 space, or a gamma  
> 2.2 space.
>
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Unit
> Datacolor Inc.
> CDTobie@colorvision.com
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Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by amadou diallo

The choice of a 1.8 or 2.2 gamma in your monitor calibration is
independent of the working spaces you define in Photoshop. For LCD
monitor calibration you generally want to use a gamma that is close to
the native gamma of the display itself. This reduces the hit to the 8
bit video card data during calibration. LCDs have a native gamma
closer to 2.2 than 1.8, so 2.2 is what is often recommended. Whichever
gamma you choose when calinrating your monitor, Photoshop will make
the necessary adjustments to whatever working space you choose.
-- 
amadou diallo
Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com

Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by Mark Savoia

Its good to see you are done with the book so you can answer all our  
questions again
:)
Nice to have you back.
Mark
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On Apr 9, 2007, at 10:35 AM, amadou diallo wrote:

> The choice of a 1.8 or 2.2 gamma in your monitor calibration is
> independent of the working spaces you define in Photoshop. For LCD
> monitor calibration you generally want to use a gamma that is close to
> the native gamma of the display itself. This reduces the hit to the 8
> bit video card data during calibration. LCDs have a native gamma
> closer to 2.2 than 1.8, so 2.2 is what is often recommended. Whichever
> gamma you choose when calinrating your monitor, Photoshop will make
> the necessary adjustments to whatever working space you choose.
> -- 
> amadou diallo
> Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
> www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com
>
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Re: [Digital BW] monitor calibration

2007-04-09 by amadou diallo

Thanks Mark. It's really nice to have only 1 full-time job again...

On 4/9/07, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
> Its good to see you are done with the book so you can answer all our
> questions again
> :)
> Nice to have you back.
> Mark
-- 
amadou diallo
Author, Mastering Digital Black and White
www.masteringdigitalbwbook.com

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