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My wife does not understand me

My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by dickbo

I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
consider ways to raise the necessary funding.

As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
product out of official earnings, can I now?

I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too terrible
for words).

I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for the
purchase of a medium format camera, two or three lenses and the appropiate
film scanner (by that time my last bit of personal capital will have been
swallowed up in obtaining an 1160 and a Cone magic wand driver device).

What I would appreciate from the that collection of great satanists who
inhabit this here news group, is some suggestions as to the best currently
available within the mid format range.

Do not bother about the scanning side as I have had more to do with that
product type than anyone here has had in hot dinners.

I laready own a set of professional size Cokin's and a jolly little spot
meter.
My understanding of the technical application of the Zone System is complete
so now all I need is the bread.

Any suggestions most gratefully considered, even from the Rev Franklin, St
Erlich? - well now that's a different matter entirely.

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by meander@mail.dk

>
> I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for 
> the
> purchase of a medium format camera,

I have a Bronica and a friend a Hassleblad. Both cameras have been 
collecting dust since we each bought the Mamiya 7. Nuff said.

Jerry.

p.s. I also have the same problem with my wife.

RE: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by Austin Franklin

> I have a Bronica and a friend a Hassleblad. Both cameras have been
> collecting dust since we each bought the Mamiya 7. Nuff said.
>
> Jerry.
>
> p.s. I also have the same problem with my wife.

She, too, is collecting dust since you bought the Mamiya? ;-)

My only comment on rangefinders is they don't do close focusing at
all...which, for my use, is an issue, but I really do love using my
rangefinders.  I find the Hasselblad 20x[x] works better for me, since they
F[E] lenses offer very close focusing.

Austin

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by Julian Thomas

There is a cheap answer if you are happy with a 75mm or 85mm lens - a
rolleiflex F. About 600USD. I love mine. Soon to be getting a sh mamiya6
with a 50mm lens.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "dickbo" <Dickbo@...>
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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:31 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


> I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
> directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
> consider ways to raise the necessary funding.
>
> As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
> product out of official earnings, can I now?
>
> I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
> forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too terrible
> for words).
>
> I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for the
> purchase of a medium format camera, two or three lenses and the appropiate
> film scanner (by that time my last bit of personal capital will have been
> swallowed up in obtaining an 1160 and a Cone magic wand driver device).
>
> What I would appreciate from the that collection of great satanists who
> inhabit this here news group, is some suggestions as to the best currently
> available within the mid format range.
>
> Do not bother about the scanning side as I have had more to do with that
> product type than anyone here has had in hot dinners.
>
> I laready own a set of professional size Cokin's and a jolly little spot
> meter.
> My understanding of the technical application of the Zone System is
complete
> so now all I need is the bread.
>
> Any suggestions most gratefully considered, even from the Rev Franklin, St
> Erlich? - well now that's a different matter entirely.
>
>
>
>
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Re: My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by johnvphoto

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "dickbo" <Dickbo@b...> 
wrote:
> I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a 
route
> directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have 
to
> consider ways to raise the necessary funding.

Once you find what you like check out ebay for the best deals - I 
just got a great deal on an Arca-Swiss Discovery camera. 

You could go with a 2 1/2  camera and medium format film 
scanner or a 4x5 with an Espon flatbed. Just as long as you 
control density with the zone system you will be able to get much 
out of the scanner.

I have a RZ - the lenses are sharp as a tack and now the 
Discovery 4x5. Also Nikons of course.

Good Luck,

John v.

My Wife Understands Me all too Well!

2002-04-25 by mkravit

She admits, the more cameras and lenses I have the more I 
stay out of her hair  and away from the house and don't 
aggrevate her.

Jeez, you just can't win. Females I tell you, females!

-Mike

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by meander@mail.dk

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 06:26 , Julian Thomas wrote:

> There is a cheap answer if you are happy with a 75mm or 85mm lens - a
> rolleiflex F. About 600USD. I love mine. Soon to be getting a sh mamiya6
> with a 50mm lens.
>
> Julian
>

I guess we should tell Dickbo why we chose Rangefinder Med cameras. For 
me,with the Hassie/Bron  it takes minutes to set them up on a tripod and 
level them. Quite often, in landscapes,  the light has changed and the 
shot lost. Rangefinder plus  monopod with tilting head takes just 
seconds. I think all the R-Med cameras have a very good portrait lens. I 
use the 150mm Mamiya for portrait and landscape. Plus, these cameras are 
quite light to carry.

Now, I can hear my wife dusting off my dinner so I will say goodnight to 
you all.

Jerry.

Re: My Wife Understands Me all too Well!

2002-04-25 by jackperk

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <mjkaia@k...> 
wrote:
> She admits, the more cameras and lenses I have the more I 
> stay out of her hair  and away from the house and don't 
> aggrevate her.
> 
> Jeez, you just can't win. Females I tell you, females!
> 
> -Mike


Mike,

I just saw the three magnificent prints you have entered in the Palm 
Beach Photographic Centre competition and I have to tell you -- and 
all the others looking in -- that yours are great representatives of 
the digitally printed B&W photography. 

Something to be said for having a drum scanner and a 10000, huh?

You must be ready to "cast off" the "old" 7000, aren't you?

Best,

Jack

RE: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-25 by Mahesi Caplan-Faust

For landscape I recommend the Mamiya 7 II. A little eccentric like a large
leica but fantastic sharp lenses. No good for close up work though but light
weight and silent shutter
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  On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 06:26 , Julian Thomas wrote:

  > There is a cheap answer if you are happy with a 75mm or 85mm lens - a
  > rolleiflex F. About 600USD. I love mine. Soon to be getting a sh mamiya6
  > with a 50mm lens.
  >
  > Julian
  >

  I guess we should tell Dickbo why we chose Rangefinder Med cameras. For
  me,with the Hassie/Bron  it takes minutes to set them up on a tripod and
  level them. Quite often, in landscapes,  the light has changed and the
  shot lost. Rangefinder plus  monopod with tilting head takes just
  seconds. I think all the R-Med cameras have a very good portrait lens. I
  use the 150mm Mamiya for portrait and landscape. Plus, these cameras are
  quite light to carry.

  Now, I can hear my wife dusting off my dinner so I will say goodnight to
  you all.

  Jerry.



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Re: [Digital BW] Re: My Wife Understands Me all too Well!

2002-04-25 by Michael J. Kravit

Hello Jack,

Glad to hear that you enjoyed the images. It is always a pleasure to 
have someone like you take part in our center. Thank you for the nice 
complement, your images are so outstanding that I feel quite honored to 
receive such a compliment.  BTW, I show your book to everyone who comes 
to the house to visit.

And, I would like to say that anyone who has not had the pleasure of 
seeing Jacks presentation is really missing out. Jack performs his 
poetry with his images along with a group of incredibly talented 
performers.

Thanks again Jack.

Mike
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On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 02:40 PM, jackperk wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <mjkaia@k...>
> wrote:
>> She admits, the more cameras and lenses I have the more I
>> stay out of her hair  and away from the house and don't
>> aggrevate her.
>>
>> Jeez, you just can't win. Females I tell you, females!
>>
>> -Mike
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I just saw the three magnificent prints you have entered in the Palm
> Beach Photographic Centre competition and I have to tell you -- and
> all the others looking in -- that yours are great representatives of
> the digitally printed B&W photography.
>
> Something to be said for having a drum scanner and a 10000, huh?
>
> You must be ready to "cast off" the "old" 7000, aren't you?
>
> Best,
>
> Jack
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-26 by J Greer

Everyone has their preferences and what I'm about to tell you is just that: 
my preference.

I've used the Pentax 645, Bronica SQAi, Bronica ERTSi, Fuji GA645i, and old 
Mamyia TLRs. I didn't care much for the Pentax; don't know why. Seems like 
a great camera but me and it just didn't click. I love both the Bronicas. 
Cheaper than the competition and great lenses. I like the square format but 
the ETRSi is just that much smaller and more portable. The Fuji is a great 
travel camera but only has the one focal length and is no longer 
manufactured. The TLR was my first MF camera and I have a fondness for it 
but hardly use it anymore as the optics aren't up to what you can buy 
today. I've also seen the Bronica RF 645 and if you don't need 
interchangeable backs, this would be worth consideration for its 
portability. I'm not much on RF focusing but the Bronica seems easy to 
focus, at least for me.

Jeff Greer

At 04:31 PM 04/25/2002 +0100, you wrote:
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>I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
>directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
>consider ways to raise the necessary funding.
>
>As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
>product out of official earnings, can I now?
>
>I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
>forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too terrible
>for words).
>
>I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for the
>purchase of a medium format camera, two or three lenses and the appropiate
>film scanner (by that time my last bit of personal capital will have been
>swallowed up in obtaining an 1160 and a Cone magic wand driver device).
>
>What I would appreciate from the that collection of great satanists who
>inhabit this here news group, is some suggestions as to the best currently
>available within the mid format range.
>
>Do not bother about the scanning side as I have had more to do with that
>product type than anyone here has had in hot dinners.
>
>I laready own a set of professional size Cokin's and a jolly little spot
>meter.
>My understanding of the technical application of the Zone System is complete
>so now all I need is the bread.
>
>Any suggestions most gratefully considered, even from the Rev Franklin, St
>Erlich? - well now that's a different matter entirely.
>
>
>
>
>
>Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and 
>other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-26 by Martin Wesley

Dick,

There is one pitfall in moving up to medium format. You may not be going far enough. I bought my Pentax 67 and a Beseler 23 enlarger figuring that I would never, ever need a larger negative. Within 6 months I bought a 4x5 view camera and had to ditch the Beseler 23 for a 4x5 model.

The Pentax 67 was a good move though and it still gets a lot of use. At the time you could get a body, prism and 3-lenses new for about $1,800.

My point is that you may want to sample view camera life as well as medium format. For 6,000 UKP you should be able to do both is if you buy used and shop around. If you do go with a view camera, I would recommend 5x7 at this point as it will give you an advantage over 4x5 at the scanning stage.

Maybe a 6x4.5 for the portrait work and a 5x7 for the landscapes? Something to thing about.

Martin Wesley
http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dickbo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:31 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


  I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
  directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
  consider ways to raise the necessary funding.

  As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
  product out of official earnings, can I now?

  I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
  forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too terrible
  for words).

  I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for the
  purchase of a medium format camera, two or three lenses and the appropiate
  film scanner (by that time my last bit of personal capital will have been
  swallowed up in obtaining an 1160 and a Cone magic wand driver device).

  What I would appreciate from the that collection of great satanists who
  inhabit this here news group, is some suggestions as to the best currently
  available within the mid format range.

  Do not bother about the scanning side as I have had more to do with that
  product type than anyone here has had in hot dinners.

  I laready own a set of professional size Cokin's and a jolly little spot
  meter.
  My understanding of the technical application of the Zone System is complete
  so now all I need is the bread.

  Any suggestions most gratefully considered, even from the Rev Franklin, St
  Erlich? - well now that's a different matter entirely.





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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-26 by len

If I may interject my two-pence worth here, I'd suggest that the next limiting factors (liquidity being the first) should be the convenience-physical strength parameters:  pick the largest format you can easily and comfortably lug around.  If I could begin again, I'd get a sturdy field-type 4x5 view camera with a couple of very sharp lenses.  Even now, as an ultra-senior citizen, I'm toying with the idea of shelving my Hasselblad and Linhof Technika in favor of an 8x10, fearing that my demographics and remaining common sense will prevail in the end.

Len
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: dickbo 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:31 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


  I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
  directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
  consider ways to raise the necessary funding.

  As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
  product out of official earnings, can I now?

  I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
  forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too terrible
  for words).

  I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for the
  purchase of a medium format camera, two or three lenses and the appropiate
  film scanner (by that time my last bit of personal capital will have been
  swallowed up in obtaining an 1160 and a Cone magic wand driver device).

  What I would appreciate from the that collection of great satanists who
  inhabit this here news group, is some suggestions as to the best currently
  available within the mid format range.

  Do not bother about the scanning side as I have had more to do with that
  product type than anyone here has had in hot dinners.

  I laready own a set of professional size Cokin's and a jolly little spot
  meter.
  My understanding of the technical application of the Zone System is complete
  so now all I need is the bread.

  Any suggestions most gratefully considered, even from the Rev Franklin, St
  Erlich? - well now that's a different matter entirely.




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RE: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-26 by Herb Bauer

Hi,

you say "I would recommend 5x7 at this point as it will give you an
advantage over 4x5 at the scanning stage." Makes sense, larger film and all.
I do have such a beast, and am desperately trying to find a 5x7 scanner that
doesn't break the bank. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Herb
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
  Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:38 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


  Dick,

  There is one pitfall in moving up to medium format. You may not be going
far enough. I bought my Pentax 67 and a Beseler 23 enlarger figuring that I
would never, ever need a larger negative. Within 6 months I bought a 4x5
view camera and had to ditch the Beseler 23 for a 4x5 model.

  The Pentax 67 was a good move though and it still gets a lot of use. At
the time you could get a body, prism and 3-lenses new for about $1,800.

  My point is that you may want to sample view camera life as well as medium
format. For 6,000 UKP you should be able to do both is if you buy used and
shop around. If you do go with a view camera, I would recommend 5x7 at this
point as it will give you an advantage over 4x5 at the scanning stage.

  Maybe a 6x4.5 for the portrait work and a 5x7 for the landscapes?
Something to thing about.

  Martin Wesley
  http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: dickbo
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:31 AM
    Subject: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


    I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
    directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
    consider ways to raise the necessary funding.

    As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
    product out of official earnings, can I now?

    I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
    forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too
terrible
    for words).

    I have set myself a target figure of UKP 6,000 big ones to be used for
the
    purchase of a medium format camera, two or three lenses and the
appropiate
    film scanner (by that time my last bit of personal capital will have
been
    swallowed up in obtaining an 1160 and a Cone magic wand driver device).

    What I would appreciate from the that collection of great satanists who
    inhabit this here news group, is some suggestions as to the best
currently
    available within the mid format range.

    Do not bother about the scanning side as I have had more to do with that
    product type than anyone here has had in hot dinners.

    I laready own a set of professional size Cokin's and a jolly little spot
    meter.
    My understanding of the technical application of the Zone System is
complete
    so now all I need is the bread.

    Any suggestions most gratefully considered, even from the Rev Franklin,
St
    Erlich? - well now that's a different matter entirely.





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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-26 by Jerry Olson

You don't need a high resolution scanner to scan large negatives such as 5x7. Any High quality desktop flatbed with 1200 optical resolution
and transparency adapter would be more than you'd need. You'll need to get one that has either a large film carrier, or some other way to
scan that large a transparency or negative though.

Jerry



Herb Bauer wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> you say "I would recommend 5x7 at this point as it will give you an
> advantage over 4x5 at the scanning stage." Makes sense, larger film and all.
> I do have such a beast, and am desperately trying to find a 5x7 scanner that
> doesn't break the bank. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> Herb
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
>   Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:38 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me
>
>   Dick,
>
>   There is one pitfall in moving up to medium format. You may not be going
> far enough. I bought my Pentax 67 and a Beseler 23 enlarger figuring that I
> would never, ever need a larger negative. Within 6 months I bought a 4x5
> view camera and had to ditch the Beseler 23 for a 4x5 model.
>
>   The Pentax 67 was a good move though and it still gets a lot of use. At
> the time you could get a body, prism and 3-lenses new for about $1,800.
>
>   My point is that you may want to sample view camera life as well as medium
> format. For 6,000 UKP you should be able to do both is if you buy used and
> shop around. If you do go with a view camera, I would recommend 5x7 at this
> point as it will give you an advantage over 4x5 at the scanning stage.
>
>   Maybe a 6x4.5 for the portrait work and a 5x7 for the landscapes?
> Something to thing about.
>
>   Martin Wesley
>   http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: dickbo
>     To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:31 AM
>     Subject: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me
>
>     I am at last prepared to admit the larger film format offers a route
>     directly into superior quality, and as a result I will shortly have to
>     consider ways to raise the necessary funding.
>
>     As an old age pensioner I can hardly be expected to pay for the beastly
>     product out of official earnings, can I now?
>
>     I will therefore have to seriously consider getting paid employment (God
>     forbid that I actually do some work- well at my age it's just too
> terrible
>     for words).
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> the
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Re:My wife does not understand me

2002-04-27 by Sanders-Herring

>, and am desperately trying to find a 5x7
>scanner that
>doesn't break the bank. Any suggestions?

>Thanks!
>Herb

> I would recommend 5x7 at this
>point as it will give you an advantage over 4x5
at the scanning >stage.

> Maybe a 6x4.5 for the portrait work and a 5x7
for the 
>landscapes?
>Something to thing about.

> Martin Wesley


It's nice to know I'm not the only one around
here using a 5x7, the neglected step-child of
large format.
Herb, if you're looking for a scanner for 5x7 and
have an extra $18,000 between the cushions of
your couch, an Imacon should work just fine. But
if you're like me and refuse to spend that much
on a car(the Imacon doesn't get very good
mileage, I'm told), and have more time than
money, here's my $400 workaround. I recently got
an Epson 2450 which will scan 4x5. The light
source is actually 4x9. I made a 5x7 neg carrier
using the 4x5 as a template. I then scan my 5x7s
in two pieces and stitch them together in
Photoshop. It takes a few minutes longer but I'm
making beautiful prints and still have money left
for film.

-Alan


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RE: [Digital BW] Re:My wife does not understand me

2002-04-27 by Herb Bauer

Couch, what couch? That's right, I sold that for film as well :)

I thank you for the suggestion, it's definitely more my price range. Has
anybody actually used a Visioneer 8820 - they are cheap and supposedly go to
5 x 7?

Herb
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sanders-Herring [mailto:alaneileen@...]
  Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 1:16 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re:My wife does not understand me


  >, and am desperately trying to find a 5x7
  >scanner that
  >doesn't break the bank. Any suggestions?

  >Thanks!
  >Herb

  > I would recommend 5x7 at this
  >point as it will give you an advantage over 4x5
  at the scanning >stage.

  > Maybe a 6x4.5 for the portrait work and a 5x7
  for the
  >landscapes?
  >Something to thing about.

  > Martin Wesley


  It's nice to know I'm not the only one around
  here using a 5x7, the neglected step-child of
  large format.
  Herb, if you're looking for a scanner for 5x7 and
  have an extra $18,000 between the cushions of
  your couch, an Imacon should work just fine. But
  if you're like me and refuse to spend that much
  on a car(the Imacon doesn't get very good
  mileage, I'm told), and have more time than
  money, here's my $400 workaround. I recently got
  an Epson 2450 which will scan 4x5. The light
  source is actually 4x9. I made a 5x7 neg carrier
  using the 4x5 as a template. I then scan my 5x7s
  in two pieces and stitch them together in
  Photoshop. It takes a few minutes longer but I'm
  making beautiful prints and still have money left
  for film.

  -Alan


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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by David Dyer-Bennet

"William Cobb" <bcphoto@...> writes:

> An Epson 1640 or 2450 with transparency adapter would do for 5x7
> film if the person were willing to do two scans and stitch them
> together in PhotoShop or some other image editor.

The other issue is the dmax the scanner will handle, in combination
with the brightness of the light source.  With my Umax Astra 1220U
plus transparency adapter, I can make scans of 4x5 negs (or 127 roll
film, for that matter), but I don't get that many grey levels resolved
and I tend to lose the highlight detail.  I can make useful prints,
but compared to a *good* scan of the same negatives, it's actually
pretty bad. 
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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by William Cobb

----- Original Message -----
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  From: David Dyer-Bennet 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


  "William Cobb" <bcphoto@...> writes:

  > An Epson 1640 or 2450 with transparency adapter would do for 5x7
  > film if the person were willing to do two scans and stitch them
  > together in PhotoShop or some other image editor.

  The other issue is the dmax the scanner will handle, in combination
  with the brightness of the light source.  With my Umax Astra 1220U
  plus transparency adapter, I can make scans of 4x5 negs (or 127 roll
  film, for that matter), but I don't get that many grey levels resolved
  and I tend to lose the highlight detail.  I can make useful prints,
  but compared to a *good* scan of the same negatives, it's actually
  pretty bad. 
  -- 
  David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@...  /  Ghugle: the Fannish Ghod of Queries
  John Dyer-Bennet 1915-2002 Memorial Site http://john.dyer-bennet.net
          Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/
                   Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
  The better quality alternatives would lead to a scanner that was beyond the budget the poster originally stated, but you're right 3.2D isn't going to give one the greatest scan on the planet.



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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by vinyo88

--- 
If you use the Epson 2450 be prepared to wait. I used a friends this 
weekend and it took over 15 min to scan a b&w 4x5 neg at 600 dpi. I 
have 109 to scan from a trip out west and I don't know if I will live 
long enough to complete it.

Vinny




In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "William Cobb" <bcphoto@b...> 
wrote:
> An Epson 1640 or 2450 with transparency adapter would do for 5x7 
film if the person were willing to do two scans and stitch them 
together in PhotoShop or some other image editor.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jerry Olson 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y... 
>   Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:17 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me
> 
> 
>   You don't need a high resolution scanner to scan large negatives 
such as 5x7. Any High quality desktop flatbed with 1200 optical 
resolution
>   and transparency adapter would be more than you'd need. You'll 
need to get one that has either a large film carrier, or some other 
way to
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>   scan that large a transparency or negative though.
> 
>   Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by Billy Cobb

vinyo88 wrote:

> ---
> If you use the Epson 2450 be prepared to wait. I used a friends this
> weekend and it took over 15 min to scan a b&w 4x5 neg at 600 dpi. I
> have 109 to scan from a trip out west and I don't know if I will live
> long enough to complete it.
>
> Vinny
>
Which software driver were you using?
I've used both the Epson TWAIN driver and Ed Hamrick's 'VueScan' the 
latter takes forevva but gives me more control over tweaking the scan to 
my purpose. The longer scam time with that scan utilty saves 
prep/clean-up time in PhotoShop.

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

vinyo88 wrote:

> ---
> If you use the Epson 2450 be prepared to wait. I used a friends this
> weekend and it took over 15 min to scan a b&w 4x5 neg at 600 dpi. I
> have 109 to scan from a trip out west and I don't know if I will live
> long enough to complete it.
>
That makes NO sense at all.. What software were you using to scan it..? 
 The only way the time could be that high is if the scan was done at 
2400 dpi and then downsampled..  

I have a 2450, it's even running on a USB 1.1 port... no USB 2.0, no 
FireWire

Lemme run a scan.. Hang on..

Ok, the 4x5 scan took about 1' 15'' with another 40 seconds to save the 
file. That's whether I used VueScan OR SilverFast...


I only see four possibilities:

1)    Your friend's scanner has bad firmware or some kind of hardware 
problem

2)    The system it is running on has some weird problem..

3)    Software is installed incorrectly.

4)    You are running the scanner software improperly..


Of those, it sounds most likely that you are doing a scan at the full 
2400dpi and then downsampling in the software prior to writing the file 
to the hard drive..

I'm definitely no shill for EPSON, but this scanner is one of the best 
ProSumer flatbeds I have seen.

[Keith]
 
 




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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by Alan Zinn

At 07:50 PM 6/28/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>An Epson 1640 or 2450 with transparency adapter would do for 5x7 film if
the person were willing to do two scans and stitch them together in
PhotoShop or some other image editor.
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Jerry Olson 
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:17 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me
>
>
>  You don't need a high resolution scanner to scan large negatives such as
5x7. Any High quality desktop flatbed with 1200 optical resolution
>  and transparency adapter would be more than you'd need. You'll need to
get one that has either a large film carrier, or some other way to
>  scan that large a transparency or negative though.
>
>  Jerry
>
>

Guys,

The lamp on the E2450 is a bit over 4-1/2 in. wide about 1/8in. less than
the image area of a 5 x 7. One problem you should be aware of scanning large
film, especially with the fixed-lamp scanners, is unevenness. It may be
noticeable in the long axis with some pictures. See a review of E2450 on my
web page.

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by Alan Zinn

At 11:57 AM 4/29/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>--- 
>If you use the Epson 2450 be prepared to wait. I used a friends this 
>weekend and it took over 15 min to scan a b&w 4x5 neg at 600 dpi. I 
>have 109 to scan from a trip out west and I don't know if I will live 
>long enough to complete it.
>
>Vinny
>


You must be doing something wrong Vinny. It should take less than a minute.
Anyhow, why don't you scan everything a 72dpi and preview them? Or are they
all keepers? :-)

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by vinyo88

--- 
Allen
The time is the same on 2 different machines. I am using a 1.2 gig 
Intel processor, with 384 megs of ram using PS6.01. My friends mach 
is slower and I at first thought it was his machine. I tried both 
Silverfast and the Epson Twain that came with the machine and both 
took the same time. My old Acer 1220 flat bed would do the same scans 
in 2-1/2 min. I don't know what I am doing wrong but at this point 
this would be the last scanner I would purchase. I wrote to Epson and 
am waiting for a reply.
BTW: I saw your prints in New Haven-Beautiful That is all I can say
Vinny




In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Alan Zinn <AZinn@n...> wrote:
> At 11:57 AM 4/29/2002 -0000, you wrote:
> >--- 
> >If you use the Epson 2450 be prepared to wait. I used a friends 
this 
> >weekend and it took over 15 min to scan a b&w 4x5 neg at 600 dpi. 
I 
> >have 109 to scan from a trip out west and I don't know if I will 
live 
> >long enough to complete it.
> >
> >Vinny
> >
> 
> 
> You must be doing something wrong Vinny. It should take less than a 
minute.
> Anyhow, why don't you scan everything a 72dpi and preview them? Or 
are they
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> all keepers? :-)
> 
> AZ
> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/
>          or
> keyword.com lookaround

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by vinyo88

---
I know it makes no since, But it is working that way on 2 different 
computers. Mine is a 1.2 gig with Intel III and 384 meg of ram. I 
used both the Silverfast and Epson Twain soltware that came the 
scanner. I was set to purchase this scanner because of all the good 
write ups it got. The scans I am finally getting are 45 meg but still 
taking 15 min. I have used the Silverfast before so I don't think 
that is the problem. I wish I could find out because I really like 
the machine but as is I would not purchase one.

Vinny



 In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" 
<editor@p...> wrote:
> vinyo88 wrote:
> 
> > ---
> > If you use the Epson 2450 be prepared to wait. I used a friends 
this
> > weekend and it took over 15 min to scan a b&w 4x5 neg at 600 dpi. 
I
> > have 109 to scan from a trip out west and I don't know if I will 
live
> > long enough to complete it.
> >
> That makes NO sense at all.. What software were you using to scan 
it..? 
>  The only way the time could be that high is if the scan was done 
at 
> 2400 dpi and then downsampled..  
> 
> I have a 2450, it's even running on a USB 1.1 port... no USB 2.0, 
no 
> FireWire
> 
> Lemme run a scan.. Hang on..
> 
> Ok, the 4x5 scan took about 1' 15'' with another 40 seconds to save 
the 
> file. That's whether I used VueScan OR SilverFast...
> 
> 
> I only see four possibilities:
> 
> 1)    Your friend's scanner has bad firmware or some kind of 
hardware 
> problem
> 
> 2)    The system it is running on has some weird problem..
> 
> 3)    Software is installed incorrectly.
> 
> 4)    You are running the scanner software improperly..
> 
> 
> Of those, it sounds most likely that you are doing a scan at the 
full 
> 2400dpi and then downsampling in the software prior to writing the 
file 
> to the hard drive..
> 
> I'm definitely no shill for EPSON, but this scanner is one of the 
best
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> ProSumer flatbeds I have seen.
> 
> [Keith]
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: My wife does not ...

2002-04-29 by Jean-Michel Paris

What is it that makes so many B&W photographers misunderstood by their wives?
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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

vinyo88 wrote:

> ---
> I know it makes no since, But it is working that way on 2 different
> computers.


Well..

I would take the scanner back to the vendor  and try another unit..

I can tell you that it has to be the unit then... Unless... Have you 
tried using different connection methods?  The real bottleneck on most 
of these scanners tends to actually be data traveling over the USB or 
FireWire cable..

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that either:

1)    The firmware is messed.

2)    The cabling is bad.

3)    The interface at the scanner end is shorted..

If you have been using FireWire try using the USB connector... If USB, 
try the FireWire one..

Keith

Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-04-29 by NYC Photographer

Wrong email address



--- "Editor P.O.V. Image Service"
<editor@...> wrote:
> vinyo88 wrote:
> 
> > ---
> > I know it makes no since, But it is working that
> way on 2 different
> > computers.
> 
> 
> Well..
> 
> I would take the scanner back to the vendor  and try
> another unit..
> 
> I can tell you that it has to be the unit then...
> Unless... Have you 
> tried using different connection methods?  The real
> bottleneck on most 
> of these scanners tends to actually be data
> traveling over the USB or 
> FireWire cable..
> 
> I would bet dollars to doughnuts that either:
> 
> 1)    The firmware is messed.
> 
> 2)    The cabling is bad.
> 
> 3)    The interface at the scanner end is shorted..
> 
> If you have been using FireWire try using the USB
> connector... If USB, 
> try the FireWire one..
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me

2002-06-29 by William Cobb

An Epson 1640 or 2450 with transparency adapter would do for 5x7 film if the person were willing to do two scans and stitch them together in PhotoShop or some other image editor.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jerry Olson 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] My wife does not understand me


  You don't need a high resolution scanner to scan large negatives such as 5x7. Any High quality desktop flatbed with 1200 optical resolution
  and transparency adapter would be more than you'd need. You'll need to get one that has either a large film carrier, or some other way to
  scan that large a transparency or negative though.

  Jerry




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