Digital BW, The Print

Gregory,

After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, have reached a position on the matter.

While our intent is to disseminate information about the many techniques of producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to your approach.

We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first approached the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the subject with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each individual to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail address.

We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at odds with the "commercial free" policy of the Group.

We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated Yahoo's "Terms of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached the privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. (You are apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed copies which is only available to members of the Group.)

Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User Group, "Digital B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply with this request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will also contact Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and your copyright violations.

This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask Group members to monitor your site for compliance.

Martin Wesley
Antonis Ricos




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Gregory,
> 
Bravo.
Seconded, every word.
Bernd Langmack


> After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's 
owners, have reached a position on the matter.
> 
> While our intent is to disseminate information about the many 
techniques of producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take 
exception to your approach.
> 
> We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first 
approached the Group owners about your project, then to have 
brought up the subject with the entire Group, and finally obtained 
permission from each individual to reproduce each individual 
post and to publish their e-mail address.
> 
> We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at 
odds with the "commercial free" policy of the Group.
> 
> We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated 
Yahoo's "Terms of Service," you have broken copyright laws and 
you have breached the privacy of the members whose e-mail 
addresses you have posted. (You are apparently unaware that 
the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the Group list that 
is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed copies 
which is only available to members of the Group.)
> 
> Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User 
Group, "Digital B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you 
do not comply with this request, your membership in the Group 
will be banned. We will also contact Yahoo to inform them of your 
breach of the Terms of Service and your copyright violations.
> 
> This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask 
Group members to monitor your site for compliance.

> 
> Martin Wesley
> Antonis Ricos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you Martin and Antonis, well done.

Carolyn

> We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated Yahoo's "Terms
> of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached the privacy
> of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. (You are apparently
> unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the Group list that
> is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed copies which is only
> available to members of the Group.)
> 
> Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User Group, "Digital
> B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply with this
> request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will also contact
> Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and your copyright
> violations.

Wow...that about says it...thanks guys.  Should we put a brief statement to
this effect in the joining instructions for the group...just to make sure
that new members "get it".

Robert

On 5/16/02 10:17 AM, "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> wrote:

> Gregory,
> 
> After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, have reached
> a position on the matter.
> 
> While our intent is to disseminate information about the many techniques of
> producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to your approach.
> 
> We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first approached
> the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the subject with
> the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each individual to
> reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail address.
> 
> We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at odds with the
> "commercial free" policy of the Group.
> 
> We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated Yahoo's "Terms
> of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached the privacy
> of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. (You are apparently
> unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the Group list that
> is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed copies which is only
> available to members of the Group.)
> 
> Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User Group, "Digital
> B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply with this
> request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will also contact
> Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and your copyright
> violations.
> 
> This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask Group members to
> monitor your site for compliance.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> Antonis Ricos

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Gregory,
> 
Bravo.
Seconded, every word.
Bernd Langmack


> After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's 
owners, have reached a position on the matter.
> 
> While our intent is to disseminate information about the many 
techniques of producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take 
exception to your approach.
> 
> We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first 
approached the Group owners about your project, then to have 
brought up the subject with the entire Group, and finally obtained 
permission from each individual to reproduce each individual 
post and to publish their e-mail address.
> 
> We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at 
odds with the "commercial free" policy of the Group.
> 
> We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated 
Yahoo's "Terms of Service," you have broken copyright laws and 
you have breached the privacy of the members whose e-mail 
addresses you have posted. (You are apparently unaware that 
the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the Group list that 
is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed copies 
which is only available to members of the Group.)
> 
> Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User 
Group, "Digital B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you 
do not comply with this request, your membership in the Group 
will be banned. We will also contact Yahoo to inform them of your 
breach of the Terms of Service and your copyright violations.
> 
> This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask 
Group members to monitor your site for compliance.

> 
> Martin Wesley
> Antonis Ricos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Gregory,
> 
Bravo.
Seconded, every word.
Bernd Langmack


> After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's 
owners, have reached a position on the matter.
> 
> While our intent is to disseminate information about the many 
techniques of producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take 
exception to your approach.
> 
> We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first 
approached the Group owners about your project, then to have 
brought up the subject with the entire Group, and finally obtained 
permission from each individual to reproduce each individual 
post and to publish their e-mail address.
> 
> We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at 
odds with the "commercial free" policy of the Group.
> 
> We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated 
Yahoo's "Terms of Service," you have broken copyright laws and 
you have breached the privacy of the members whose e-mail 
addresses you have posted. (You are apparently unaware that 
the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the Group list that 
is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed copies 
which is only available to members of the Group.)
> 
> Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User 
Group, "Digital B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you 
do not comply with this request, your membership in the Group 
will be banned. We will also contact Yahoo to inform them of your 
breach of the Terms of Service and your copyright violations.
> 
> This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask 
Group members to monitor your site for compliance.

> 
> Martin Wesley
> Antonis Ricos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK I'm back... (never went away weally... groans from the ensembled
multitude)

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <greg@...>; <gregory@...>
Cc: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] The Photo Binbook


> Gregory,
>
> After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, have
reached a position on the matter.
>
> While our intent is to disseminate information about the many techniques
of producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to your
approach.
>
> We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first
approached the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the
subject with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each
individual to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail
address.
>
> We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at odds with
the "commercial free" policy of the Group.
>
> We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated Yahoo's
"Terms of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached the
privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. (You are
apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the
Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed
copies which is only available to members of the Group.)
>
> Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User Group,
"Digital B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply
with this request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will also
contact Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and your
copyright violations.
>
> This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask Group members
to monitor your site for compliance.
>
> Martin Wesley
> Antonis Ricos
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Hello Martin and Antonis,

I don't believe you are correct when you state that we have
violated Yahoo's "Terms of Service". I also don't believe
that you have the authority to request that we remove posts
from anyone besides yourself.

However, we have decided that we will indeed remove all posts
from this group while we investigate this further. Of course
the posts of individuals who request so will be permanently
removed.

Best regards,

Gregory Popovitch
Binbooks Corporation

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:17 PM
To: greg@...; gregory@...
Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The Photo Binbook


Gregory,

After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, have
reached a position on the matter.

While our intent is to disseminate information about the many techniques of
producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to your
approach.

We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first approached
the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the subject
with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each individual
to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail address.

We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at odds with the
"commercial free" policy of the Group.

We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated Yahoo's "Terms
of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached the
privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. (You are
apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the
Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed
copies which is only available to members of the Group.)

Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User Group, "Digital
B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply with this
request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will also contact
Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and your
copyright violations.

This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask Group members
to monitor your site for compliance.

Martin Wesley
Antonis Ricos

Putting a brief statement concerning the purpose of the list and 
responsibilities of the members is a very good idea and might solve many 
problems before they arise. That way we could get away from playing 
amateur lawyer - which we are probably rally bad at - and get back to 
talking about photography.

I'm one of the moderators on a yahoo list and our standard operating 
procedure is to review the request for joining. We send them an Email, 
ask them to briefly tell us who they are and why they would like to be 
on the list. We usually approve the requester, but we have caught some 
trotters who have no interest in what the list is about.

Truman

Robert Morrison wrote:

> Wow...that about says it...thanks guys.  Should we put a brief 
> statement to
> this effect in the joining instructions for the group...just to make sure
> that new members "get it".
>
> Robert

Greg wrote:

>We don't claim other people's knowledge, we indeed credit
>every post to its author.

Greg, you're STILL not getting it! And you're getting very annoying. Do some
research! And make sure my emails and email address don't show up on your
site.

Thomas Keesling
Intelligent Design, Inc.

Hi Martin,

Please note that all the posts from this group
have been removed. If you can still see any, it is
because you are behind a cache and it will not
last more than 48 hours (you can try hitting 'refresh').

As for exposing the email addresses, you are correct
that this was an oversight from our part.

It was never our intent to alienate anyone, and we
are sorry we didn't anticipate the bad feelings which
did arise. I wish you the best for yourself as well
as for the group.

Best regards,

Gregory Popovitch
Binbooks Corporation

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:17 PM
To: greg@...; gregory@...
Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The Photo Binbook


Gregory,

After reviewing the binbook discussion we, as the Group's owners, have
reached a position on the matter.

While our intent is to disseminate information about the many techniques of
producing a B&W print from a digital file, we take exception to your
approach.

We feel that it would have been appropriate for you to have first approached
the Group owners about your project, then to have brought up the subject
with the entire Group, and finally obtained permission from each individual
to reproduce each individual post and to publish their e-mail address.

We also feel that the commercial nature of your project is at odds with the
"commercial free" policy of the Group.

We are in agreement with earlier posts that you have violated Yahoo's "Terms
of Service," you have broken copyright laws and you have breached the
privacy of the members whose e-mail addresses you have posted. (You are
apparently unaware that the sender's e-mail address is not posted to the
Group list that is open to the public but are only sent out with e-mailed
copies which is only available to members of the Group.)

Please remove all posts you have copied from the Yahoo! User Group, "Digital
B&W, The Print," from your site immediately. If you do not comply with this
request, your membership in the Group will be banned. We will also contact
Yahoo to inform them of your breach of the Terms of Service and your
copyright violations.

This message will also be posted to the list and we will ask Group members
to monitor your site for compliance.

Martin Wesley
Antonis Ricos