Digital BW, The Print

Martin,

Thanks for the most informative reply.

I suspected this is what it was. I have been looking for just such an item.
I visited a printmaker here in Rochester, NY who used a gel for doing their
drum scans and told me I could use it on my PowerLook III. Newton rings are
a big problem with this scanner. I contacted the vender but was never able
to get any info about ordering it.

Thanks again. I will report my results after I give it a try.

Scott

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From: <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:44 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Kammi Fluid?


> Scott,
>
> This is a "mounting fluid" used by drum scanner operators to mount
> negatives or transparencies to the drum for scanning. If can also be
> used with flatbed scanners to mount negatives for scanning.
>
> George DeWolfe described wet mounting negs on a flatbed scanner in an
> article in Camera Arts one or two issues back. I will look it up for
> you if you are interested. George used mineral oil but the Kami SXL
> 2001 fluid is supposed to be nicer to work with in that it is
> specifically made for this application and is easier to clean off the
> scanner and your negative.
>
> Basically a small puddle of mounting fluid is placed on the scanner
> glass, the negative is laid in the fluid, more fluid goes on top of
> the neg and finally a Mylar sheet is laid on top and the air bubbles
> are pushed out.
>
> The advantages are a better scan by removing the two film-to-air
> interfaces in the optical path. Scratches and dust are also reduced.
>
> The manufacturer's website is:
>
> http://www.kami-produkte.de/english/
>
> They also sell tapes and cleaning materials to use in this
> application.
>
> In the US a nation wide distributor is Prime Source, which has
> outlets in most major cities. Their website is as
> http://207.153.212.74/
>
> There was a long thread on this a couple of months ago on the Piezo
> list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piezography3000
>
> Now I have not actually tried this with my Linoscan 1400 but it is on
> my list of things to do....
>
> If you give it a try please let us know how it works out!
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Scott Hendershot"
> <scott@p...> wrote:
> > I saw a reference to Kammi fluid in one of the posts on this list.
> Can
> > someone tell me what Kammi fluid is?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Scott
>
>
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Scott,

I order all my Kami supplies direct from Kami USA.  Call George Siebold at
904.964.3408.  One problem you might run into regardless of where you
purchase it from is minimum quantity.  Most of the places I checked will
only sell far more than you need to just try it out.  Perhaps George can
help you out with a very small sample.  If not, get back to me and I'll get
you some.  A little bit goes a very long way.

A good source for a gel would be Policrom, www.Policrom.com.  They make a
Poligel and a Polifluid.  I got samples of these when I got my scanner but
never used them, but I know some people like them.  One can also use the
anti-newton sprays.  Kami makes one called Scannex, and Prazio,
www.prazio.com, sells one called Alron.  Prazio also has a variety of oils
and gels.

Ron


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Scott & Ron

Ron Landucci wrote:

> Scott,
>
> I order all my Kami supplies direct from Kami USA.  Call George
> Siebold at
> 904.964.3408.  One problem you might run into regardless of where you
> purchase it from is minimum quantity.

You can get whatever quantities of Kami oil from PrineSource they are a
dealer for prepress supplies all over the country. The closest store to
me is in the Chicago Burbs at 630-875-2200, but they have stores all
over the country.

Mark
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Mark Romine
MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
227 Fairway Drive
Bloomington, IL 61701
309-662-4258
http://www.markrominephoto.com



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Mark,

I did not believe the stories regarding Kami Fluid being the cause of 
acrylic drum crazing. But, I just has to replace the acrylic on one 
of my drums due to crazing after 6 months of using Kami Mounting 
Fluid and Drun Cleaner. It was an original Howtek 4000 drum!  

I started using Prazio Anti-Newton Fluid and Drun Cleaner with my 
other drum. It is does not evaporate quite as quickly, but leaves no 
residue at all.

The acrylic replacement cost me $1,200!

Mike

Mike:

"Michael J. Kravit" wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I did not believe the stories regarding Kami Fluid being the cause of
> acrylic drum crazing.

A friend of mine just had to replace two drums for the very same reason.
The crazing happened the first time he used the Kami oil on the drums.

Mark


--
Mark Romine
MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
227 Fairway Drive
Bloomington, IL 61701
309-662-4258
http://www.markrominephoto.com



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Mike, Mark,

I assume that this would not be an issue for use on flatbed scanners 
with a glass plate?

From what I have heard of Kammi fluid, it is very close in nature 
to "vanishing oil" used in metal working. A low molecular weight oil 
with a low flash point that evaporates easily. Almost a solvent. 
These typically can cause skin irritations by dissolving oils and 
drying out the skin. In a similar manner it probably removes the 
plasticizing agents from your drums making the surface brittle and 
causing surface checking.

Most importantly did you note any ill effects on your negatives from 
using the Kammi fluid? Any experience with their mounting tapes and 
other products?

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Mark Romine <klick3@g...> 
wrote:
> Mike:
> 
> "Michael J. Kravit" wrote:
> 
> > Mark,
> >
> > I did not believe the stories regarding Kami Fluid being the 
cause of
> > acrylic drum crazing.
> 
> A friend of mine just had to replace two drums for the very same 
reason.
> The crazing happened the first time he used the Kami oil on the 
drums.

> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> --
> Mark Romine
> MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
> 227 Fairway Drive
> Bloomington, IL 61701
> 309-662-4258
> http://www.markrominephoto.com
> 
> 
> 
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Martin:

mwesley250@... wrote:

> I assume that this would not be an issue for use on flatbed scanners
> with a glass plate?

No problem with glass plates.

> Most importantly did you note any ill effects on your negatives from
> using the Kammi fluid?

Absolutely none, I have been using it now for nearly two years.

> Any experience with their mounting tapes and
> other products?

Their mounting tape is the best IMO.

Mark
--
Mark Romine
MARK ROMINE PHOTOGRAPHY
227 Fairway Drive
Bloomington, IL 61701
309-662-4258
http://www.markrominephoto.com



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