Digital BW, The Print

> 
> Right, I haven't actually tested VM...but the Brightcube Semi-Matte sprayed
> with Krylon is what I would recommend for MIS FS or Cone inks.  The surface
> is similar to the Generations Prophoto Lustre, however, so if you don't like
> that you are out of luck for the time being with all BW pigmented inks.  Try
> spraying the Generations print with Krylon UV Resistant Clear (#1305)...3 to
> four light coats...if the problem you are experiencing is bronzing...that
> will take care of it...then I would try the Brightcube paper and spray.  If
> you are in Europe...check Julian Thomas's posts on the spray that he is
> using (apparently Krylon is not available...at least in Spain).  If you
> really need gloss/BW prints, or don't want to spray you may need to switch
> to the Lyson Small Gamut inks and sacrifice longevity.
> 
> Robert

 
Robert,

I have a bunch of old Kodak "glossy" inkjet paper and as an experiment I
printed on it using Piezo inks.  At first I was like, Wow!, then the ink
dried to the familiar dull blacks from the pigment ink.  I went looking for
some Krylon 1305 but could not find any but I did buy some Krylon "crystal
clear" acrylic coating #1303. After 2 light coats the print is back to Wow!

My question:  From your experience, would the 1305 spray work even better?

Right now the prints have a "pearl" surface to them, mostly from the texture
of the original kodak paper.  I was just wondering whether the 1305 would
make for an even better looking print.

Thanks Robert for all your reporting on the glossy challenge.  Also where do
you buy your Krylon from?  I also live in LA.

-Bruce

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On 5/27/02 5:09 PM, "Bruce" <smthopr@...> wrote:

> 
>> 
>> Right, I haven't actually tested VM...but the Brightcube Semi-Matte sprayed
>> with Krylon is what I would recommend for MIS FS or Cone inks.  The surface
>> is similar to the Generations Prophoto Lustre, however, so if you don't like
>> that you are out of luck for the time being with all BW pigmented inks.  Try
>> spraying the Generations print with Krylon UV Resistant Clear (#1305)...3 to
>> four light coats...if the problem you are experiencing is bronzing...that
>> will take care of it...then I would try the Brightcube paper and spray.  If
>> you are in Europe...check Julian Thomas's posts on the spray that he is
>> using (apparently Krylon is not available...at least in Spain).  If you
>> really need gloss/BW prints, or don't want to spray you may need to switch
>> to the Lyson Small Gamut inks and sacrifice longevity.
>> 
>> Robert
> 
> 
> Robert,
> 
> I have a bunch of old Kodak "glossy" inkjet paper and as an experiment I
> printed on it using Piezo inks.  At first I was like, Wow!, then the ink
> dried to the familiar dull blacks from the pigment ink.  I went looking for
> some Krylon 1305 but could not find any but I did buy some Krylon "crystal
> clear" acrylic coating #1303. After 2 light coats the print is back to Wow!
> 
> My question:  From your experience, would the 1305 spray work even better?

Probably not.  The key is technique...I think the 1303 is the same stuff
minus the UV absorpbers.  As you layer on more thin coats your dmax will
eventually level out at about 2.2.  In my experience the Kodak papers are
hard to get an even coat.
 
> Right now the prints have a "pearl" surface to them, mostly from the texture
> of the original kodak paper.  I was just wondering whether the 1305 would
> make for an even better looking print.

Probably not.  I would definitely try some Brightcube gloss though.  I'm not
sure which Kodak paper you are using...but if it is Ultima Satin...the
images are soft in comparison and they are really difficult to handle...the
rub off isn't as bad with the Semi-Matte.  Of course there is no rub off
once you spray...but you have to keep the pigment on the paper until you
spray!

> Thanks Robert for all your reporting on the glossy challenge.  Also where do
> you buy your Krylon from?  I also live in LA.

I'm on the west side.  Pearl Art Supply is the cheapest.  I go to the one on
La Cienega (near Pico).  Utrect in Santa Monica (on Santa Monica at Bundy)
also has it for a few cents more.  I would guess that the Art Store also
probably has it...its not hard to find typically...I have art stores
everywhere in my neighborhood and they all seem to have it.

Robert

One thing i do is to spray whilst the ink is still wet - maybe 30secs after
printing.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce" <smthopr@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:09 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: spraying glossy prints


>
> >
> > Right, I haven't actually tested VM...but the Brightcube Semi-Matte
sprayed
> > with Krylon is what I would recommend for MIS FS or Cone inks.  The
surface
> > is similar to the Generations Prophoto Lustre, however, so if you don't
like
> > that you are out of luck for the time being with all BW pigmented inks.
Try
> > spraying the Generations print with Krylon UV Resistant Clear
(#1305)...3 to
> > four light coats...if the problem you are experiencing is
bronzing...that
> > will take care of it...then I would try the Brightcube paper and spray.
If
> > you are in Europe...check Julian Thomas's posts on the spray that he is
> > using (apparently Krylon is not available...at least in Spain).  If you
> > really need gloss/BW prints, or don't want to spray you may need to
switch
> > to the Lyson Small Gamut inks and sacrifice longevity.
> >
> > Robert
>
>
> Robert,
>
> I have a bunch of old Kodak "glossy" inkjet paper and as an experiment I
> printed on it using Piezo inks.  At first I was like, Wow!, then the ink
> dried to the familiar dull blacks from the pigment ink.  I went looking
for
> some Krylon 1305 but could not find any but I did buy some Krylon "crystal
> clear" acrylic coating #1303. After 2 light coats the print is back to
Wow!
>
> My question:  From your experience, would the 1305 spray work even better?
>
> Right now the prints have a "pearl" surface to them, mostly from the
texture
> of the original kodak paper.  I was just wondering whether the 1305 would
> make for an even better looking print.
>
> Thanks Robert for all your reporting on the glossy challenge.  Also where
do
> you buy your Krylon from?  I also live in LA.
>
> -Bruce
>
> Visit my website at:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~smthopr
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Is it necessary to spray prints made with UT 2 inks on Ilford Pearl? 
Is the concern that the inks rub offf, in which case it would seem 
that if they are framed or matted and hung there would not be a 
problem.

Simpler question than a lot lately :)

Thanks,

Steve

Hmmm.... I like ilford smooth pearl a lot with the UT2 inks, 
...BUT......I absolutely have to spray them or they just have a super 
exagerated bronzing effect. Like if you hold to the light a certain 
way, it looks like you sprinkled the print with glitter. The print 
shield spray takes csare of it, and you cant tell it's on there. Then 
the print looks and feels great. Just two quick coats back to back 
about 10 seconds apart is what do. Rotate the print 90 degrees for the 
second coat.......DM
On Sep 11, 2004, at 3:24 PM, Stephen Kobrin wrote:

> Is it necessary to spray prints made with UT 2 inks on Ilford Pearl?
>  Is the concern that the inks rub offf, in which case it would seem
>  that if they are framed or matted and hung there would not be a
>  problem.
>


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Thanks,

The bronzing was not that visable on my test print, but I get the 
point.

Steve


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> Hmmm.... I like ilford smooth pearl a lot with the UT2 inks, 
> ...BUT......I absolutely have to spray them or they just have a 
super 
> exagerated bronzing effect. Like if you hold to the light a certain 
> way, it looks like you sprinkled the print with glitter. The print 
> shield spray takes csare of it, and you cant tell it's on there. 
Then 
> the print looks and feels great. Just two quick coats back to back 
> about 10 seconds apart is what do. Rotate the print 90 degrees for 
the 
> second coat.......DM
> On Sep 11, 2004, at 3:24 PM, Stephen Kobrin wrote:
> 
> > Is it necessary to spray prints made with UT 2 inks on Ilford 
Pearl?
> >  Is the concern that the inks rub offf, in which case it would 
seem

> >  that if they are framed or matted and hung there would not be a
> >  problem.
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]