Digital BW, The Print

Hello all,

Earlier I had some banding problems when using the Peizo drivers (no
banding with Epson drivers and Randall curves) but was able to clear
it up with some nozzle checks and head cleanings and all has been
fine.

But now, using the Piezo driver, I printed on EAM (no problems) and
then, wanting more vibrant whites, I tried the same print on Legion
Photo Matte and I got banding. I used the Legion Photo Matte profile
in the Piezo driver settings too. I then tried the same image on the
LPM but using the Epson drivers/Randall curve and got thinner and
closer together banding. I did a nozzle check and it was perfect. I
use an 1160 and FS-N inks. Anyone know why this happens?

Thanks,

Richard

> I used the Legion Photo Matte profile
> in the Piezo driver settings too. I then tried the same image on the
> LPM but using the Epson drivers/Randall curve and got thinner and
> closer together banding. I did a nozzle check and it was perfect. I
> use an 1160 and FS-N inks. Anyone know why this happens?

> Richard

The papers are two different thicknesses - do a head alignment with the Epson 
tools and see if that helps.

John V.

A few possibilities:

1. Statistical Sample....it was "time" for a banded print. Random nature of
printing defects.

2.  Slippery paper.
LPM has a very smoooth  surface and as I recall, a different "hand" or feel
than EAM...not as stiff as I recall...check your head position lever (was it
the same for all prints?)  Perhaps the slipperiness  of LPM allowed a little
slipping in the transport of the paper through your printer.  Check/clean
your rollers. Put your paper lever on the lower setting.

3.  Its the ink.  (wINK)

Yep...some people getting banding think it is the ink...and it very well
could be...but you are not using Piezo Ink....  Well...it could be a lot of
things.

Try number 2 above.   To overcome number one above, just make more prints,
increase your odds of getting a good print...

4.  Check and double check to make sure that when you switched drivers and
settings that when you went back to the Piezo sw you had the Epson printer
setting correctly set for Piezo.  Read the manual for the proper settings
for dither, paper, speed, error diffusion, etc...  Make certain.

5.  Carts or CIS?  Could make a difference.

Hope that helps.

Steadman

  -----Original Message-----
  From: rich8155 [mailto:richard@...]
  Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:48 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] EAM - fine, Legion PM - banding, why?


  Hello all,

  Earlier I had some banding problems when using the Peizo drivers (no
  banding with Epson drivers and Randall curves) but was able to clear
  it up with some nozzle checks and head cleanings and all has been
  fine.

  But now, using the Piezo driver, I printed on EAM (no problems) and
  then, wanting more vibrant whites, I tried the same print on Legion
  Photo Matte and I got banding. I used the Legion Photo Matte profile
  in the Piezo driver settings too. I then tried the same image on the
  LPM but using the Epson drivers/Randall curve and got thinner and
  closer together banding. I did a nozzle check and it was perfect. I
  use an 1160 and FS-N inks. Anyone know why this happens?

  Thanks,

  Richard


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Have you done a head alignment? And on the Legion paper itself?

Made a big difference for me, also using Piezo & an 1160 with MIS FS-N. Had
terrible banding in the midtones that went away after a head alignment.

-BK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] EAM - fine, Legion PM - banding, why?


> A few possibilities:
>
> 1. Statistical Sample....it was "time" for a banded print. Random nature
of
> printing defects.
>
> 2.  Slippery paper.
> LPM has a very smoooth  surface and as I recall, a different "hand" or
feel
> than EAM...not as stiff as I recall...check your head position lever (was
it
> the same for all prints?)  Perhaps the slipperiness  of LPM allowed a
little
> slipping in the transport of the paper through your printer.  Check/clean
> your rollers. Put your paper lever on the lower setting.
>
> 3.  Its the ink.  (wINK)
>
> Yep...some people getting banding think it is the ink...and it very well
> could be...but you are not using Piezo Ink....  Well...it could be a lot
of
> things.
>
> Try number 2 above.   To overcome number one above, just make more prints,
> increase your odds of getting a good print...
>
> 4.  Check and double check to make sure that when you switched drivers and
> settings that when you went back to the Piezo sw you had the Epson printer
> setting correctly set for Piezo.  Read the manual for the proper settings
> for dither, paper, speed, error diffusion, etc...  Make certain.
>
> 5.  Carts or CIS?  Could make a difference.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Steadman
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: rich8155 [mailto:richard@...]
>   Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:48 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] EAM - fine, Legion PM - banding, why?
>
>
>   Hello all,
>
>   Earlier I had some banding problems when using the Peizo drivers (no
>   banding with Epson drivers and Randall curves) but was able to clear
>   it up with some nozzle checks and head cleanings and all has been
>   fine.
>
>   But now, using the Piezo driver, I printed on EAM (no problems) and
>   then, wanting more vibrant whites, I tried the same print on Legion
>   Photo Matte and I got banding. I used the Legion Photo Matte profile
>   in the Piezo driver settings too. I then tried the same image on the
>   LPM but using the Epson drivers/Randall curve and got thinner and
>   closer together banding. I did a nozzle check and it was perfect. I
>   use an 1160 and FS-N inks. Anyone know why this happens?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Richard
>
>
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Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 8:21:02 AM, Barry Kelsall wrote:

BK> Have you done a head alignment? And on the Legion paper itself?

BK> Made a big difference for me, also using Piezo & an 1160 with MIS FS-N. Had
BK> terrible banding in the midtones that went away after a head alignment.

BK> -BK


Thanks, Barry, and others for the suggestions.  I did not realize a
head alignment for each paper might be necessary.  I'll give it a try.

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

Jerry, I ordered a box of 13x19 and got Enhanced Matt. I then ordered 
a box of 8-1/2x11 and got Archival Matt. Printing showed no 
difference at all.

Vinny


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Richard Sintchak 
<richard@c...> wrote:
> Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 8:21:02 AM, Barry Kelsall wrote:
> 
> BK> Have you done a head alignment? And on the Legion paper itself?
> 
> BK> Made a big difference for me, also using Piezo & an 1160 with 
MIS FS-N. Had
> BK> terrible banding in the midtones that went away after a head 
alignment.
> 
> BK> -BK
> 
> 
> Thanks, Barry, and others for the suggestions.  I did not realize a
> head alignment for each paper might be necessary.  I'll give it a 
try.

> 
> Best regards,
>  Richard  
> 
> mailto:richard@c...

I imagine it's the same paper, but am wondering what epson did to it to
get the 2 gsm difference between the papers. SOMEthing changed.  Was it
just weight? and if so, why only 2 gsms, which would be undetectable if
they hadn't claimed it was 192 instead of the old 190.

Jerry



vinyo88 wrote:

> 
> Jerry, I ordered a box of 13x19 and got Enhanced Matt. I then ordered
> a box of 8-1/2x11 and got Archival Matt. Printing showed no
> difference at all.
> 
> Vinny
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Richard Sintchak
> <richard@c...> wrote:
> > Tuesday, July 23, 2002, 8:21:02 AM, Barry Kelsall wrote:
> >
> > BK> Have you done a head alignment? And on the Legion paper itself?
> >
> > BK> Made a big difference for me, also using Piezo & an 1160 with
> MIS FS-N. Had
> > BK> terrible banding in the midtones that went away after a head
> alignment.
> >
> > BK> -BK
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Barry, and others for the suggestions.  I did not realize a
> > head alignment for each paper might be necessary.  I'll give it a
> try.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >  Richard
> >
> > mailto:richard@c...
> 
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