Digital BW, The Print

Hey all.  I've done my homework on inks, continuous inking 
systems and printers, but haven't had the chance to price papers 
yet.  Where are the cheapest prices found on the net?

I'm looking for some Epson Archival Matte for proofing and the 
Hahnemuhle Photo Rag (lighter of the two).  I'm open to other 
papers as well, but prefer a smooth surface and have heard that 
the Photo Rag prints very deep blacks.  Are there any other good 
papers that I should look into?  

Thanks for your help!

Andy

http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm

...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There shipping prices are
very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at other places).

Doug

At least for 13" wide paper, I was surprised to find Gateway 
Accessory store to be low cost. And they have distribution centers 
all over the place. Takes awhile to get things to the northwest from 
the atlex.com store mentioned in this string.  

http://www.gtwaccessories.com/cgi-
bin/pagegen/gtwaccessories/www/page.html?mode=search&file=%2Fpage%
2Fsearch%
2Fsearchresultsv1.spl&catid=316441&searchtype=&keywords=epson+S041339&
x=7&y=2

I get my epson Heavyweight Matte S041263, and epson Archival Matte 
S041339 at gateway. I haven't priced other types and sizes there.

ken
http://www.kensmithart.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Doug Fisher" 
<dougfisher@e...> wrote:
> http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm
> 
> ...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There shipping 
prices are
> very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at other 
places).
> 
> Doug

At 09:50 PM 7/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm
>
>...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There shipping prices are
>very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at other places).
>
>Doug

 Thanks Doug, good prices!  
What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced Matte?  I
thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
http://www.panoramacamera.us
         or
keyword.com lookaround

For good prices on Hahnemuhle papers, contact John Zokowski of
Butler-Dearden Paper Service, Inc.  I've been ordering from him for some
months now and have had excellent service and pricing.  He can be reached at
jzokowski@...

Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
www.spphoto.com

I have never seen enhanced matte. I just ordered a box from Atlex, with
the specific instructions that under NO circumstances were they to send
a box of ARCHIVAL matte. I wanted to see the actual difference.  

Surprise surprise. They sent a box of ARCHIVAL matte.  I'm returning it.
THis is the third time they have sent this paper even though I told them
NOT to.

Jerrry

Alan Zinn wrote:

> 
> At 09:50 PM 7/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm
> >
> >...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There shipping prices are
> >very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at other places).
> >
> >Doug
> 
>  Thanks Doug, good prices!
> What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced Matte?  I
> thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.
> 
> AZ
> Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> http://www.panoramacamera.us
>          or
> keyword.com lookaround
> 
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Jerry,

I thought I read that Enhanced Matte and Archival Matte were the same paper;
that Epson had merely changed the name to avoid being sued for the various
connotations that 'Archival' might have for some. Can someone else confirm
or correct this?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] good paper prices?


> I have never seen enhanced matte. I just ordered a box from Atlex, with
> the specific instructions that under NO circumstances were they to send
> a box of ARCHIVAL matte. I wanted to see the actual difference.
>
> Surprise surprise. They sent a box of ARCHIVAL matte.  I'm returning it.
> THis is the third time they have sent this paper even though I told them
> NOT to.
>
> Jerrry
>
> Alan Zinn wrote:
> >
> > At 09:50 PM 7/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm
> > >
> > >...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There shipping
prices are
> > >very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at other
places).
> > >
> > >Doug
> >
> >  Thanks Doug, good prices!
> > What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced Matte?  I
> > thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.
> >
> > AZ
> > Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> > http://www.panoramacamera.us
> >          or
> > keyword.com lookaround
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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>>What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced Matte?  I
thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.<<

It was my understanding that Epson Archival Matte was changing to the
Enhanced name.  After seeing the Atlex page, I thought this kind of
confirmed it.  Atlex is still shipping Epson Archival Matte even though
their webpage says differently.  I don't know if they updated their site
before they depleted their old stock or if Epson has delayed producing the
new stuff or...?  The specs. for the old and new named papers looked the
same when I compared them from various websites.

Just my $.02,
Doug

In a message dated 7/23/02 1:02:57 PM, bobfrost@... writes:

>I thought I read that Enhanced Matte and Archival Matte were the same paper;
>that Epson had merely changed the name to avoid being sued for the various
>connotations that 'Archival' might have for some. Can someone else confirm
>or correct this?
 
That was what managers at Epson told me ages ago, and I now see the new 
nomenclanture in the more recent printers' drivers, so it appears to be the 
case...

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

Yes, but has anybody on the planet actually seen with their own eyebulbs
a package of letter size enhanced matte paper?  I haven't. Also the
weight is slightly different between the two papers, 190 gsms vs 192
gsms. This would indicate SOME change in the paper, somehow.

Jerry



Bob Frost wrote:

> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I thought I read that Enhanced Matte and Archival Matte were the same paper;
> that Epson had merely changed the name to avoid being sued for the various
> connotations that 'Archival' might have for some. Can someone else confirm
> or correct this?
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] good paper prices?
> 
> > I have never seen enhanced matte. I just ordered a box from Atlex, with
> > the specific instructions that under NO circumstances were they to send
> > a box of ARCHIVAL matte. I wanted to see the actual difference.
> >
> > Surprise surprise. They sent a box of ARCHIVAL matte.  I'm returning it.
> > THis is the third time they have sent this paper even though I told them
> > NOT to.
> >
> > Jerrry
> >
> > Alan Zinn wrote:
> > >
> > > At 09:50 PM 7/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm
> > > >
> > > >...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There shipping
> prices are
> > > >very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at other
> places).
> > > >
> > > >Doug
> > >
> > >  Thanks Doug, good prices!
> > > What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced Matte?  I
> > > thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.
> > >
> > > AZ
> > > Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> > > http://www.panoramacamera.us
> > >          or
> > > keyword.com lookaround
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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enhanced matte weight: 192 gsms
Archival enhanced matte: 190 gsms

Small, but different.

Whats different?

Jerry



Doug Fisher wrote:

> 
> >>What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced Matte?  I
> thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.<<
> 
> It was my understanding that Epson Archival Matte was changing to the
> Enhanced name.  After seeing the Atlex page, I thought this kind of
> confirmed it.  Atlex is still shipping Epson Archival Matte even though
> their webpage says differently.  I don't know if they updated their site
> before they depleted their old stock or if Epson has delayed producing the
> new stuff or...?  The specs. for the old and new named papers looked the
> same when I compared them from various websites.
> 
> Just my $.02,
> Doug
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
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According to the latest Epson distributor price book dated 6/2002 
that I have as a reference, the Enhanced Matte is only available in 
the large format rolls. My distributor also confirms that he has no 
pricing or SKU for Enhanced Matte in smaller sheet sizes.

Looking at Epson's website shows Archival Matte in sheet sizes, and 
Enhanced Matte in rolls.

So, to answer the question below, NO I haven't seen a box of letter 
size Enhanced Matte paper...and, I haven't seen any offical 
literature to suggest that there is such a beast...yet...

The mystery continues...

Gregory Schern
www.inkjetgoodies.com



<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Yes, but has anybody on the planet actually seen with their own 
eyebulbs
> a package of letter size enhanced matte paper?  I haven't. Also the
> weight is slightly different between the two papers, 190 gsms vs 192
> gsms. This would indicate SOME change in the paper, somehow.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Frost wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry,
> > 
> > I thought I read that Enhanced Matte and Archival Matte were the 
same paper;
> > that Epson had merely changed the name to avoid being sued for 
the various
> > connotations that 'Archival' might have for some. Can someone 
else confirm
> > or correct this?
> > 
> > Bob Frost.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] good paper prices?
> > 
> > > I have never seen enhanced matte. I just ordered a box from 
Atlex, with
> > > the specific instructions that under NO circumstances were they 
to send
> > > a box of ARCHIVAL matte. I wanted to see the actual difference.
> > >
> > > Surprise surprise. They sent a box of ARCHIVAL matte.  I'm 
returning it.
> > > THis is the third time they have sent this paper even though I 
told them
> > > NOT to.
> > >
> > > Jerrry
> > >
> > > Alan Zinn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At 09:50 PM 7/22/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > > > >http://www.atlex.com/Epson/paper/archival.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >...has the best prices for EAM that I have found.  There 
shipping
> > prices are
> > > > >very reasonable too (which is usually a big hidden charge at 
other
> > places).
> > > > >
> > > > >Doug
> > > >
> > > >  Thanks Doug, good prices!
> > > > What's the deal on Archival Enhanced Matte and plain Enhanced 
Matte?  I
> > > > thought all EAM was now called Enhanced Matte.
> > > >
> > > > AZ
> > > > Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.
> > > > http://www.panoramacamera.us
> > > >          or
> > > > keyword.com lookaround
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, 
Bookmarks, Polls and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > > >
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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or
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Polls and
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>>enhanced matte weight: 192 gsms
Archival enhanced matte: 190 gsms

Small, but different.

Whats different?<<

Interesting.  I was reading vendor sites and they quoted specs that were the
same (for what the vendors' sites were worth...).  I am sure you probably
had a more reliable source.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "gschern" <gschern@y...> wrote:
> According to the latest Epson distributor price book dated 6/2002 
> that I have as a reference, the Enhanced Matte is only available in 
> the large format rolls. My distributor also confirms that he has no 
> pricing or SKU for Enhanced Matte in smaller sheet sizes.
> 
> Looking at Epson's website shows Archival Matte in sheet sizes, and 
> Enhanced Matte in rolls.
> 
> So, to answer the question below, NO I haven't seen a box of letter 
> size Enhanced Matte paper...and, I haven't seen any offical 
> literature to suggest that there is such a beast...yet...

You can get Enhanced matte in A3+ and A4 sheet sizes here:
http://www.inkjetart.com/pro/enhanced_matte.html