Digital BW, The Print

Paul, how would the enhanced generations black fit in here?

Jerry

> The super inkset, in my view, would be the PT midtones with the MIS FS
> black.
>

Richard,

Sorry for the delayed response, but I've been out of town.

You wrote:

>Saturday, July 27, 2002, 8:50:38 AM, Paul Roark wrote:

>PR> The super inkset, in my view, would be the PT midtones with the MIS FS
>PR> black.

>From reading your charts it seems the MIS FS-N black has less warming
>and fading than the MIS FS black so why not the PT midtones and the
>MIS FS-N black?  Or are the MIS FN black and MIS FS-N blacks the same
>(as I think perhaps I had heard here before?)?

The FS-N, FS, and VM blacks are all the same.  If you compare one test set
with another, there may be differences in results.  The paper makes a big
difference.  Also, however, there may be minor differences from one test
session to another.

>Also, if one sets up a CFS with the PT midtones and the MIS FS (or
>FS-N) black would there need to be any adjustments in the drives and
>curves used? i.e. if I currently use MIS-FS inks with the Piezo driver
>(and sometimes with Epson driver/Randall curves) will I also be able
>to use the same but with the PT midtones inks installed instead of the
>MIS-FS midtones?

I have not directly tried the PT inks, but my impression is that they may
have different densities than the original PiezoBW inks.  At some point I
will probably buy some PT-Selenium cyan and see what it's density is.  If,
as one test strip I've received suggests, it is denser than the original
PiezoBW cyan, I may experiment with diluting it to make it compatible with
the FS and original PiezoBW blacks.

Frankly, I think Cone Editions ought to market a PiezoTone "Museum" series
that uses the original PiezoBW black (which I believe is essentially, if not
exactly, the same as MIS FS/VM black) and the original densities (assuming
the new ones are slightly different -- which is uncertain to me).

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Jerry,

Although I have not tested the new PiezoTone black against the Generations
Enhanced black, the tests of the two in separate sessions with the same
equipment suggest that the Generations black is more stable than the PT
black.  (Gen K is less stable than the MIS FS/VM black. The MIS FS and VM
blacks are the same.)

I suggested some time ago that the Generations black might be an interesting
compromise that someone ought to try if they want a darker black that will
last a while.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com


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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
  Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 9:14 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] PiezoTone-PhotoRag 306 Hr. Fade test


  Paul, how would the enhanced generations black fit in here?

  Jerry

  > The super inkset, in my view, would be the PT midtones with the MIS FS
  > black.
  >



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Monday, August 5, 2002, 7:43:39 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

PR> Richard,

PR> Sorry for the delayed response, but I've been out of town.


Thanks Paul.  I thought you were out of town.  Thanks for going all
the way back and replying!

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...