Digital BW, The Print

Martin,

Right on!!! To my eye, nothing I've seen, yet, beats a well executed silver print on selenium toned Oriental. One of my favs for many years. And, the "color" I generally was trying to reach was as you describe.

Thanks for the memorys...think I'll go wash the Dektol from under my fingernails, now.

Best regards,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From:	Martin Wesley [SMTP:mwesley250@...]
Sent:	Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:08 PM
To:	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	[Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 2200 Wedges

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Density Measurements on 2200 Wedges


> Martin,
>
> When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple
> cast.  I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long enough, it
> could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled the
> prints before they started to turn.
>
> Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look?

Jerry,

I have always toned vigorously to get a deep eggplant color in the shadows
and touch of magenta in the midtones preferably with cool highlight
(Oriental VC was the greatest). Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all
that stuff.

May not be common but I know there are others besides myself.

Martin


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Alan,

Yeah but after all that heavy toner exposure I have difficulty typing and
spelling. Did I really type that subject line? Groan.

I was devastated during the period Oriental went off the market. There was
nothing else that felt right.

The Selenium PiezoTones come closer to scratching that itch than anything
else I have tried with inkjet printing.

Martin Wesley


----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Huntley" <prasepe@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 2200
Wedges


> Martin,
>
> Right on!!! To my eye, nothing I've seen, yet, beats a well executed
silver print on selenium toned Oriental. One of my favs for many years. And,
the "color" I generally was trying to reach was as you describe.
>
> Thanks for the memorys...think I'll go wash the Dektol from under my
fingernails, now.
>
> Best regards,
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Wesley [SMTP:mwesley250@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:08 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 2200
Wedges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Density Measurements on 2200 Wedges
>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple
> > cast.  I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long enough, it
> > could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled the
> > prints before they started to turn.
> >
> > Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look?
>
> Jerry,
>
> I have always toned vigorously to get a deep eggplant color in the shadows
> and touch of magenta in the midtones preferably with cool highlight
> (Oriental VC was the greatest). Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all
> that stuff.
>
> May not be common but I know there are others besides myself.
>
> Martin
>
>
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Yep, on most of my shots I am after the cool whites and the cold blacks 
- very slightly to the deep purple side.  Oriental was wonderful for 
this as was the Zone VI paper. One of the most striking exhibit I 
remember seeing was of nudes toned to a very cold tone. The subject and 
the tone of the prints had a distinct emotional impact. I asked the 
photographer about it and he said the trick he used to get that tone was 
very concentrate selenium toner.

Truman

A. Huntley wrote:

> Martin,
>
> Right on!!! To my eye, nothing I've seen, yet, beats a well executed 
> silver print on selenium toned Oriental. One of my favs for many 
> years. And, the "color" I generally was trying to reach was as you 
> describe.
>
> Thanks for the memorys...think I'll go wash the Dektol from under my 
> fingernails, now.
>
> Best regards,
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:      Martin Wesley [SMTP:mwesley250@...]
> Sent:      Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:08 PM
> To:      DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:      [Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 
> 2200 Wedges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Density Measurements on 2200 Wedges
>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple
> > cast.  I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long enough, it
> > could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled the
> > prints before they started to turn.
> >
> > Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look?
>
> Jerry,
>
> I have always toned vigorously to get a deep eggplant color in the shadows
> and touch of magenta in the midtones preferably with cool highlight
> (Oriental VC was the greatest). Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all
> that stuff.
>
> May not be common but I know there are others besides myself.
>
> Martin
>
>
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Martin,

I don't about that heavy toner exposure, but I do have essence of F-5 and glacial acid in an atomizer for spraying around the room just prior to working on my Mac. It is hard to judge color balance and tonality under that dim yellow glow throughtout the room, though! I, too, was deeply disappointed when Oriental disappeared from the market; as I have been many times when good products are removed due to lack of demand. PanX, and to REALLY date myself, Ilfomar. I wonder if anyone remembers that paper? I agree Piezo ST has a wonderful "color" to it...I just could not eliminate the banding on my 1160. However, based on your recommendation, and others that I've read posted here, I may invest in a 1280 and some PT-ST cartridges and give 'er another run.

Best regards,
Alan

-----Original Message-----
From:	Martin Wesley [SMTP:mwesley250@...]
Sent:	Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:28 PM
To:	DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject:	Re: [Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 2200 Wedges

Alan,

Yeah but after all that heavy toner exposure I have difficulty typing and
spelling. Did I really type that subject line? Groan.

I was devastated during the period Oriental went off the market. There was
nothing else that felt right.

The Selenium PiezoTones come closer to scratching that itch than anything
else I have tried with inkjet printing.

Martin Wesley


----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Huntley" <prasepe@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 2200
Wedges


> Martin,
>
> Right on!!! To my eye, nothing I've seen, yet, beats a well executed
silver print on selenium toned Oriental. One of my favs for many years. And,
the "color" I generally was trying to reach was as you describe.
>
> Thanks for the memorys...think I'll go wash the Dektol from under my
fingernails, now.
>
> Best regards,
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Wesley [SMTP:mwesley250@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 5:08 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] SElenium Tonin was Density Measurements on 2200
Wedges
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Density Measurements on 2200 Wedges
>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > When I was selenium toning darkroom prints, Mine never had a purple
> > cast.  I know that if you leave the papers in the toner long enough, it
> > could go purple, but I only toned for the deeper black, and pulled the
> > prints before they started to turn.
> >
> > Are most photographer's actually WANTING the purple look?
>
> Jerry,
>
> I have always toned vigorously to get a deep eggplant color in the shadows
> and touch of magenta in the midtones preferably with cool highlight
> (Oriental VC was the greatest). Beauty in the eye of the beholder and all
> that stuff.
>
> May not be common but I know there are others besides myself.
>
> Martin
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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