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What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-22 by wangalb

Hi folks,

I ran out 10 black and white prints on my Epson C80 and they turned 
out decent on the Epson regular Glossy paper (not Preminum). However, 
I noticed that it isn't exactly a true black and white print but has 
a color cast (slightly magnetia) to it considering that it used all 4 
colors to recreate the gray tones. The printing specs are impressive 
and the Glossy paper reminds me of a good Duraflex print ;)...

I'm also considering sticking in some Hahnemuhle Photo Rag into my 
Epson C80 but I can't find the profile for it under the options. 
Should I use the Epson Archival Matte standard? I presume that the 
Photo Rag is closest to that?

Anyways, what is the general consensus on the Photo Rag? Is it 
durable and wearproof (like the black inks won't rub off in everyday 
use) or it is more of a paper which needs to be behind glass? I 
assume that Epson Archival Matte is fairly durable and rub-proof if I 
want to make test proofs and definitely exhibition quality prints 
using Cone's inks next year when I get the Epson 1280.

Cool beans. As long as I can figure out to stick Photo Rag into my 
C80 I won't be getting any sleep soon.

Alfie

Re: What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-22 by janishilesh

Alfie,

Epson does not profile any paper other than their own. "Archival 
Matte" setting is probably a good point to start, or even "Photo 
Qulaity Inkjet Paper". My advice - try it once and see where it leads 
you.

Good luck.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "wangalb" 
<leica_phile@h...> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I ran out 10 black and white prints on my Epson C80 and they turned 
> out decent on the Epson regular Glossy paper (not Preminum). 
However, 
> I noticed that it isn't exactly a true black and white print but 
has 
> a color cast (slightly magnetia) to it considering that it used all 
4 
> colors to recreate the gray tones. The printing specs are 
impressive 
> and the Glossy paper reminds me of a good Duraflex print ;)...
> 
> I'm also considering sticking in some Hahnemuhle Photo Rag into my 
> Epson C80 but I can't find the profile for it under the options. 
> Should I use the Epson Archival Matte standard? I presume that the 
> Photo Rag is closest to that?
> 
> Anyways, what is the general consensus on the Photo Rag? Is it 
> durable and wearproof (like the black inks won't rub off in 
everyday 
> use) or it is more of a paper which needs to be behind glass? I 
> assume that Epson Archival Matte is fairly durable and rub-proof if 
I
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> want to make test proofs and definitely exhibition quality prints 
> using Cone's inks next year when I get the Epson 1280.
> 
> Cool beans. As long as I can figure out to stick Photo Rag into my 
> C80 I won't be getting any sleep soon.
> 
> Alfie

Re: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-22 by J Greer

If you are not trying to print with a monochrome image with a color tint, 
try using only black ink with the C80. You may or may not like the results 
but give it a try.

At 06:37 PM 08/22/2002 +0000, you wrote:
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>Hi folks,
>
>I ran out 10 black and white prints on my Epson C80 and they turned
>out decent on the Epson regular Glossy paper (not Preminum). However,
>I noticed that it isn't exactly a true black and white print but has
>a color cast (slightly magnetia) to it considering that it used all 4
>colors to recreate the gray tones. The printing specs are impressive
>and the Glossy paper reminds me of a good Duraflex print ;)...
>
>I'm also considering sticking in some Hahnemuhle Photo Rag into my
>Epson C80 but I can't find the profile for it under the options.
>Should I use the Epson Archival Matte standard? I presume that the
>Photo Rag is closest to that?
>
>Anyways, what is the general consensus on the Photo Rag? Is it
>durable and wearproof (like the black inks won't rub off in everyday
>use) or it is more of a paper which needs to be behind glass? I
>assume that Epson Archival Matte is fairly durable and rub-proof if I
>want to make test proofs and definitely exhibition quality prints
>using Cone's inks next year when I get the Epson 1280.
>
>Cool beans. As long as I can figure out to stick Photo Rag into my
>C80 I won't be getting any sleep soon.
>
>Alfie
>
>
>
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RE: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-23 by Karl Wolz

Alfie,
 
If you printed with the glossy paper setting, you actually only used
three inks on the C80.  The black ink does not adhere well to the gloss
stock, and consequently, it is bypassed on the glossy setting.  If you
set the printer to matt, you will be using all 4 inks, but if you don't
spray the print, the black will then rub off.
 
Karl Wolz
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-----Original Message-----
From: wangalb [mailto:leica_phile@...] 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 11:38 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo
Rag in the Epson C80?
 
Hi folks,

I ran out 10 black and white prints on my Epson C80 and they turned 
out decent on the Epson regular Glossy paper (not Preminum). However, 
I noticed that it isn't exactly a true black and white print but has 
a color cast (slightly magnetia) to it considering that it used all 4 
colors to recreate the gray tones. The printing specs are impressive 
and the Glossy paper reminds me of a good Duraflex print ;)...

I'm also considering sticking in some Hahnemuhle Photo Rag into my 
Epson C80 but I can't find the profile for it under the options. 
Should I use the Epson Archival Matte standard? I presume that the 
Photo Rag is closest to that?

Anyways, what is the general consensus on the Photo Rag? Is it 
durable and wearproof (like the black inks won't rub off in everyday 
use) or it is more of a paper which needs to be behind glass? I 
assume that Epson Archival Matte is fairly durable and rub-proof if I 
want to make test proofs and definitely exhibition quality prints 
using Cone's inks next year when I get the Epson 1280.

Cool beans. As long as I can figure out to stick Photo Rag into my 
C80 I won't be getting any sleep soon.

Alfie





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Re: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-23 by wangalb

Hi Karl,

I presume that with both Heavyweight Matte and Archival Matte and H. 
Photo Rag that the black will rub off if I am not planning to stick 
the print under glass or spray with the protective coating layer?

Any tips on an even spraying on the matte paper for protection?

thanks,
Alfie

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Karl Wolz" 
<wolzphoto@w...> wrote:
> Alfie,
>  
> If you printed with the glossy paper setting, you actually only used
> three inks on the C80.  The black ink does not adhere well to the 
gloss
> stock, and consequently, it is bypassed on the glossy setting.  If 
you
> set the printer to matt, you will be using all 4 inks, but if you 
don't
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> spray the print, the black will then rub off.
>  
> Karl Wolz

RE: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-23 by Karl Wolz

Alfie,

If you take a look at this site 
http://www.inkjetart.com/c80/better_blacks.html
you'll find some good info on using your C80, including the following:

Sealing Your Prints 

If you take a soft cotton cloth or a cotton ball you can actually buff
away the non-encapsulated black ink right off your Premium gloss prints!
In order for these prints to be durable, they must be laminated or top
coated with a glossy spray. The Lyson Print Guard spray is not
recommended for glossy prints if you want to maintain a high gloss look.
The Bulldog Ultra "Gloss" spray will give you excellent protection and a
high gloss finish, but we have noticed that it dissolves a small
percentage of the yellow pigment ink and causes it to migrate. We have
tried several Krylon clear sprays (i.e. their Crystal Clear acrylic
coating and their Kamar Varnish). Our best success has been with
Krylon's "Low Odor Clear Gloss" finish #7110. This product is a clear
latex enamel, costing about $4.00 per 11 oz. aerosol can. We found the
best results with this product came when we quickly applied a few light
coats (varying the spray pattern between coats) to "set" the print, let
dry for 5 to 10 minutes, then applied a very wet and smooth final coat.
This thick coating will immediately go cloudy and somewhat milky, but
will dry clear within a hour or two.

Karl Wolz
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-----Original Message-----
From: wangalb [mailto:leica_phile@...] 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 6:40 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle
Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

Hi Karl,

I presume that with both Heavyweight Matte and Archival Matte and H. 
Photo Rag that the black will rub off if I am not planning to stick 
the print under glass or spray with the protective coating layer?

Any tips on an even spraying on the matte paper for protection?

thanks,
Alfie

Re: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-23 by Bob Frost

Karl,

Any info on lamination?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
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From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@...>

> 
> If you take a soft cotton cloth or a cotton ball you can actually buff
> away the non-encapsulated black ink right off your Premium gloss prints!
> In order for these prints to be durable, they must be laminated or top
> coated with a glossy spray.

RE: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag in the Epson C80?

2002-08-23 by Karl Wolz

'Most everything I know, I gleaned from inkjetart's website, and I don't
recall there being any info on lamination other than the recommendation
to do it.
 
You might try dropping them a note.
 
If you're not going to "fool" the printer into using black ink on glossy
stock, there's little reason to laminate or spray, as the ink will
adhere to matt surfaces.  Also, though there is a loss of d-max when
printing CMY, I'm not sure if I like the appearance of the image with
CMYK - it looks kinda surreal, like the black is floating above the
image.  Possibly spraying will reduce that effect.
 
Karl
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Frost [mailto:bobfrost@...] 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 8:39 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] What is the closest profile for Hahnemuhle
Photo Rag in the Epson C80?
 
Karl,

Any info on lamination?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@...>

> 
> If you take a soft cotton cloth or a cotton ball you can actually buff
> away the non-encapsulated black ink right off your Premium gloss
prints!
> In order for these prints to be durable, they must be laminated or top
> coated with a glossy spray. 





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