Digital BW, The Print

This is normally a problem with the print spooler. I was playing around 
with my HP with some of my scanned 4x5's. I desktop which is also a 
server for a local network. I have my laptop on the network when I'm at 
home and my wife's computer is on it also. When I printed at large file 
from the server it would eject. This was true in both Picture Window and 
Photoshop. I contacted HP and was told it is the size of the file that 
has to be spooled. They gave me some fixes but none worked.

I then went to the laptop (I have Picture Window on the laptop) and 
printed it over the network (the printer is hooked to the desk top). No 
problem. I think printing this large a file requires a large number of 
system resources and the desktop because of what else it is doing 
doesn't have the necessary resources ( a big MS problem - wouldn't be a 
problem in Unix ). The laptop is not tied up doing other things so has 
more resources available.

So you might want to check out your system configuration and see if you 
can tune it.

Truman

kd7mw wrote:

> I'm having a problem with Hextone B&W printing with my Epson 1280. 
> I'm using Picture Window Pro 3.1h.  PWP supports the Roarke .ACV
> correction curves.
>
> I follow the workflow, which is to convert the 8-bit greyscale file
> to 24-bit color, apply one of Paul Roarke's color correction curves,
> and print.  The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a few
> stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a linear
> inch or two of printing on it.  What's on the page looks fine.  I
> then have to halt printing in the driver, which is stuck at the point
> where the page halted.  I've also gotten a red circle with a slash
> through it showing on the Epson driver window where it shows an
> animated page going through the printer.
>
> I've tried this with two different greyscale files and two or three
> different curves, and I get the same result.
>
> I had this problem once previously, when I took someone's advice and
> converted a greyscale file to 24-bit color, and tried to print it
> with black ink only.  I've never had the problem with color images.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --Peter Klein
> Seattle, WA
>
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Peter,

Do you check the "Print Preview" box on the "Main" tab in the "Printer
Preferences" box? A preview will tell you if all of the image is being sent
to the spooler.

If the image is truncated then in  the "Printer Preferences" box under the
"Utility" tab click the "Speed & Progress" button then check the "Always
spool RAW datatype". This has eliminated a similar problem for me.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----

From: "kd7mw" <pklein@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 1:18 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Premature page eject with B&W printing


> I'm having a problem with Hextone B&W printing with my Epson 1280.
> I'm using Picture Window Pro 3.1h.  PWP supports the Roarke .ACV
> correction curves.
>
> I follow the workflow, which is to convert the 8-bit greyscale file
> to 24-bit color, apply one of Paul Roarke's color correction curves,
> and print.  The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a few
> stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a linear
> inch or two of printing on it.  What's on the page looks fine.  I
> then have to halt printing in the driver, which is stuck at the point
> where the page halted.  I've also gotten a red circle with a slash
> through it showing on the Epson driver window where it shows an
> animated page going through the printer.
>
> I've tried this with two different greyscale files and two or three
> different curves, and I get the same result.
>
> I had this problem once previously, when I took someone's advice and
> converted a greyscale file to 24-bit color, and tried to print it
> with black ink only.  I've never had the problem with color images.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --Peter Klein
> Seattle, WA
>

I hate it when that happens.

>>The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth 
rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a few 
stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a linear 
inch or two of printing on it.<<


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I know of one reason it does this, Are you sure you have enough memory? 
Other than that, I don't know.

Jer

Ken Carney wrote:

> 
> I hate it when that happens.
> 
> >>The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a few
> stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a linear
> inch or two of printing on it.<<
> 
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Howdy Jer (and All..!),

I have a similar problem with my 2000p from a Mac G4... after 4 or 5 
13x19 prints, print quality either goes to hell, or the page 
continues through the printer, getting no ink but for the initial 
inch or so that fades to nothing...

a head cleaning usually fixes it, but the inconvenience sucks!

if it's a memory problem, do you mean more ram in general or just 
more devoted to the epson driver..?

Tom

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> I know of one reason it does this, Are you sure you have enough 
memory? 
> Other than that, I don't know.
> 
> Jer
> 
> Ken Carney wrote:
> > 
> > I hate it when that happens.
> > 
> > >>The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> > rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a few
> > stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a 
linear
> > inch or two of printing on it.<<
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Hi Tom,

Both.   

How much RAM have you on your computer?  I have  a GIG and it is not too much.

I give Photoshop 750,000 Megabytes

I have increased the epson monitor 3 application by 3 times the
recommended amount.

This is only one reason why this could be happening, especially if you
are really short on memory. Memory is unbelieveably cheap right now, go
get some!

However, I can't see memory problems causing print quality decline. And
you wouldn't think that cleaning it would have anything to do with it
spitting out the print before it was finished. And how could you get
total clogging so fast?  

However, as a last resort, this usually works for cleaning:  Squirt
about 5ml ammonia/water solution (1:9) directly into the nipples of the
print head.  Do a few cleanings and see if it does the trick. It may
take 2 or 3 times to get all the clogged up ink dissolved, it took 2
applications for me, but it DID work.


jerry

pouty_bob wrote:

> 
> Howdy Jer (and All..!),
> 
> I have a similar problem with my 2000p from a Mac G4... after 4 or 5
> 13x19 prints, print quality either goes to hell, or the page
> continues through the printer, getting no ink but for the initial
> inch or so that fades to nothing...
> 
> a head cleaning usually fixes it, but the inconvenience sucks!
> 
> if it's a memory problem, do you mean more ram in general or just
> more devoted to the epson driver..?
> 
> Tom
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > I know of one reason it does this, Are you sure you have enough
> memory?
> > Other than that, I don't know.
> >
> > Jer
> >
> > Ken Carney wrote:
> > >
> > > I hate it when that happens.
> > >
> > > >>The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> > > rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a few
> > > stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a
> linear
> > > inch or two of printing on it.<<
> > >
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> > >
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Well, folks, it turned out that my nearly 900 meg fixed swap file 
(1.5x 576 megs memory) wasn't enough.  I've changed to a windows-
managed dynamic swap file on my D: drive, and all is well.  I like a 
fixed swap file because it can make the machine faster.  But I'm not 
going to argue with success, and I'd rather not waste lots of ink and 
paper figuring out an exact setting.

I also put Picture Window Pro's temp files onto my D: drive.

Since there is quite a bit of disk activity while printing, so I 
suspect it was the swap file. 

Thanks to everyone for their help!

--Peter

Howdy Jerry,

I have 768Megs of ram (and it's a 3-year-old G4) but only 200 of it 
allocated to photoshop. I'll try that increase as well as tripling 
the driver's amount.

it doesn't spit the print out early, it keeps on going, just no ink 
flow after the first inch or so..!

at first I thought the large prints were consuming loads of ink, and 
I really could only get 5 Super A3s from the cartridge. but it has 
happened twice right after fresh ink was installed. and not to bring 
superstition into the mix, but my 13th print took four tries!!! 

and there was a strange connection to my success with a game I was 
playing on my pc while waiting... during those first four print 
attempts, I lost very quickly, but when I started out strong on the 
fifth game, I noticed the print coming nicely through the printer!!!
probably coincidence, but that's what I noticed...

now that's a-dot-iotic!!!

Tom


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> 
> Both.   
> 
> How much RAM have you on your computer?  I have  a GIG and it is 
not too much.
> 
> I give Photoshop 750,000 Megabytes
> 
> I have increased the epson monitor 3 application by 3 times the
> recommended amount.
> 
> This is only one reason why this could be happening, especially if 
you
> are really short on memory. Memory is unbelieveably cheap right 
now, go
> get some!
> 
> However, I can't see memory problems causing print quality decline. 
And
> you wouldn't think that cleaning it would have anything to do with 
it
> spitting out the print before it was finished. And how could you get
> total clogging so fast?  
> 
> However, as a last resort, this usually works for cleaning:  Squirt
> about 5ml ammonia/water solution (1:9) directly into the nipples of 
the
> print head.  Do a few cleanings and see if it does the trick. It may
> take 2 or 3 times to get all the clogged up ink dissolved, it took 2
> applications for me, but it DID work.
> 
> 
> jerry
> 
> pouty_bob wrote:
> > 
> > Howdy Jer (and All..!),
> > 
> > I have a similar problem with my 2000p from a Mac G4... after 4 
or 5
> > 13x19 prints, print quality either goes to hell, or the page
> > continues through the printer, getting no ink but for the initial
> > inch or so that fades to nothing...
> > 
> > a head cleaning usually fixes it, but the inconvenience sucks!
> > 
> > if it's a memory problem, do you mean more ram in general or just
> > more devoted to the epson driver..?
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > I know of one reason it does this, Are you sure you have enough
> > memory?
> > > Other than that, I don't know.
> > >
> > > Jer
> > >
> > > Ken Carney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hate it when that happens.
> > > >
> > > > >>The printer starts normally, but the back-and-forth
> > > > rhythm of the print heads gets gradually slower, there are a 
few
> > > > stops and starts, and then the page ejects with only about a
> > linear
> > > > inch or two of printing on it.<<
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> > Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The 
page
> > is at:
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Hi Bob,

Well, if anything, you should notice a marked improvement with
photoshops speed at doing everyday tasks! Can't understand how you could
be getting clogs so fast, especially all inks at the same time.
Hopefully, somebody else who has experienced the problem will be able to
chime in here.

Jerry

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:


I have the same problem in windows XP, also with 1 GB RAM - prints 
often spit out after a couple of inches.

How do you change the RAM allocation to the Epson driver in Windows???

Thanks

Steve.




> Hi Bob,
> 
> Well, if anything, you should notice a marked improvement with
> photoshops speed at doing everyday tasks! Can't understand how you 
could
> be getting clogs so fast, especially all inks at the same time.
> Hopefully, somebody else who has experienced the problem will be 
able to

> chime in here.
> 
> Jerry