Digital BW, The Print

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----- Original Message -----
From: "treadwinkle" <VOLveeta@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Is anyone REALLY thrilled? Honestly?


I'm shooting actor headshots.  I've got a Canon d60, Epson 1280,
piezotone warm neutrals and... eh!  I'm waiting for "the paper" to
arrive because thusfar, with the Epson Archival Matte, the results
are just plain unacceptable.  The Hahnem\ufffdhle Photo rag is on
backorder, and I don't know if IT will satisfy whenever I finally
ACTUALLY see the stuff.  It's such a crapshoot, I'm this close to
returning to the darkroom.  Does the right paper REALLY exist?

Is anyone out there SO happy with their digital b&w production that
will PLEASE ease my fears that I've dived into a technology that
really hasn't gotten there yet?  Help me!!!  Is it possible to find
b&w satisfaction in the digital world?  Can real b&w be achieved?

I'm at a point where I just want someone to say, "try this paper
with that particular ink and printer and you'll get very good
results".  Because so far, well... I'm tired of wasting money.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Treadwinkle



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I think film is and a good scanner is the key. Expose for the shadows 
and develop for the highlights. There is no counterpart for this with a 
digital camera. First most digital cameras have a max of 12 (some of the 
medium format digital backs have 16 ) bits dynamic range and there are 
no provisions for compressing the curve prior the data capture. In any 
digital system you normally lose 1.5 to 2 bits worth of dynamic range. 
With film you have options of  exposure and developer combinations to 
capture a much greater dynamic range in the image and then fit it into 
the dynamic range of the film. There are scenes that cannot be shot with 
a digital camera without either dumping shadows detail or saturating 
highlights.

If either end of the digital technology is "not there yet" I'd say it's 
the camera end.

Truman

bgs wrote:

> film
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "treadwinkle" <VOLveeta@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:12 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Is anyone REALLY thrilled? Honestly?
>
>
> I'm shooting actor headshots.  I've got a Canon d60, Epson 1280,
> piezotone warm neutrals and... eh!  I'm waiting for "the paper" to
> arrive because thusfar, with the Epson Archival Matte, the results
> are just plain unacceptable.  The Hahnemühle Photo rag is on
> backorder, and I don't know if IT will satisfy whenever I finally
> ACTUALLY see the stuff.  It's such a crapshoot, I'm this close to
> returning to the darkroom.  Does the right paper REALLY exist?
>
> Is anyone out there SO happy with their digital b&w production that
> will PLEASE ease my fears that I've dived into a technology that
> really hasn't gotten there yet?  Help me!!!  Is it possible to find
> b&w satisfaction in the digital world?  Can real b&w be achieved?
>
> I'm at a point where I just want someone to say, "try this paper
> with that particular ink and printer and you'll get very good
> results".  Because so far, well... I'm tired of wasting money.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts.
>
> Treadwinkle
>
>
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