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Randall workflow

2002-09-05 by Julian Thomas

Could someone give me a pointer to the Randall workflow?? Since fitting new
heads to my 1160 I'm getting banding through the Piezo driver - now mostly
cured, but not as good as through the Epson driver. Weird thing is it almost
looks perfect when the inks have dried - but I'd like to try something new.

Julian
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-05 by Richard Sintchak

Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 11:57:24 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

JT> Could someone give me a pointer to the Randall workflow?? Since fitting new
JT> heads to my 1160 I'm getting banding through the Piezo driver - now mostly
JT> cured, but not as good as through the Epson driver. Weird thing is it almost
JT> looks perfect when the inks have dried - but I'd like to try something new.

JT> Julian

Hi Julian,

It's on this page:

<http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/workflow.html>

located in the third paragraph under this header:

"Full Spectrum Quadtone (4 Ink) Workflow for Epson 1160, 3000 & 980 -
by John Woolf, and others."

Best regards,
 Richard  

mailto:richard@...

Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-05 by Julian Thomas

Thanks Richard.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Sintchak" <richard@...>
To: "Julian Thomas" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 11:57:24 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:
>
> JT> Could someone give me a pointer to the Randall workflow?? Since
fitting new
> JT> heads to my 1160 I'm getting banding through the Piezo driver - now
mostly
> JT> cured, but not as good as through the Epson driver. Weird thing is it
almost
> JT> looks perfect when the inks have dried - but I'd like to try something
new.
>
> JT> Julian
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> It's on this page:
>
> <http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/workflow.html>
>
> located in the third paragraph under this header:
>
> "Full Spectrum Quadtone (4 Ink) Workflow for Epson 1160, 3000 & 980 -
> by John Woolf, and others."
>
> Best regards,
>  Richard
>
> mailto:richard@...
>
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-05 by jrandall1149

It is also posted here in Files>Ink Sets>MIS>MIS FS, 1160 Partitioned 
Workflow.  The file profile_make2.pdf at the bottom of the MIS FS 
page outlines how the workflow was created and might be useful to you 
if you want to tweak the curves to optimize for your images.

Jeff Randall

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas" 
<julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> Thanks Richard.
> 
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Sintchak" <richard@c...>
> To: "Julian Thomas" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
> 
> 
> > Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 11:57:24 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:
> >
> > JT> Could someone give me a pointer to the Randall workflow?? 
Since
> fitting new
> > JT> heads to my 1160 I'm getting banding through the Piezo 
driver - now
> mostly
> > JT> cured, but not as good as through the Epson driver. Weird 
thing is it
> almost
> > JT> looks perfect when the inks have dried - but I'd like to try 
something
> new.
> >
> > JT> Julian
> >
> > Hi Julian,
> >
> > It's on this page:
> >
> > <http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/workflow.html>
> >
> > located in the third paragraph under this header:
> >
> > "Full Spectrum Quadtone (4 Ink) Workflow for Epson 1160, 3000 & 
980 -
> > by John Woolf, and others."
> >
> > Best regards,
> >  Richard
> >
> > mailto:richard@c...
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-05 by Julian Thomas

Thanks Jeff - I've been playing all morning! I'm not getting the banding I
was with the piezo driver ( new heads, hah!), but I've not got the tonal
match yet,t but it is close! Certainly an option for those who have an 1160
that bands with the piezo plugin - although the more I work on the heads the
smoother it is getting.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "jrandall1149" <jrandall@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> It is also posted here in Files>Ink Sets>MIS>MIS FS, 1160 Partitioned
> Workflow.  The file profile_make2.pdf at the bottom of the MIS FS
> page outlines how the workflow was created and might be useful to you
> if you want to tweak the curves to optimize for your images.
>
> Jeff Randall
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Julian Thomas"
> <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > Thanks Richard.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Sintchak" <richard@c...>
> > To: "Julian Thomas" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
> >
> >
> > > Wednesday, September 4, 2002, 11:57:24 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > JT> Could someone give me a pointer to the Randall workflow??
> Since
> > fitting new
> > > JT> heads to my 1160 I'm getting banding through the Piezo
> driver - now
> > mostly
> > > JT> cured, but not as good as through the Epson driver. Weird
> thing is it
> > almost
> > > JT> looks perfect when the inks have dried - but I'd like to try
> something
> > new.
> > >
> > > JT> Julian
> > >
> > > Hi Julian,
> > >
> > > It's on this page:
> > >
> > > <http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?source=html/workflow.html>
> > >
> > > located in the third paragraph under this header:
> > >
> > > "Full Spectrum Quadtone (4 Ink) Workflow for Epson 1160, 3000 &
> 980 -
> > > by John Woolf, and others."
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >  Richard
> > >
> > > mailto:richard@c...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Tony Terlecki

On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:05:55PM +0200, Julian Thomas wrote:
> Thanks Jeff - I've been playing all morning! I'm not getting the banding I
> was with the piezo driver ( new heads, hah!), but I've not got the tonal
> match yet,t but it is close! Certainly an option for those who have an 1160
> that bands with the piezo plugin - although the more I work on the heads the
> smoother it is getting.
> 

Julian,

Which tricks are working to help get the new heads bedded in?

I've just discovered that by completely removing the plastic parts that
held the pizza wheels on my 1160 (rather than leaving them in with the two
outermost wheels intact) that I've helped some banding which was occurring
about 1 inch into the print. I think that the gearing which is supposed to
move these wheels in synch with the main paper trasnsport must be slightly 
out causing some conflicting movement of the paper as it was being advanced.

Hasn't improved enough for me to start using the Piezo driver yet but I'm 
sure there are yet more tricks to try!

-- 
Tony Terlecki
ajt@...

Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Julian Thomas

What I've got isn't feeding type banding as it is a regular 'weave' pattern
with small microbanding under a loupe. The usual windex tricks helped and
after drydown it is almost smooth with the piezo driver - just not as smooth
as it was. I've tweaked the Randall curves to get a better fit for my
printer (only on EAM at the moment) and I'm getting good results. If I'm
being ultra picky I'd say I'm loosing some details in the transition from
shadow to midtones on prints, but  step wedge is pretty close - but I'm
measuring by scanning and then using t PS -  not measuring off the paper.
Still I'm quite intersted in messing with curves now! Got a hole load of
CMYK stuff to read too.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Terlecki" <ajt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:05:55PM +0200, Julian Thomas wrote:
> > Thanks Jeff - I've been playing all morning! I'm not getting the banding
I
> > was with the piezo driver ( new heads, hah!), but I've not got the tonal
> > match yet,t but it is close! Certainly an option for those who have an
1160
> > that bands with the piezo plugin - although the more I work on the heads
the
> > smoother it is getting.
> >
>
> Julian,
>
> Which tricks are working to help get the new heads bedded in?
>
> I've just discovered that by completely removing the plastic parts that
> held the pizza wheels on my 1160 (rather than leaving them in with the two
> outermost wheels intact) that I've helped some banding which was occurring
> about 1 inch into the print. I think that the gearing which is supposed to
> move these wheels in synch with the main paper trasnsport must be slightly
> out causing some conflicting movement of the paper as it was being
advanced.
>
> Hasn't improved enough for me to start using the Piezo driver yet but I'm
> sure there are yet more tricks to try!
>
> --
> Tony Terlecki
> ajt@...
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Martin Wesley

Julian,

Just a thought. On my 1280's I am finding that I can minimize or get rid of
this type of what shall we call it, loupe level banding, linear artifacts,
by trying different image resolutions in the files sent to the printer. In
the end we may be doomed to live with this to some degree. If you really can
only see it with a loupe should you be worrying about it? Ultra picky has a
point of diminishing returns. I know. I'm an expert at driving myself crazy.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> What I've got isn't feeding type banding as it is a regular 'weave'
pattern
> with small microbanding under a loupe. The usual windex tricks helped and
> after drydown it is almost smooth with the piezo driver - just not as
smooth
> as it was. I've tweaked the Randall curves to get a better fit for my
> printer (only on EAM at the moment) and I'm getting good results. If I'm
> being ultra picky I'd say I'm loosing some details in the transition from
> shadow to midtones on prints, but  step wedge is pretty close - but I'm
> measuring by scanning and then using t PS -  not measuring off the paper.
> Still I'm quite intersted in messing with curves now! Got a hole load of
> CMYK stuff to read too.
>
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Terlecki" <ajt@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
>
>
> > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:05:55PM +0200, Julian Thomas wrote:
> > > Thanks Jeff - I've been playing all morning! I'm not getting the
banding
> I
> > > was with the piezo driver ( new heads, hah!), but I've not got the
tonal
> > > match yet,t but it is close! Certainly an option for those who have an
> 1160
> > > that bands with the piezo plugin - although the more I work on the
heads
> the
> > > smoother it is getting.
> > >
> >
> > Julian,
> >
> > Which tricks are working to help get the new heads bedded in?
> >
> > I've just discovered that by completely removing the plastic parts that
> > held the pizza wheels on my 1160 (rather than leaving them in with the
two
> > outermost wheels intact) that I've helped some banding which was
occurring
> > about 1 inch into the print. I think that the gearing which is supposed
to
> > move these wheels in synch with the main paper trasnsport must be
slightly
> > out causing some conflicting movement of the paper as it was being
> advanced.
> >
> > Hasn't improved enough for me to start using the Piezo driver yet but
I'm
> > sure there are yet more tricks to try!
> >
> > --
> > Tony Terlecki
> > ajt@...
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Julian Thomas

The microweave look diminishes on dry down leaving the impression of a
rougher texture than with my old heads. With my tweaked Randall workflow I'm
getting smoother textures, I'm just not quite there yet with subtle details
on the step wedge transitions. I'm trying to nail Tyler's 1% degree Z test
which is a 'bastard' but the ultimate I think! I'll admit to cheating by
doing a 'almost there' tweak in RGB and then trying to fine tune it under
softproof as an action first.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> Julian,
>
> Just a thought. On my 1280's I am finding that I can minimize or get rid
of
> this type of what shall we call it, loupe level banding, linear artifacts,
> by trying different image resolutions in the files sent to the printer. In
> the end we may be doomed to live with this to some degree. If you really
can
> only see it with a loupe should you be worrying about it? Ultra picky has
a
> point of diminishing returns. I know. I'm an expert at driving myself
crazy.
>
> Martin Wesley
>
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
>
>
> > What I've got isn't feeding type banding as it is a regular 'weave'
> pattern
> > with small microbanding under a loupe. The usual windex tricks helped
and
> > after drydown it is almost smooth with the piezo driver - just not as
> smooth
> > as it was. I've tweaked the Randall curves to get a better fit for my
> > printer (only on EAM at the moment) and I'm getting good results. If I'm
> > being ultra picky I'd say I'm loosing some details in the transition
from
> > shadow to midtones on prints, but  step wedge is pretty close - but I'm
> > measuring by scanning and then using t PS -  not measuring off the
paper.
> > Still I'm quite intersted in messing with curves now! Got a hole load of
> > CMYK stuff to read too.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Terlecki" <ajt@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:05:55PM +0200, Julian Thomas wrote:
> > > > Thanks Jeff - I've been playing all morning! I'm not getting the
> banding
> > I
> > > > was with the piezo driver ( new heads, hah!), but I've not got the
> tonal
> > > > match yet,t but it is close! Certainly an option for those who have
an
> > 1160
> > > > that bands with the piezo plugin - although the more I work on the
> heads
> > the
> > > > smoother it is getting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Julian,
> > >
> > > Which tricks are working to help get the new heads bedded in?
> > >
> > > I've just discovered that by completely removing the plastic parts
that
> > > held the pizza wheels on my 1160 (rather than leaving them in with the
> two
> > > outermost wheels intact) that I've helped some banding which was
> occurring
> > > about 1 inch into the print. I think that the gearing which is
supposed
> to
> > > move these wheels in synch with the main paper trasnsport must be
> slightly
> > > out causing some conflicting movement of the paper as it was being
> > advanced.
> > >
> > > Hasn't improved enough for me to start using the Piezo driver yet but
> I'm
> > > sure there are yet more tricks to try!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tony Terlecki
> > > ajt@...
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
and
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Julian Thomas

Forgot to ask - any update on IP??

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> Julian,
>
> Just a thought. On my 1280's I am finding that I can minimize or get rid
of
> this type of what shall we call it, loupe level banding, linear artifacts,
> by trying different image resolutions in the files sent to the printer. In
> the end we may be doomed to live with this to some degree. If you really
can
> only see it with a loupe should you be worrying about it? Ultra picky has
a
> point of diminishing returns. I know. I'm an expert at driving myself
crazy.
>
> Martin Wesley
>
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
>
>
> > What I've got isn't feeding type banding as it is a regular 'weave'
> pattern
> > with small microbanding under a loupe. The usual windex tricks helped
and
> > after drydown it is almost smooth with the piezo driver - just not as
> smooth
> > as it was. I've tweaked the Randall curves to get a better fit for my
> > printer (only on EAM at the moment) and I'm getting good results. If I'm
> > being ultra picky I'd say I'm loosing some details in the transition
from
> > shadow to midtones on prints, but  step wedge is pretty close - but I'm
> > measuring by scanning and then using t PS -  not measuring off the
paper.
> > Still I'm quite intersted in messing with curves now! Got a hole load of
> > CMYK stuff to read too.
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Terlecki" <ajt@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:05:55PM +0200, Julian Thomas wrote:
> > > > Thanks Jeff - I've been playing all morning! I'm not getting the
> banding
> > I
> > > > was with the piezo driver ( new heads, hah!), but I've not got the
> tonal
> > > > match yet,t but it is close! Certainly an option for those who have
an
> > 1160
> > > > that bands with the piezo plugin - although the more I work on the
> heads
> > the
> > > > smoother it is getting.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Julian,
> > >
> > > Which tricks are working to help get the new heads bedded in?
> > >
> > > I've just discovered that by completely removing the plastic parts
that
> > > held the pizza wheels on my 1160 (rather than leaving them in with the
> two
> > > outermost wheels intact) that I've helped some banding which was
> occurring
> > > about 1 inch into the print. I think that the gearing which is
supposed
> to
> > > move these wheels in synch with the main paper trasnsport must be
> slightly
> > > out causing some conflicting movement of the paper as it was being
> > advanced.
> > >
> > > Hasn't improved enough for me to start using the Piezo driver yet but
> I'm
> > > sure there are yet more tricks to try!
> > >
> > > --
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Jerry Olson

If you were to get a perfect tyler Z print, what would it look like? 
What exactly is it supposed to show?

Jerry

Julian Thomas wrote:
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> 
> The microweave look diminishes on dry down leaving the impression of a
> rougher texture than with my old heads. With my tweaked Randall workflow I'm
> getting smoother textures, I'm just not quite there yet with subtle details
> on the step wedge transitions. I'm trying to nail Tyler's 1% degree Z test
> which is a 'bastard' but the ultimate I think! I'll admit to cheating by
> doing a 'almost there' tweak in RGB and then trying to fine tune it under
> softproof as an action first.

Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Julian Thomas

Its a test Tyler made to show 1% tonal movements and within each block is a
Z made of 1% shifts. It shows how good your workflow is!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:04 PM
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> If you were to get a perfect tyler Z print, what would it look like?
> What exactly is it supposed to show?
>
> Jerry
>
> Julian Thomas wrote:
> >
> > The microweave look diminishes on dry down leaving the impression of a
> > rougher texture than with my old heads. With my tweaked Randall workflow
I'm
> > getting smoother textures, I'm just not quite there yet with subtle
details
> > on the step wedge transitions. I'm trying to nail Tyler's 1% degree Z
test
> > which is a 'bastard' but the ultimate I think! I'll admit to cheating by
> > doing a 'almost there' tweak in RGB and then trying to fine tune it
under
> > softproof as an action first.
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Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Martin Wesley

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> Forgot to ask - any update on IP??
>
Julian,

I talked to them and profiles for ink/paper combinations that are not
included are done for free. I sent them test patches for Sel-PT profiles on
EAM, Photo Rag and German Etching a couple of days ago so we will see when
those come back. It may be awhile but I will let you know when I have
anymore info.

Martin

(snip)

Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Julian Thomas

Thanks Martin.

Julian
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:47 PM
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>
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> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 4:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow
>
>
> > Forgot to ask - any update on IP??
> >
> Julian,
>
> I talked to them and profiles for ink/paper combinations that are not
> included are done for free. I sent them test patches for Sel-PT profiles
on
> EAM, Photo Rag and German Etching a couple of days ago so we will see when
> those come back. It may be awhile but I will let you know when I have
> anymore info.
>
> Martin
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Piezotone Seleium Inks/1160

2002-09-06 by Stephen Petegorsky

Has anyone else had problems with PT-Selenium inks in cartridges for the
1160?  After reading the posts about problems with the 1280 carts, I noticed
that a print I made the other day from month-old carts looked quite
different from a print made from the exact same file/printer/paper/cartridge
combination a few weeks ago.  The recent print was noticeable less
"selenium" in its tone; it was more neutral and more towards the blue in its
cast.


Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
web site - www.spphoto.com

Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-06 by Jerry Olson

Julian,

So the More Z's you see the better? How many should you see should one
be lucky enough to get a perfect print?

Thanks... Jerry

Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow

2002-09-07 by Julian Thomas

Well I'm not using the file in the list but one Tyler made to show Austin
how many tones there are in a piezo print so there should be 256 Zs - in the
other file there is one Z per 'box'

Julian
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Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Randall workflow


> Julian,
>
> So the More Z's you see the better? How many should you see should one
> be lucky enough to get a perfect print?
>
> Thanks... Jerry
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Re: Randall workflow

2002-09-07 by a_pettit_jr

Hi Julian,
How can I locate that file ??

Thanks,
Alex

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> how many tones there are in a piezo print so there should be 256 Zs - in the
> other file there is one Z per 'box'
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> Julian
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