Digital BW, The Print

Carolyn,

Thanks for the neat techniques! This does bring up the subject of using
tablets with PS for photo editing. Like most I use a mouse which is often a
real pain when trying to refine masks. I gather that Wacom is still "the
brand" in this technology. What do you recommend in terms of minimum useful
size and any particular model?

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Frayn" <carolynfrayn@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Burning Skies (feathering)


> Rick wrote:
> >> This works fine most of the time but whenever I have open,
> >> evenly illuminated areas, i.e. blank sky, calm water, I get a slight
> >> to horrendous posterization. It's very subtle on the monitor but
>
> Martin wrote:
> > This will give you a gradient spread over a much larger area of the
image.
> > How smooth for your purposes I am not sure but worth a try. (Did I get
that
> > right Carolyn?)
>
> I don't remember.. <gg>. To make smooth transitions now, I do what you're
> suggesting, large - large brushes, they don't give that banding that
> feathering/blurring marque selections are known for.  I would have moved
to
> PS7 for the brush sizes alone.
>
> I usually create a curve adjustment layer, don't do any curve moves (it is
> simply acting as a dup image layer), attach a layer mask,  choose multiply
> blend mode and then with one large or various sized brushes (or wacomb pen
> with variable pressures) paint the the mask to effect the areas of the
image
> you'd like. This gives me the smoothest transition to date. Then adjust
your
> opacity to suit your tastes.
>
> Try two ways, keeping the large brush mostly off canvas, using only the
edge
> for the feather. Switch back to black, and paint inner areas where you
want
> to erase the effect.. you can achieve a very good smooth mask.
>
> Or, with the layer mask filled with white, select black, and paint with
the
> largest brush you can inside the image, with a steady hand follow your
edges
> (or go off the canvas altogether if you're just after the corners), the
edge
> of the brush creates a good rounded smooth transition at the corners
either

> way, no banding.
>
> You can also give the curves a tweak in multiply mode for different
> strengths and effects.
>
> sorry Rick, not much help here for earlier PS's.
> Carolyn
>

http://www.grubba.com/nozzle.jpg

Could someone please look at the linked scan of a nozzle test and see if
you know what is causing this? That stubborn line remains off no matter
what. The printer (a 7000) is theoretically clean and aligned. I'm using
the PiezoBW (or Sundance, or whatever they call it nowadays) inks. I've
been using this for over a year and never had a problem before.

TIA,

gus

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:09:40PM -0700, Martin Wesley wrote:
> Carolyn,
> 
> Thanks for the neat techniques! This does bring up the subject of using
> tablets with PS for photo editing. Like most I use a mouse which is often a
> real pain when trying to refine masks. I gather that Wacom is still "the
> brand" in this technology. What do you recommend in terms of minimum useful
> size and any particular model?
> 

Martin,

You MUST get a tablet. Life changed so much in Photoshop after I get mine.
The pressure sensitivity that can be applied to brushes, etc. for size and
opacity are brilliant when fine tuning masks in quickmask mode. There are
tons of other benefits - the example given is justification alone for a
purchase IMO.

The one I use is the Wacom Intuos 2. I have the A5 size (I'm sure there is an
approximate US equivalent size) which is a nice compromise. Much bigger and
it wouldn't fit on my desk and would require larger movements than I really
need for photographic work. I believe my model has better pressure
sensitivity than the cheaper models. The programmable buttons at the top I
find useful for associating with some common actions that I use. I actually
find that the mouse is rarely used now in any applications - I just prefer
the tablet and stylus for navigating about.

Just take the plunge - you won't regret it.

Tony.

> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn Frayn" <carolynfrayn@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Burning Skies (feathering)
> 
> 
> > Rick wrote:
> > >> This works fine most of the time but whenever I have open,
> > >> evenly illuminated areas, i.e. blank sky, calm water, I get a slight
> > >> to horrendous posterization. It's very subtle on the monitor but
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > > This will give you a gradient spread over a much larger area of the
> image.
> > > How smooth for your purposes I am not sure but worth a try. (Did I get
> that
> > > right Carolyn?)
> >
> > I don't remember.. <gg>. To make smooth transitions now, I do what you're
> > suggesting, large - large brushes, they don't give that banding that
> > feathering/blurring marque selections are known for.  I would have moved
> to
> > PS7 for the brush sizes alone.
> >
> > I usually create a curve adjustment layer, don't do any curve moves (it is
> > simply acting as a dup image layer), attach a layer mask,  choose multiply
> > blend mode and then with one large or various sized brushes (or wacomb pen
> > with variable pressures) paint the the mask to effect the areas of the
> image
> > you'd like. This gives me the smoothest transition to date. Then adjust
> your
> > opacity to suit your tastes.
> >
> > Try two ways, keeping the large brush mostly off canvas, using only the
> edge
> > for the feather. Switch back to black, and paint inner areas where you
> want
> > to erase the effect.. you can achieve a very good smooth mask.
> >
> > Or, with the layer mask filled with white, select black, and paint with
> the
> > largest brush you can inside the image, with a steady hand follow your
> edges
> > (or go off the canvas altogether if you're just after the corners), the
> edge
> > of the brush creates a good rounded smooth transition at the corners
> either
> > way, no banding.
> >
> > You can also give the curves a tweak in multiply mode for different
> > strengths and effects.
> >
> > sorry Rick, not much help here for earlier PS's.
> > Carolyn
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi Martin,

> Thanks for the neat techniques!
welcome...

>This does bring up the subject of using
> tablets with PS for photo editing. Like most I use a mouse which is often a
> real pain when trying to refine masks.

It's fine for some basic masking, but I prefer the control with my wacomb.
Having the pressure sensitivity is really the best.  You can achieve perfect
transitions from the variance in diameter and opacity of each stroke
applied.

>  I gather that Wacom is still "the
> brand" in this technology.

Yes... I believe so. right now I'm drooling over the Cintiq. (it's an LCD
monitor).

> What do you recommend in terms of minimum useful
> size and any particular model?

I'd go with the Intuos2. The size depends on your use. I use the 9x12 but
not strictly for photography. I would say it depends on the way you work.
For masks and touch up, spotting, cloning etc you may prefer something
smaller. But, if you like more control to maneuver around your image I'd go
9x12 or larger.  You set the prefs the way you like, totally programmable,
it takes into account your own brush strokes, your own stroke sensitivity,
it's great.

I have the older model, used it for years... time to upgrade? hmmm....
cintiq... 

Carolyn

Martin,

I'm probably in the minority but I originally bought a 9x12 Intuos II but,
contrary to popular opinion, I found it too large for my needs. I had
difficulty positioning it on my shallow desktop and when placed on the lap
it tended to be too cumbersome. And I swear that my arm was getting tired
trying to cover so much territory. So I bought the puny 4x5 Intuos II and it
works fine for my needs- basic selections, masking, etc. - and has adequate
sensitivity. I find that I now use the pen for everything instead of a
mouse.

Carolyn,

Thanks for the burning technique. PS7's been sitting sealed in the box on a
shelf for several weeks so I'll load it tonight and give it a whirl.

Rick 


Carolyn,

Thanks for the neat techniques! This does bring up the subject of using
tablets with PS for photo editing. Like most I use a mouse which is often a
real pain when trying to refine masks. I gather that Wacom is still "the
brand" in this technology. What do you recommend in terms of minimum useful
size and any particular model?

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Frayn" <carolynfrayn@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Burning Skies (feathering)


> Rick wrote:
> >> This works fine most of the time but whenever I have open,
> >> evenly illuminated areas, i.e. blank sky, calm water, I get a slight
> >> to horrendous posterization. It's very subtle on the monitor but
>
> Martin wrote:
> > This will give you a gradient spread over a much larger area of the
image.
> > How smooth for your purposes I am not sure but worth a try. (Did I get
that
> > right Carolyn?)
>
> I don't remember.. <gg>. To make smooth transitions now, I do what you're
> suggesting, large - large brushes, they don't give that banding that
> feathering/blurring marque selections are known for.  I would have moved
to
> PS7 for the brush sizes alone.
>
> I usually create a curve adjustment layer, don't do any curve moves (it is
> simply acting as a dup image layer), attach a layer mask,  choose multiply
> blend mode and then with one large or various sized brushes (or wacomb pen
> with variable pressures) paint the the mask to effect the areas of the
image
> you'd like. This gives me the smoothest transition to date. Then adjust
your
> opacity to suit your tastes.
>
> Try two ways, keeping the large brush mostly off canvas, using only the
edge
> for the feather. Switch back to black, and paint inner areas where you
want
> to erase the effect.. you can achieve a very good smooth mask.
>
> Or, with the layer mask filled with white, select black, and paint with
the
> largest brush you can inside the image, with a steady hand follow your
edges
> (or go off the canvas altogether if you're just after the corners), the
edge
> of the brush creates a good rounded smooth transition at the corners
either
> way, no banding.
>
> You can also give the curves a tweak in multiply mode for different
> strengths and effects.
>
> sorry Rick, not much help here for earlier PS's.
> Carolyn
>




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> I'm probably in the minority but I originally bought a 9x12 Intuos II but,
> contrary to popular opinion, I found it too large for my needs. I had
> difficulty positioning it on my shallow desktop and when placed on the lap
> it tended to be too cumbersome. And I swear that my arm was getting tired
> trying to cover so much territory. So I bought the puny 4x5 Intuos II and
it
> works fine for my needs- basic selections, masking, etc. - and has
adequate
> sensitivity. I find that I now use the pen for everything instead of a
> mouse.

Many people feel more comfortable with the 4x5 tablet, as the range of
motion over the tablet area is very close to the range of motion when using
a mouse.

Just my 2 cents............

I have the 6x8 inch Wacom tablet and love it. I purchased it from the 
Apple Store with my new 800 mhz G4.

Jim

Thanks to Carolyn, Moreno, R, Tony, and James, for all the input on the
tablets. Seems to be a pretty good consensus that they are a wonderful tool
and that the Wacom Intuos 2 is the one to buy. The Cintiq looks very nice
but a tad out of my range at the moment. The 9x12 sounds large and the 4x5 a
little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I gather a tablet
runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and forth as
desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have to use the
mouse that comes with the tablet?

How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



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From: "James Downs" <silvergull@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tablets was Burning Skies (feathering)


> Just my 2 cents............
>
> I have the 6x8 inch Wacom tablet and love it. I purchased it from the
> Apple Store with my new 800 mhz G4.
>
> Jim
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The tablet offers a lot of options...air brush, stylus and mouse...it  
is an easy switch and well worth it.  I sometimes even use my logitech  
with the tablet as a pad.
BTW, I have one of the earlier 9x12 tablets that I would be willing to  
sell...it works beautifully with my G3, but I had to get a new one for  
the G4.

On Monday, September 9, 2002, at 10:58 PM, Martin Wesley wrote:

> Thanks to Carolyn, Moreno, R, Tony, and James, for all the input on the
> tablets. Seems to be a pretty good consensus that they are a wonderful  
> tool
> and that the Wacom Intuos 2 is the one to buy. The Cintiq looks very  
> nice
> but a tad out of my range at the moment. The 9x12 sounds large and the  
> 4x5 a
> little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I gather a  
> tablet
> runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and forth as
> desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have to use  
> the
> mouse that comes with the tablet?
>
> How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?
>
> Martin Wesley
>
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tablets was Burning Skies (feathering)
>
>
>> Just my 2 cents............
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>> I have the 6x8 inch Wacom tablet and love it. I purchased it from the
>> Apple Store with my new 800 mhz G4.
>>
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> little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I gather a tablet
> runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and forth as
> desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have to use the
> mouse that comes with the tablet?

Keep your faithful Logitech...
 
> How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?

It's really just a matter of getting used to pen in hand rather than hand
over mouse. Watching the monitor as you draw/write/paint and work while
using a pen is a bit different than with the mouse, and very different from
putting those tools to paper.  (why the Cintiq is so appealing) Once you're
used to it, you'll fly... and your wrist will thank you!  Other than that,
you get accustomed to the pad's functions quickly.

Carolyn

Hallo,

There is a low budget one named "Graphire2".
Anyone?

Bo

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn Frayn 
<carolynfrayn@s...> wrote:
> 
> > little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I 
gather a tablet
> > runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and 
forth as
> > desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have 
to use the
> > mouse that comes with the tablet?
> 
> Keep your faithful Logitech...
>  
> > How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?
> 
> It's really just a matter of getting used to pen in hand rather 
than hand
> over mouse. Watching the monitor as you draw/write/paint and work 
while
> using a pen is a bit different than with the mouse, and very 
different from
> putting those tools to paper.  (why the Cintiq is so appealing) 
Once you're
> used to it, you'll fly... and your wrist will thank you!  Other 
than that,

> you get accustomed to the pad's functions quickly.
> 
> Carolyn

The last couple of days I've been getting some painful RSI-type sensations
in my RH - switched to my tablet and it is capable at least!

J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Frayn" <carolynfrayn@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tablets was Burning Skies (feathering)


>
> > little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I gather a
tablet
> > runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and forth as
> > desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have to use
the
> > mouse that comes with the tablet?
>
> Keep your faithful Logitech...
>
> > How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?
>
> It's really just a matter of getting used to pen in hand rather than hand
> over mouse. Watching the monitor as you draw/write/paint and work while
> using a pen is a bit different than with the mouse, and very different
from
> putting those tools to paper.  (why the Cintiq is so appealing) Once
you're
> used to it, you'll fly... and your wrist will thank you!  Other than that,
> you get accustomed to the pad's functions quickly.
>
> Carolyn
>
>
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> The last couple of days I've been getting some painful RSI-type sensations
> in my RH - switched to my tablet and it is capable at least!
> 
> J

... better than surgery Julian, but aside from all that spotting, you do an
awful lot of typing!  Every little bit helps.

C

> Hallo,
> 
> There is a low budget one named "Graphire2".
> Anyone?
> 
> Bo
> 


The pen is different, and has half the levels of sensitivity, and the tablet
has half the resolution of the Intuos 2. Good for quick photo edits etc, but
for this group, I'd go Intuos 2.

C

The Grahphire isn't as high a resolution as the intuos, and looks a bit
"cheep". Get the intuos, which is great!

Jerry

Carolyn Frayn wrote:

> 
> > Hallo,
> >
> > There is a low budget one named "Graphire2".
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Bo
> >
> 
> The pen is different, and has half the levels of sensitivity, and the tablet
> has half the resolution of the Intuos 2. Good for quick photo edits etc, but
> for this group, I'd go Intuos 2.
> 
> C
> 
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Learning curve: half an hour to an hour. You can use mouse and pen. Both
are ready to use at any time.

Jerry

Martin Wesley wrote:

> 
> Thanks to Carolyn, Moreno, R, Tony, and James, for all the input on the
> tablets. Seems to be a pretty good consensus that they are a wonderful tool
> and that the Wacom Intuos 2 is the one to buy. The Cintiq looks very nice
> but a tad out of my range at the moment. The 9x12 sounds large and the 4x5 a
> little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I gather a tablet
> runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and forth as
> desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have to use the
> mouse that comes with the tablet?
> 
> How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Downs" <silvergull@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tablets was Burning Skies (feathering)
> 
> > Just my 2 cents............
> >
> > I have the 6x8 inch Wacom tablet and love it. I purchased it from the
> > Apple Store with my new 800 mhz G4.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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Hello:

I found the transition to a tablet to be quite intuitive. I use the 
mouse that came with the tablet; however, my Apple mouse will work at 
the sametime. I just use the Wacom mouse when appropriate and the Wacom 
pen otherwise.

Jim

Martin,
 
I have a 6x8 tablet. I just didn't have the desk space to go to a 9x12.
I think 6x8 is a bit cramped when using the mouse. I stopped doing that
because I write left-handed but mouse right-handed. It was a hassle
swapping the tablet from one side of the keyboard to the other. My
solution was to add the Logitech cordless optical mouse. Works great
with the tablet, which now is always to the left while the mouse is
always to the right.
 
Lloyd

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:59 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
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Thanks to Carolyn, Moreno, R, Tony, and James, for all the input on the
tablets. Seems to be a pretty good consensus that they are a wonderful
tool
and that the Wacom Intuos 2 is the one to buy. The Cintiq looks very
nice
but a tad out of my range at the moment. The 9x12 sounds large and the
4x5 a
little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I gather a
tablet
runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and forth as
desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you have to use
the
mouse that comes with the tablet?

How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?

Martin Wesley

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> I have the 6x8 inch Wacom tablet and love it. I purchased it from the
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The graphire is fine and dandy to use, but I imagine you get what you pay
for (re: intuos). They are pretty cheap, so might do for an introductory
tablet, to see how much one would be used (before splashing out on the best
one). I don't use mine all the time, but its really handy for free-handy
type things, where precision isn't an absolute necessity (It isn't a
draftsmans tool, put it that way), and as with any tablet, the pressure
sensitivity is very liberating. Is the intuos one that can detect the pen
angle? the graphire can't, and thats something I'd really like (pressure =
ink opacity, angle = brush sharpness/size would be ideal). The mouse that
comes with it really is terrible. The pen is fine, but I find I sometimes
end up pressing the button on the barrel when I'm using it. The best bit?
The way it switches to the eraser tool when you use the other end of the
pen. Maybe I'm easily pleased...


sandy @ www.euphy.co.uk

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From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Tablets was Burning Skies (feathering)


> The Grahphire isn't as high a resolution as the intuos, and looks a bit
> "cheep". Get the intuos, which is great!
>
> Jerry
>
> Carolyn Frayn wrote:
> >
> > > Hallo,
> > >
> > > There is a low budget one named "Graphire2".
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > > Bo
> >

--- Euphy <euphy@...> wrote:
> 
> The graphire is fine and dandy to use, but I
> imagine you get what you pay
> for (re: intuos). They are pretty cheap, so
> might do for an introductory
> tablet, to see how much one would be used
> (before splashing out on the best
> one). 


For the $89 that I spent, the graphire tablet is
a good tool. It may not have all of the features
and size of the Intuos, but when the alternative
for me is no tablet at all, I am happy. 


Don Eby

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Carolyn writes:

> ... better than surgery Julian, but aside
> from all that spotting, you do an awful lot
> of typing!  Every little bit helps.

For those who do a lot of typing, a Microsoft Natural Keyboard or the
equivalent (i.e., any keyboard that slightly splits the key area into two
zones at a shallow angle to each other, without any other changes) can
prevent RSI and relieve pain.  I've had no trouble since switching to such a
keyboard several years ago, and I type a _lot_.  The advantage to this type
of keyboard is that it does not require you to turn your hands at the wrists
to align them with the keyboard, and that makes all the difference.  At the
same time, the design is not so radical that you have to relearn anything if
you touch type, and you can still switch between this type of keyboard and a
standard keyboard as required.

Don writes:

> For the $89 that I spent, the graphire tablet
> is a good tool. It may not have all of the
> features and size of the Intuos, but when the
> alternative for me is no tablet at all, I am happy.

Even the cheapest tablet will give you a 1000% increase in productivity over
a mouse with any graphics or photo editing program, so it's always a good
investment.  The Intuos is nice when budget permits.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Thanks to Carolyn, Moreno, R, Tony, and James, for all the 
input on the
> tablets. Seems to be a pretty good consensus that they are a 
wonderful tool
> and that the Wacom Intuos 2 is the one to buy. The Cintiq looks 
very nice
> but a tad out of my range at the moment. The 9x12 sounds 
large and the 4x5 a
> little small so the 6x8 might be a good compromise for me. I 
gather a tablet
> runs in parallel with a mouse allowing you to switch back and 
forth as
> desired. Could I keep my faithful Logitech mouse or do you 
have to use the
> mouse that comes with the tablet?
> 
> How is the learning curve in switching to a tablet?
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 

Hi Martin,

I've got the cheapest Graphire 4x5 tablet and as most have said
tablets are very nice.  I went with the cheap one to try it out and
I figured I might upgrade at some time but so far I can't see a
need for more pressure levels or bigger size.

I think the different sizes give a trade off in how you want to
use it.   The trouble I see with a mouse is that you use your
whole arm to move around the screen and the fine motor
skills of your fingers don't get used.  So the tablet and pen
allow the fine skills of your fingers, but with a large tablet
moving around your whole screen will again require moving
your arm.  I imagine different people would care different
amounts.

The function keys on the Intuos would probably be nice but
of course I've never had that opportunity.  The pressure levels
are great some times but I've also found some cases where
I like to have a known and fixed brush size  -- its easy to
disable.

BTW, there's no problem (at least on my Mac) connecting as
many mice or tablets as you want.  Finally, a learning
curve?  I think so, but its not hard -- for instance you have to
be careful not to touch the pad with the pen when just moving
around because the touch means mouse click.

Roy