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[Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

[Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Paul Roark

Jim P wrote:

>      One of my absolute favorite photo sites is this one here...
>http://marktucker.com/cubamexico/index.html

>... I was wondering if it's even possible to make prints with this tone,
>digitally?  Is it just a warm tone, because I print with the
>warm curves but
>I don't get this warm of a print, is there a way to turn it up?  I use the
>MIS VM inks.  ...

Neither the standard or sepia vm inksets can make this tone.  A small gamut
inkset could, but it is dye-based.  The 2200 could do this.

The relationship among the colors is about like one of the experimental
toners I made for the vm-sepia inkset.  For a toner that would do this I'd
guess 9 units yellow, 2 units magenta, and 4 units MIS quad 25 would be
close.  It would take some experimentation to get it right on.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Carolyn Frayn

> Jim P wrote:
> 
>> One of my absolute favorite photo sites is this one here...
>> http://marktucker.com/cubamexico/index.html
> 
>> ... I was wondering if it's even possible to make prints with this tone,
>> digitally?

With colored pig's or dye's yes,  or Lightjet etc.  Mark now prints with
ultrachromes... 

Carolyn

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Martin Wesley

Jim,

I  have a wonderful portrait by Mark from one of the print exchange that he
did with a color ink set. Wonderful shades of warm brown. None of the
current grayscale ink sets will give you the tone you are seeing on Mark's
site, which I assume is the result of tinting the files and not from
scanning prints that tone (Mark correct me here if I am wrong.) It certainly
is possible and I wish we had a nice warm-brown tone ink set available.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:00 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???


>
>
> One of my absolute favorite photo sites is this one here...
> http://marktucker.com/cubamexico/index.html
>
> I know there's a lot to learn to be able to take photo's like this
> but I was wondering if it's even possible to make prints with this tone,
> digitally?  Is it just a warm tone, because I print with the warm curves
but
> I don't get this warm of a print, is there a way to turn it up?  I use the
> MIS VM inks.  I don't have a whole lot of experience in the wet dark room
so
> I apologies if this sounds novice.  I just love the way these print look
and
> feel and I would like to try and replicate their feel.  Maybe warmer
papers
> if there is such a thing?  Well, just asking, thanks.
>
> Jim P
>
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Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Peter Marquis-Kyle

> Jim P wrote:
> 
>> One of my absolute favorite photo sites is this one here...
>> http://marktucker.com/cubamexico/index.html
> 
>> ... I was wondering if it's even possible to make prints with this tone,
>> digitally?

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet: You can start with a greyscale
image, then introduce the tone in Photoshop (Image > Mode > Duotone...,
load one of the canned setups, or make your own). Print with a full gamut 
colour inkset -- if you have fairly strong toning you won't mind, or even 
notice, slight shifts in colour.

Here's an online sample of a Photoshop quadtone:
http://www.marquis-kyle.com.au/2002_05_01_archive.htm#85063079

I admire Mark Tucker's stuff too, but I am not in his league.

Peter Marquis-Kyle

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by CDTobie@aol.com

In a message dated 9/10/02 8:12:03 PM, jimp@... writes:

>   One of my absolute favorite photo sites is this one here...
>http://marktucker.com/cubamexico/index.html
>
>   I know there's a lot to learn to be able to take photo's like this
>but I was wondering if it's even possible to make prints with this tone,
>digitally?

Go to Richard Wolfson's site <http://www.lyricdesign.com/rwolfson/>to see 
images representing what he prints digitally... though I'll admit the 
richness of the actual digital print of the front page image defies 
representation as a small jpeg on screen.

C. David Tobie
Design Cooperative
CDTobie@...

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Carolyn Frayn

> Jim,
> 
> I  have a wonderful portrait by Mark from one of the print exchange that he
> did with a color ink set. Wonderful shades of warm brown.

MIS dyes I believe.

>None of the
> current grayscale ink sets will give you the tone you are seeing on Mark's
> site, which I assume is the result of tinting the files and not from
> scanning prints that tone (Mark correct me here if I am wrong.) It certainly
> is possible and I wish we had a nice warm-brown tone ink set available.

There are a variety of ways to tone or tint, levels or curves adjustments,
or hue/saturation (colorize) from RGB files:  duo/tri/quad tone controls
from grayscale files which will sometimes map the tones better in my
opinion, for more depth, richness.  You have to find the best solution for
your own image/taste.
Levels (gamma slider in R G and B) will effect more than tone:  Curves are
great (different points in R G and B) to tone and effect different areas,
you can have more control over the application of tint:  Hue/Saturation can
render a nice overall color cast, but sometimes you lose your blacks (if
that is something you want in a particular image) as color is applied to the
whole... Duo/tri/quads will retain the contrast while mapping color to
specific tones, and there is a lot of play factor with these, you can create
some wonderful prints.

With any method you choose, you may want to save the curve/level/duotone
you've created to load and apply to other images.

Carolyn

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Jerry Olson

Martin, how about MIS Sepia/Neutral inkset and paul roark's curves? You 
should be able to get any tone of brown you want with these.

Jerry

Martin Wesley wrote:
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> 
> Jim,
> 
> I  have a wonderful portrait by Mark from one of the print exchange that he
> did with a color ink set. Wonderful shades of warm brown. None of the
> current grayscale ink sets will give you the tone you are seeing on Mark's
> site, which I assume is the result of tinting the files and not from
> scanning prints that tone (Mark correct me here if I am wrong.) It certainly
> is possible and I wish we had a nice warm-brown tone ink set available.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:00 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???
> 
> >
> >
> > One of my absolute favorite photo sites is this one here...
> > http://marktucker.com/cubamexico/index.html
> >
> > I know there's a lot to learn to be able to take photo's like this
> > but I was wondering if it's even possible to make prints with this tone,
> > digitally?  Is it just a warm tone, because I print with the warm curves
> but
> > I don't get this warm of a print, is there a way to turn it up?  I use the
> > MIS VM inks.  I don't have a whole lot of experience in the wet dark room
> so
> > I apologies if this sounds novice.  I just love the way these print look
> and
> > feel and I would like to try and replicate their feel.  Maybe warmer
> papers
> > if there is such a thing?  Well, just asking, thanks.
> >
> > Jim P
> >
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Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Mark Tucker

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...> 
wrote:
None of the
> current grayscale ink sets will give you the tone you are seeing on Mark's
> site, which I assume is the result of tinting the files and not from
> scanning prints that tone (Mark correct me here if I am wrong.)


I got a kick out of the Subject Line for this thread. Of course you can print like 
this digitally -- you're looking at images on a digital website! Those images are 
not scans of Epson prints; they're scanned film that's been toned/altered in 
Photoshop, so it goes direct to digital immediately.

Look -- let's get one thing clear upfront. I'm a Photoshop Heathen. Cro-Magnon 
level. I make Photoshop behave as much as I can to be similar to the old wet 
darkroom. (I'm still looking for the Kodak Potassium Ferracyanide filter; I guess 
that's the Dodge/Highlight tool).

I'm not doing anything special at all. It should be super-easy for anyone to get to 
the level where I am. I'm so stubborn I won't even use Adjustment Layers -- I 
work right on the image, and do Save-As's along the way, instead of Adjustment 
Layers. So I'm a simpleton, compared to the advanced guys. But it works for me.

About the most complex thing I've done is an art piece that we shot last 
Thursday night. A big set, and an assemblage of eight different scans:

http://marktucker.com/temp/baddream.html

That's my huge overstuffed carcas on the big table -- it was from a bad vision of 
myself after having not only a giant bowl of gumbo, but then also a grilled cheese 
sandwich and a bunch of potato chips. This is my only big Photoshop production.

But for everyday printing, I always tone and print in RGB. That's why I never 
really read this list very much any more, because being limited to pure BW is just 
far too limiting for me. I'm sure many people see in neutral BW, but I don't. The 
downside is that it makes me have to be pretty anal about my profiles, so that I 
don't get color crossover when making BW prints with 7 color inks of  the 9600. 

Here's how I work, to show you how simple:

* Scan PortraBW120 on Imacon in Greyscale.
* Burn/dodge/correct in Greyscale.
* Convert to RGB and start toning.
* Usually I work in Levels and not HSB/Colorize, because Colorize seems to 
introduce this harsh banding in the tones. Harsh gradations between values.
* Levels>RedChannel: Increase Red.
* Levels>BlueChannel: Increase Yellow.
* Then Curves>BlueChannel: Pull down highlight to add yellow to highlights.
* Look at Image. At this point, probably do overall Curves>Increase Contrast to 
add punch. (Obviously you MUST work from calibrated monitor).
* Go in with highlight dodge tool and open up highlights locally back to almost pure 
white. (If major things are done at this point, I convert from RGB to LAB, and 
view in all three channels, but work ONLY in the Lightness channel, otherwise 
when you dodge or burn, you'll dodge/burn in a different "color" than what you've 
already toned). 
* Do that, and convert back to RGB.
* Make test print, using custom ICC profile on 9600.
* SaveAs file, with ".epson" suffix, and then tweak that file based on what I'm 
seeing in the print. (Print is usually VERY close to monitor, but sometimes you 
still wanna take it further or different).

--

Reading all this, it looks kinda complicated, but once you do it once or twice, you 
do it without even thinking. Also, I usually toned every image slightly differently, 
that's another reason I would not want to be limited to quad inks or bw inks. Too 
little freedom.

I would think for most people on this list, a 2200 with PhotoRag, properly 
profiled, and a calibrated monitor, would be a rockin combination. But hey, it's 
America, Land of Choice. I just don't have enough patience to maintain TWO 
printers, one for color and another for BW. I choose to get a good solid 
relationship with one printer, and work it for all it's worth.

Just one guy's approach. 

Mark Tucker, http://marktucker.com/

PS. David, that Wolfson image is sweet, even on my Powerbook screen.

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Shilesh Jani

People,

I am not fooled by Mark Tucker's "gee golly, heathen" stuff.  I have 
seen one print of his, in Scott Hendershot's exchange.  It was simply 
superb. It is one of a few prints I take out to show others of the 
inkjet possibilities.  True, Mark does not seem particlularly anal 
about color neutrality. But his print showed no evidence of spurious 
color either. The key is a well profiled color set up, as he 
testifies.

I for one would like to see more of his prints in person. His work is 
very, very good!

Best wishes.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" 
<mtucker508@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> 
> wrote:
> None of the
> > current grayscale ink sets will give you the tone you are seeing 
on Mark's
> > site, which I assume is the result of tinting the files and not 
from
> > scanning prints that tone (Mark correct me here if I am wrong.)
> 
> 
> I got a kick out of the Subject Line for this thread. Of course you 
can print like 
> this digitally -- you're looking at images on a digital website! 
Those images are 
> not scans of Epson prints; they're scanned film that's been 
toned/altered in 
> Photoshop, so it goes direct to digital immediately.
> 
> Look -- let's get one thing clear upfront. I'm a Photoshop Heathen. 
Cro-Magnon 
> level. I make Photoshop behave as much as I can to be similar to 
the old wet 
> darkroom. (I'm still looking for the Kodak Potassium Ferracyanide 
filter; I guess 
> that's the Dodge/Highlight tool).
> 
> I'm not doing anything special at all. It should be super-easy for 
anyone to get to 
> the level where I am. I'm so stubborn I won't even use Adjustment 
Layers -- I 
> work right on the image, and do Save-As's along the way, instead of 
Adjustment 
> Layers. So I'm a simpleton, compared to the advanced guys. But it 
works for me.
> 
> About the most complex thing I've done is an art piece that we shot 
last 
> Thursday night. A big set, and an assemblage of eight different 
scans:
> 
> http://marktucker.com/temp/baddream.html
> 
> That's my huge overstuffed carcas on the big table -- it was from a 
bad vision of 
> myself after having not only a giant bowl of gumbo, but then also a 
grilled cheese 
> sandwich and a bunch of potato chips. This is my only big Photoshop 
production.
> 
> But for everyday printing, I always tone and print in RGB. That's 
why I never 
> really read this list very much any more, because being limited to 
pure BW is just 
> far too limiting for me. I'm sure many people see in neutral BW, 
but I don't. The 
> downside is that it makes me have to be pretty anal about my 
profiles, so that I 
> don't get color crossover when making BW prints with 7 color inks 
of  the 9600. 
> 
> Here's how I work, to show you how simple:
> 
> * Scan PortraBW120 on Imacon in Greyscale.
> * Burn/dodge/correct in Greyscale.
> * Convert to RGB and start toning.
> * Usually I work in Levels and not HSB/Colorize, because Colorize 
seems to 
> introduce this harsh banding in the tones. Harsh gradations between 
values.
> * Levels>RedChannel: Increase Red.
> * Levels>BlueChannel: Increase Yellow.
> * Then Curves>BlueChannel: Pull down highlight to add yellow to 
highlights.
> * Look at Image. At this point, probably do overall Curves>Increase 
Contrast to 
> add punch. (Obviously you MUST work from calibrated monitor).
> * Go in with highlight dodge tool and open up highlights locally 
back to almost pure 
> white. (If major things are done at this point, I convert from RGB 
to LAB, and 
> view in all three channels, but work ONLY in the Lightness channel, 
otherwise 
> when you dodge or burn, you'll dodge/burn in a different "color" 
than what you've 
> already toned). 
> * Do that, and convert back to RGB.
> * Make test print, using custom ICC profile on 9600.
> * SaveAs file, with ".epson" suffix, and then tweak that file based 
on what I'm 
> seeing in the print. (Print is usually VERY close to monitor, but 
sometimes you 
> still wanna take it further or different).
> 
> --
> 
> Reading all this, it looks kinda complicated, but once you do it 
once or twice, you 
> do it without even thinking. Also, I usually toned every image 
slightly differently, 
> that's another reason I would not want to be limited to quad inks 
or bw inks. Too 
> little freedom.
> 
> I would think for most people on this list, a 2200 with PhotoRag, 
properly 
> profiled, and a calibrated monitor, would be a rockin combination. 
But hey, it's 
> America, Land of Choice. I just don't have enough patience to 
maintain TWO 
> printers, one for color and another for BW. I choose to get a good 
solid 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> relationship with one printer, and work it for all it's worth.
> 
> Just one guy's approach. 
> 
> Mark Tucker, http://marktucker.com/
> 
> PS. David, that Wolfson image is sweet, even on my Powerbook screen.

Re:can we print images like this digitally?-for Mark

2002-09-11 by antonisphoto

> I would think for most people on this list, a 2200 with PhotoRag, properly 
> profiled, and a calibrated monitor, would be a rockin combination. 

Mark,

yeah.... I am there! I got the 2200 and already put some PRag through and 
now looking at profiling. What worked for you? Did you brew your own or do 
you have a favorite source for profiles?

The main problem with the 2200 out of the box is that when you print a straight 
grayscale converted to bw, no matter what you do in the color managment, the 
90-100% dives hopelessly into black. Otherwise, it prints the best grayscale of 
any "out of the box" Epson or, for that matter, the Gen4/1270 with ConeTech 
profiles. I am sure toning would mask the few slight deviations.

Have you tried ImagePrint with the 9600?

Thanks very much for sharing the details of your workflow. As a token of 
appreciation, here is a big jar of Mylanta...  and careful next time! 
(great image, though - more nightmares like this please).


Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-11 by Editor P.O.V. Image Service

Carolyn Frayn wrote:

>>Jim,
>>
>>I  have a wonderful portrait by Mark from one of the print exchange that he
>>did with a color ink set. Wonderful shades of warm brown.
>>    
>>
>
>MIS dyes I believe.
>
>  
>
  It should be doable with the Lyson SGs as well...  Probably a bit more 
hue control as well..

Keith

Re:can we print images like this digitally?-for Mark

2002-09-11 by Mark Tucker

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "antonisphoto" 
> Mark,
> yeah.... I am there! I got the 2200 and already put some PRag 
through and 
> now looking at profiling. What worked for you? Did you brew 
your own or do 
> you have a favorite source for profiles?


Honestly, I have not even done a custom profile yet because I'm 
still searching for the right paper with these new Ultrachromes 
and matteblack. Museo does not work well; it has a weak black. 
PhotoRag is very very nice. BrightCubeEclipse Satine is even 
better and heavier, but they have potential longterm business 
problems maybe. PhotoRag is also a bit thin for my taste too, 
especially in big sizes. So, as a result, I have not found my paper 
yet. 

But for PhotoRag and BrightCubeE, i have used the canned 
Epson "Enhanced Matte MK" profile, and it works quite well. I'd 
start there. At 1440, with hispeed off, and supermicroweave off. 
And of course, No color Adjustment. And also enhanced Matte 
Media Setting.


> The main problem with the 2200 out of the box is that when you 
print a straight 
> grayscale converted to bw, no matter what you do in the color 
managment, the 
> 90-100% dives hopelessly into black.


Yes. I agree. This is a common shortcoming of the Epson driver. 
The linearization part of the profiling process will help that. As 
will the final profile. It's still tough though. This issue is the 
Achilles Heel of Epson inkjet in my eyes.


> Have you tried ImagePrint with the 9600?

No, very curious though. I'm watching Quentin and Jim Belec and 
Jan try it out on their machines now, on the 9000 list. For once in 
my life, I don't want to be the guinea pig who blows his money. 
Also at $2500 for the 9600 version, it would take quite a bit of 
improvement for me to leap at it. Plus, I hear the Mac interface is 
pretty clunky. Also, at some point, the Epson Money Pit Syndrome 
*must* stop. I feel like Tom Hanks in that Shelley Long movie; 
same is true if you ever own a boat.


> 
> Thanks very much for sharing the details of your workflow. As a 
token of 
> appreciation, here is a big jar of Mylanta...


I must change my lifestyle. I'm 43, and if I don't do something 
now, I'll turn into my father:

http://marktucker.com/adv/daddy.html

Good luck. I'm sure the 2200 is a great printer. And for the record, 
I'm with Andrew about the GreyBalancer. Just get a good profile 
and start printing. It's not that hard.

MT

Re:can we print images like this digitally?-for Mark

2002-09-11 by lawrencetrek

> And of course, No color Adjustment. And also enhanced Matte 
> Media Setting.
> 
> 
> > The main problem with the 2200 out of the box is that when you 
> print a straight 
> > grayscale converted to bw, no matter what you do in the color 
> managment, the 
> > 90-100% dives hopelessly into black.
> 

I believe it was on dpreview.com, that Carl Schofield described his
workflow 
to get around this problem.  He also wrote a tutorial on luminous-
landscape.com. 

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=3167507 

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/2200-bw.shtml

He suggested rather than using the No color adjustment, use color 
management and click color controls and select photo-realistic as
mode.  
Supposedly, this produces a more linear grayscale and reduces the
color 
gamut.  With this workflow, he apparently got around the problem of
losing 
shadow detail.  Something to try.

Andrew (TDD) suggested this approach may help produce an optimal profile 
for producing neutral B/W prints.  That is, when printing off the targets for your 
custom profile, use color controls>photorealistic rather than No color 
adjustment for the printer settings to get the epson driver to try to be more 
linear and which also reduces the color gamut.  I guess you would have to do 
a separate one for optimal color profile, using the usual No color adjustment 
for printing the targets.

Re:can we print images like this digitally?-for Mark

2002-09-12 by Antonis Ricos

>PhotoRag is also a bit thin for my taste too, 
> especially in big sizes. So, as a result, I have not found my paper 
> yet. 

How about the new Epson Velvet?

> 
> But for PhotoRag and BrightCubeE, i have used the canned 
> Epson "Enhanced Matte MK" profile, and it works quite well. I'd 
> start there. At 1440, with hispeed off, and supermicroweave off. 
> And of course, No color Adjustment. And also enhanced Matte 
> Media Setting.


My settings exactly.



> 
> > Have you tried ImagePrint with the 9600?
....
>Plus, I hear the Mac interface is 
> pretty clunky. 


Apparently this will be fixed when the OS X version comes out. I have been 
using IP4 for my 7000 out of a Mac and it takes some getting used to.  That 
said, however, it works fine. I am about to test IP5 - and eventually the 
upcoming 2200 driver. We'll see.


>Also, at some point, the Epson Money Pit Syndrome 
> *must* stop. 

Easier said, I am afraid... I am looking at a 9500 used... ugh.  Have you played 
with those OEM inks for bw? 




>I'll turn into my father

Funny shot - but drives the point home, so to speak.




Thanks for comparing notes.


Antonis

Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-12 by Martin Wesley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Tucker" <mtucker508@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???


(snip earlier)
>
> But for everyday printing, I always tone and print in RGB. That's why I
never
> really read this list very much any more, because being limited to pure BW
is just
> far too limiting for me. I'm sure many people see in neutral BW, but I
don't. The
> downside is that it makes me have to be pretty anal about my profiles, so
that I
> don't get color crossover when making BW prints with 7 color inks of  the
9600.

Hey Mark,

Actually Antonis and I meant B&W in a broader sense of the term which would
include anything vaguely monochrome. Still waiting for someone to report
about making contact negs for cyanotype or albumen printing. You just
abandoned the list to all us chromatically challenged folks and had the good
sense to actually go an make some prints.<G>

I posted your work flow in the files section since this question does come
up pretty often.

Thanks,
Martin

>
> Here's how I work, to show you how simple:
>
> * Scan PortraBW120 on Imacon in Greyscale.
> * Burn/dodge/correct in Greyscale.
> * Convert to RGB and start toning.
> * Usually I work in Levels and not HSB/Colorize, because Colorize seems to
> introduce this harsh banding in the tones. Harsh gradations between
values.
> * Levels>RedChannel: Increase Red.
> * Levels>BlueChannel: Increase Yellow.
> * Then Curves>BlueChannel: Pull down highlight to add yellow to
highlights.
> * Look at Image. At this point, probably do overall Curves>Increase
Contrast to
> add punch. (Obviously you MUST work from calibrated monitor).
> * Go in with highlight dodge tool and open up highlights locally back to
almost pure
> white. (If major things are done at this point, I convert from RGB to LAB,
and
> view in all three channels, but work ONLY in the Lightness channel,
otherwise
> when you dodge or burn, you'll dodge/burn in a different "color" than what
you've
> already toned).
> * Do that, and convert back to RGB.
> * Make test print, using custom ICC profile on 9600.
> * SaveAs file, with ".epson" suffix, and then tweak that file based on
what I'm
> seeing in the print. (Print is usually VERY close to monitor, but
sometimes you
> still wanna take it further or different).
>
> --
>
> Reading all this, it looks kinda complicated, but once you do it once or
twice, you
> do it without even thinking. Also, I usually toned every image slightly
differently,
> that's another reason I would not want to be limited to quad inks or bw
inks. Too
> little freedom.
>
> I would think for most people on this list, a 2200 with PhotoRag, properly
> profiled, and a calibrated monitor, would be a rockin combination. But
hey, it's
> America, Land of Choice. I just don't have enough patience to maintain TWO
> printers, one for color and another for BW. I choose to get a good solid
> relationship with one printer, and work it for all it's worth.
>
> Just one guy's approach.
>
> Mark Tucker, http://marktucker.com/
>
> PS. David, that Wolfson image is sweet, even on my Powerbook screen.
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Re: [Digital BW] can we print images like this digitally???

2002-09-12 by Mark Tucker

Martin,

I should probably be more clear on part of that. When i'm working 
in Levels, in the red and blue channels, doing the toning, I'm 
ONLY moving the center "grey/gamma" triangle point. I leave the 
other ones alone.

> > * Levels>RedChannel: Increase Red.
> > * Levels>BlueChannel: Increase Yellow.

But, having said that, another interesting effect that I used on the 
picture on the front of my site today is to:

when you get done with everything, go into Levels and pull the 
white-point to the left, so you clip off some of the highlights back 
to pure white. (This assumes you've pulled down the highlights 
to non-pure-white with the white point of the blue channel).

Whatever the case, all of these procedures of toning could be 
recorded into Actions that could be uploaded to this site. It would 
be an interesting Print Exchange for everyone to start with the 
same image, and then treat it like you think it should be treated, 
but also record their work into an Action that was uploaded here, 
for others to try and experiment with. It would interesting to see 
what fifteen or twenty people did with the exact same image.

Again, I tone more according to "feeling/gut" rather than some 
precise hold-all-tones mindset. That's another reason why I use 
a color-ink printer; so I don't box myself into a limiting corner.
I'd never want to have to flush out/change inks to tone differently. 
Some battles just aren't worth fighting; only so many hours in the 
day.

MT, http://marktucker.com/

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