Digital BW, The Print

What is a good way to remove a NMC CIS for a few days or a week?  I want to 
try some ink in cartridges and then replace the CIS.  I plan to plug up the 
cartridge holes with MIS rivets.  

At what height should I lay the cartridges relative to the bottles of ink?  
Sitting in the printer, the bottom of the carts are about equal height to the 
top of the ink bottles.  

And, should I store them with the rivets at the bottom facing down, like they 
sit in the printer?  Will they leak?  

Helene

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote:
> What is a good way to remove a NMC CIS for a few days or a week?  I 
want to 
> try some ink in cartridges and then replace the CIS.  I plan to plug 
up the 
> cartridge holes with MIS rivets.

Some people contend that MIS rivits are too large and will distend the 
rubber seal at the bottom if used; EZ-plugs are then reccommended 
instead.

I haven't formed an opinion on this issue except that if I was going 
to leave it more than a couple of days (say for  storage 
vs merely maintainance) I personally would not use MIS rivits. Yet I 
do use them for periods shorter, esp when I need access to one chamber 
at a time. In short I have used both, but would favor EZ plugs if 
longer than a couple of days- just in case the seal does get damaged, 
and for the fact that they are way easier and faster to use then the 
rivits.
  
> 
> At what height should I lay the cartridges relative to the bottles 
of ink?

I kept the carts a little higher, maybe two inches- other people may 
have different experiences.
  

> 
> And, should I store them with the rivets at the bottom facing down, 
like they 
> sit in the printer?

I asked Bill Bergh about this many moons ago, now remember he was 
recomending nomorecarts EZ-plugs for the plugging, and so there would 
be the bulk of the plastic to deal with if carts were stood upright. 
Whether this was the reason or no, he told me to store the carts  
front face down, or the side that usually faces into printer, down. I 
have done this with two CIS systems and one CFS system with good 
results.  


  Will they leak?

The rivets will not leak at all, except when you first pull/push them 
out or in. The EZ-plugs the same except that since you insert all the 
plugs for the color cart at once, it is effectively less mess. After 
they are in, neither plug system leaks appreciably, even though the 
EZ-plugs are smaller in diameter (same diameter as head nipples). You 
might get at most one drop out of the EZ plugs in months, big deal. 
Put the carts in a baggie if you wish, but don't seal it to the 
outside environment- to prevent condensation, etc.

Do not use rubber bands on the EZ-plugs even though they don't seem to 
have much retension force. They work better without any pressing force 
on them, and don't crack as much. The plastic tends to crack a lot 
even without rubber bands- this is replaced under warrenty, just be 
prepared for it happening, avoid using fantastik or extremes of water 
temperature to clean them. I've started using only tepid water in 
frustration, having cracked about 5 sets now.
Jim H.


> 
> Helene

They crack without doing a thing to them.  My first one cracked on slight 
contact with Epson ink (checked out a new printer and removed the Epson 
carts) and the lucite pieces fell off, so I was basically left with rivets.  
When I emailed nomorecarts, I was told this was the first time they had ever 
heard of cracking.  They did send a replacement however.  That one cracked 
too.  They should replace the lucite with some other material.

Helene  


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
> <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > Don't you just love the quality of which things are made? $15 for a 
> 5
> > cent piece of plastic that breaks the second or third time you use 
> it. 
> > 
> > Bah! Humbuggery!
> > 
> > Jerry
> 
> The weird thing is though Jerry, is that I never had one crack while 
> installing or removing. The plastic seems to either crack on it's own 
> or I'm thinking that it's real sensitive to cleaning with something 
> like Fantastik or other then tepid water. Or maybe the dry climate 
> here, I don't know. I still think they're a better solution than MIS 
> Rivits for most purposes, I just keep an extra set on hand that I can 
> use, if waiting for a new one to arrive thru warranty.
> 



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., grdglass@a... wrote:
> They crack without doing a thing to them.

Yup.

  My first one cracked on 
slight 
> contact with Epson ink (checked out a new printer and removed the 
Epson 
> carts) and the lucite pieces fell off, so I was basically left with 
rivets.  
> When I emailed nomorecarts, I was told this was the first time they 
had ever 
> heard of cracking.

They don't have a very good memory then. I've gone through about five 
sets, the last two replaced from a reseller. The problem is at least 1 
1/2 years old.

  They did send a replacement however.  That one 
cracked 
> too.


I keep a second set and rotate them.

  >They should replace the lucite with some other material.

Plexi will craze easily with some chemicals, and it's interesting that 
 the cracks seem to emanate from the pins. This and our experience 
seem to suggest that perhaps the carrier in the pigment ink cause it. 
I was thinking other than tepid water was the cause, but I remember 
now that you don't have to do anything to them- just walk away and 
come back next day and they're fallen apart.

The CIS components are usually more polished than the CFS components 
but this is one area where they dropped the ball and don't seem 
interested in finding it. In fact they seem to be running around the 
field still thinking they have it.<g>
Jim H.

> 
> Helene  
> 
> 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > Don't you just love the quality of which things are made? $15 
for a 
> > 5
> > > cent piece of plastic that breaks the second or third time you 
use 
> > it. 
> > > 
> > > Bah! Humbuggery!
> > > 
> > > Jerry
> > 
> > The weird thing is though Jerry, is that I never had one crack 
while 
> > installing or removing. The plastic seems to either crack on it's 
own 
> > or I'm thinking that it's real sensitive to cleaning with 
something 
> > like Fantastik or other then tepid water. Or maybe the dry climate 
> > here, I don't know. I still think they're a better solution than 
MIS 
> > Rivits for most purposes, I just keep an extra set on hand that I 
can 

> > use, if waiting for a new one to arrive thru warranty.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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