Digital BW, The Print

Andrew Rodney wrote:

 >on 9/15/02 5:07 PM, Editor P.O.V. Image Service at editor@...
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 >>Since Andrew Rodney has said that EPSON IS saving money by NOT
 >>DISTRIBUTING the grey-balancer in the US , that they can  then use for
 >>better drivers, I think those two features are conspicuous in their
 >>absence...  Their existence in the driver for my old ALPs make it much
 >>more useful than it otherwise might be..
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 >Using what software? Spot colors in Photoshop is a cruel joke at best.
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Illustrator or Quark to start with?

Canvas

CorelDraw

need we go on?

And you completely ignored the OVERLAY option...

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 >>Obviously, working Jaguar drivers would be nice too.. ;-)
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 >My 2200 is running fine...
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Well, support for older hardware would be a nice idea... Hell, if you
can't use your 1280 (Still sold by EPSON mind you)  with full Jaguar
functionality, just buy a 2200... Yeah, that's the ticket...

Or perhaps CUPS is good enough...  Of course, EPSON has nothing to do
with CUPS...

You also wholly ignored my point about single color purges..

If you choose to answer don't act like a White House spin doctor and
make believe you are answering all questions fully while answering only
those you have answers for that make you come off positively.

Henry Wilhelm learned something awhile back... I hold people 100%
publicly and permanently accountable for representations they make (like
his NEW public data, promised 2 years ago -- that never got here)...  If
the promises (explicit or implicit)  aren't kept,  their reputations
deserve to take the hits for it...

Funny Andrew, you were quick to make assertions that the saved money
would go into better drivers... any particular reason you seem to be
backing away from the certitude of your earlier statements?  Know
something we don't about what printers EPSON will NOT be supporting in
updated drivers, perhaps?

EPSON apparently got Wilhelm to concede keeping data unpublished..  They
refused to update drivers to give us better inks (alleging it would
confuse end-users), but were willing to do so for profits money when
they added a Chinese ink source.  They have a track record of making
choices to maximize profits  at the expense of any other consideration
(chipping flawed inksets, and later suing third party cartridge
manufacturers, etc.)  I'm not indicting you in any way, I just think you
should accept the fact that your blue ribbon panel has given them the
cover to save costs today and like Wimpy in the old Popeye cartoons
"while promising us better product as a DIRECT result in future"...  If
they follow through they'd be much more altruistic than is the corporate
  norm.. and in your own heart I think you recognize that reality...

Yes they make some great products, yes I use them... That in no way
means I should or will ignore ways in which they blow smoke at, mislead,
or abuse end-users..

Keith



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Andrew Rodney wrote:

  >on 9/15/02 5:07 PM, Editor P.O.V. Image Service at editor@...

  >>Obviously, working Jaguar drivers would be nice too.. ;-)
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  >My 2200 is running fine...
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You must be using different drivers than are publicly available then:

To quote from a response to this post on the MacEpson list:


Carl Schofield wrote:


 >My 2200 is also running with 10.2, but the "center image" check box in 
 >the print with preview dialog does not function properly and there are 
 >still some features that are not available (borderless printing, roll 
 >paper, manual feed for thicker papers).  The only "features" added 
with >the 10.2 upgrade were custom paper sizes and the ability to save 
more >than one custom printing setup.


So, Andrew, do those features work in YOUR 2200 running under Jaguar 
with the current publicly released drivers? Just wondering...

Keith

I also don't recall restricting my comments on the Mac OS 10.2/Jaguar 
drivers to the 2200...

How about this other comment from the MacEpson list:



Don Cone wrote:

 >Has anyone actually been able to print a color photograph using Jaguar 
 >and PS7? The Epson driver seems to have no control over resolution or 
 >much of anything else.



Sounds to me like those savings are going elsewhere other than better 
drivers..  ;-)

And please don't start going on about how EPSON is a small company with 
limited resources... Seiko-Epson is one of the largest Keretsu in 
Japan... Stop trying to make them sound like a cash-short, impoverished, 
mom and pop firm.  It amazes me how a firm like EPSON cannot come out 
with drivers with better feature sets, with a wide number of engineering 
employees, and people like Ed Hamrick, as sole software engineer for 
VueScan can come out with constant updates, continually adding new 
hardware and features, while supporting Windoze, Linus, and McOS..  ;-)

I've begun to wonder if Japanese firms have some type of cultural issue 
preventing the same kind of support..  Canon and Nikon seem to have 
always had inordinately long delays between upgrades in software for 
both cameras and scanners.. (And for a someone like I, a fan of much of 
Japanese culture, making this leap takes a lot)




Keith

And I don't pick unfairly on EPSON or Japanese firms, earlier this year, 
LinkSys, in California, USA, released a series of products for which the 
   firmware and software were NOT "prime-time"...

I held LinkSys's feet to the fire and they eventually upgraded both 
firmware and software.

See the following Network World article as one example:

http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/columnists/2002/0225kistner.html


My "problem" is that I expect a product to perform as advertised and be 
FULLY supported for a few years after its initial sales... Both of which 
seem rare things in the market of today.

Keith

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <
editor@p...> wrote:

>  >Using what software? Spot colors in Photoshop is a cruel joke at best.
>  >
>  >
> Illustrator or Quark to start with?
> 
> Canvas
> 
> CorelDraw
> 
> need we go on?

With a Quickdraw driver? No way. You need a RIP. 

The Epson driver is a non Postscript (GDI/Quickdraw) driver. Ain't going to fly 
with Quark/Illustrator etc.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <
editor@p...> wrote:

> Don Cone wrote:
> 
>  >Has anyone actually been able to print a color photograph using Jaguar 
>  >and PS7? The Epson driver seems to have no control over resolution or 
>  >much of anything else.

Yes, I have with no problems with control over resolution.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" <
editor@p...> wrote:

>  >My 2200 is also running with 10.2, but the "center image" check box in 
>  >the print with preview dialog does not function properly and there are 
>  >still some features that are not available (borderless printing, roll 
>  >paper, manual feed for thicker papers).  
> So, Andrew, do those features work in YOUR 2200 running under Jaguar 
> with the current publicly released drivers? Just wondering...

No, center is not working. But unless someone is using some really odd 
paper, I've had no problem with "thicker" paper. I haven't tried roll printing.