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Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by André Vallejo

I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM Inks,sprayed
with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after presenting it,the
albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to my
surprise,the following happened:
1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT before.
2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...


Any ideas why that can be???

Andr\ufffd

Re: Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by Vincent Orlando

Andre, I had that problem with BC seni mat right off the bat. Not 
after 45 days. No matter which curve I used I got the same, bronzing 
and posterizing, no yellow cast. I have a whole box here that I can't 
use

Vinny
http://www.wulfsden.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., André Vallejo <avs@p...> 
wrote:
> I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM 
Inks,sprayed
> with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after presenting 
it,the
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> albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to my
> surprise,the following happened:
> 1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT before.
> 2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...
> 
> 
> Any ideas why that can be???
> 
> André

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by Robert Morrison

You have to spray it...just like any other e-surface paper to get rid of the
bronzing.

I have prints that are about 6 months old...and I don't see any other these
problems.  Perhaps your spray coat wasn't thick enough.

Robert
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On 9/24/02 9:00 AM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@...> wrote:

> 
> Andre, I had that problem with BC seni mat right off the bat. Not
> after 45 days. No matter which curve I used I got the same, bronzing
> and posterizing, no yellow cast. I have a whole box here that I can't
> use
> 
> Vinny
> http://www.wulfsden.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., André Vallejo <avs@p...>
> wrote:
>> I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM
> Inks,sprayed
>> with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after presenting
> it,the
>> albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to my
>> surprise,the following happened:
>> 1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT before.
>> 2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...
>> 
>> 
>> Any ideas why that can be???
>> 
>> André
> 
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[Digital BW] Re: Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by Vincent Orlando

Robert, I sprayed it with 1305 Krylon, and they didn't disappear. 
They were there before and after spraying

Vinny

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> You have to spray it...just like any other e-surface paper to get 
rid of the
> bronzing.
> 
> I have prints that are about 6 months old...and I don't see any 
other these
> problems.  Perhaps your spray coat wasn't thick enough.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 9/24/02 9:00 AM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Andre, I had that problem with BC seni mat right off the bat. Not
> > after 45 days. No matter which curve I used I got the same, 
bronzing
> > and posterizing, no yellow cast. I have a whole box here that I 
can't
> > use
> > 
> > Vinny
> > http://www.wulfsden.com
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., André Vallejo <avs@p...>
> > wrote:
> >> I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM
> > Inks,sprayed
> >> with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after 
presenting
> > it,the
> >> albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to my
> >> surprise,the following happened:
> >> 1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT 
before.
> >> 2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Any ideas why that can be???
> >> 
> >> André
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by Robert Morrison

How many coats of Krylon?  I use 4.  Sounds like you have either 1) a
profile problem, 2) bad inks or 3) a major inkjet drop out if you are
getting posterization.  Is the same printer doing fine with other papers?  I
use the Epson Premium Glossy profile with the piezo driver.  Its not
perfect...but I could edit to get great prints.  I've used both MIS FS-N and
Selenium Piezotone inks and gotten good results this way. The bronzing would
completely go away after the 4 light coats of Krylon.

Robert
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On 9/24/02 1:02 PM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@...> wrote:

> 
> Robert, I sprayed it with 1305 Krylon, and they didn't disappear.
> They were there before and after spraying
> 
> Vinny
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> You have to spray it...just like any other e-surface paper to get
> rid of the
>> bronzing.
>> 
>> I have prints that are about 6 months old...and I don't see any
> other these
>> problems.  Perhaps your spray coat wasn't thick enough.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 9/24/02 9:00 AM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Andre, I had that problem with BC seni mat right off the bat. Not
>>> after 45 days. No matter which curve I used I got the same,
> bronzing
>>> and posterizing, no yellow cast. I have a whole box here that I
> can't
>>> use
>>> 
>>> Vinny
>>> http://www.wulfsden.com
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., André Vallejo <avs@p...>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM
>>> Inks,sprayed
>>>> with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after
> presenting
>>> it,the
>>>> albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to my
>>>> surprise,the following happened:
>>>> 1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT
> before.
>>>> 2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Any ideas why that can be???
>>>> 
>>>> André
>>> 
>>> 
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[Digital BW] Re: Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by Vincent Orlando

Robert, I am using the MIS VM, I never tried the glossy profile, 
thinking it wouldn't be any good, but I will try it as I really like 
this paper. I have been using it with color ink and it seams fine 
that way. 
I will let you know tomorrow how it works out. The other papers EAM 
and Somerset enhanced work fine.

Vinny


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> How many coats of Krylon?  I use 4.  Sounds like you have either 1) 
a
> profile problem, 2) bad inks or 3) a major inkjet drop out if you 
are
> getting posterization.  Is the same printer doing fine with other 
papers?  I
> use the Epson Premium Glossy profile with the piezo driver.  Its not
> perfect...but I could edit to get great prints.  I've used both MIS 
FS-N and
> Selenium Piezotone inks and gotten good results this way. The 
bronzing would
> completely go away after the 4 light coats of Krylon.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 9/24/02 1:02 PM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Robert, I sprayed it with 1305 Krylon, and they didn't disappear.
> > They were there before and after spraying
> > 
> > Vinny
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> > <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> >> You have to spray it...just like any other e-surface paper to get
> > rid of the
> >> bronzing.
> >> 
> >> I have prints that are about 6 months old...and I don't see any
> > other these
> >> problems.  Perhaps your spray coat wasn't thick enough.
> >> 
> >> Robert
> >> 
> >> On 9/24/02 9:00 AM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> Andre, I had that problem with BC seni mat right off the bat. 
Not
> >>> after 45 days. No matter which curve I used I got the same,
> > bronzing
> >>> and posterizing, no yellow cast. I have a whole box here that I
> > can't
> >>> use
> >>> 
> >>> Vinny
> >>> http://www.wulfsden.com
> >>> 
> >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., André Vallejo 
<avs@p...>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM
> >>> Inks,sprayed
> >>>> with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after
> > presenting
> >>> it,the
> >>>> albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to 
my
> >>>> surprise,the following happened:
> >>>> 1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT
> > before.
> >>>> 2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Any ideas why that can be???
> >>>> 
> >>>> André
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Weird Krylon+Brightcube SM problem...

2002-09-24 by Robert Morrison

Ah, that explains it...I have no idea whether there are VM curves that work
with non-matte papers.

Robert
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On 9/24/02 2:17 PM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@...> wrote:

> 
> Robert, I am using the MIS VM, I never tried the glossy profile,
> thinking it wouldn't be any good, but I will try it as I really like
> this paper. I have been using it with color ink and it seams fine
> that way. 
> I will let you know tomorrow how it works out. The other papers EAM
> and Somerset enhanced work fine.
> 
> Vinny
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>> How many coats of Krylon?  I use 4.  Sounds like you have either 1)
> a
>> profile problem, 2) bad inks or 3) a major inkjet drop out if you
> are
>> getting posterization.  Is the same printer doing fine with other
> papers?  I
>> use the Epson Premium Glossy profile with the piezo driver.  Its not
>> perfect...but I could edit to get great prints.  I've used both MIS
> FS-N and
>> Selenium Piezotone inks and gotten good results this way. The
> bronzing would
>> completely go away after the 4 light coats of Krylon.
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> On 9/24/02 1:02 PM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Robert, I sprayed it with 1305 Krylon, and they didn't disappear.
>>> They were there before and after spraying
>>> 
>>> Vinny
>>> 
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison
>>> <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>>>> You have to spray it...just like any other e-surface paper to get
>>> rid of the
>>>> bronzing.
>>>> 
>>>> I have prints that are about 6 months old...and I don't see any
>>> other these
>>>> problems.  Perhaps your spray coat wasn't thick enough.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/24/02 9:00 AM, "Vincent Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andre, I had that problem with BC seni mat right off the bat.
> Not
>>>>> after 45 days. No matter which curve I used I got the same,
>>> bronzing
>>>>> and posterizing, no yellow cast. I have a whole box here that I
>>> can't
>>>>> use
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vinny
>>>>> http://www.wulfsden.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., André Vallejo
> <avs@p...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I enlarged a whole portfolio in Brightcube semi-matte paper ,VM
>>>>> Inks,sprayed
>>>>>> with Krylon 1305. It gave beautiful results. Then,after
>>> presenting
>>>>> it,the
>>>>>> albm stayed closed for about 45 days. Today I opened it,and to
> my
>>>>>> surprise,the following happened:
>>>>>> 1.Prints got posterized in the shadows,which they were NOT
>>> before.
>>>>>> 2.Some of the bronzing came back,now with a yellowish cast...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any ideas why that can be???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> André
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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