Digital BW, The Print

Hello

can anyone direct me to a website with pictures showing the 
tonal difference between MIS-FS prints (said to be slightly warm) and 
MIS-FSN prints (said to be neutral). Thank you.

mathias muenger

P.S. any further experience-based comments on these two inks for the 
EPSON 1160 with the built-in EPSON driver and EAM/EEM.

Mathias,

I don't know of any web-site showing the difference. I have used both 
inks on a 1280 printer and EAM paper.  The difference is quite 
striking. Side by side, the FS-N will look bluer than the FS.  But, 
in reality it is very neutral.  The color of the paper is very 
important to the look of these inks.  FS-N looks more blue with cool 
papers such as EAM and Eclipse Satine Bright White. If you use a warm 
paper (e.g., Hehnemuhle William Turner or Eclipse Satine Soft White), 
FS-N inks don't look quite as blue. In my experience, these inks 
don't work well with Somerset Velvet. Martin Wesley has done some 
experiments with mixing the inks, and my recollection is that he 
liked the 80%FS-N + 20%FS mix the best. But you may want to search 
the archives to be sure.

Good luck.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "chatzebussi" 
<chatzebussi@y...> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> can anyone direct me to a website with pictures showing the 
> tonal difference between MIS-FS prints (said to be slightly warm) 
and 
> MIS-FSN prints (said to be neutral). Thank you.
> 
> mathias muenger
> 
> P.S. any further experience-based comments on these two inks for 
the 
> EPSON 1160 with the built-in EPSON driver and EAM/EEM.

I am not aware of side by side comparisons, but I will
give you my observations.

The FS prints looked way too greenish in tungsten
light.    However, they would warm up quite a bit if
left out in the open (sort of a yellowish brown). 
Since I strongly dislike the appearance of green
prints and I am not overly fond of blue prints
(Straight FSN from what I have read) I decided to mix
FSN with FS (60 - 40).  Thank you Martin.  

No more green prints in tungsten light.  As far as
warming with the new mixture, I don't know what will
happen since they have only been displayed for a few
weeks.

Paper and work flow:  EAM, German Etching, Photo Rag. 
All used with Jeff Randall's ingenious curves.
Sommerset Velvet Enhanced doesn't print well with
these inks in my experience.

Thom

> > can anyone direct me to a website with pictures
> showing the 
> > tonal difference between MIS-FS prints (said to be
> slightly warm) 
> and 
> > MIS-FSN prints (said to be neutral). Thank you.
> > 
> > mathias muenger
> > 
> > P.S. any further experience-based comments on
> these two inks for 
> the 
> > EPSON 1160 with the built-in EPSON driver and
> EAM/EEM.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Thom McGraw" <thom@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: MIS-FS vs MIS-FSN


> I am not aware of side by side comparisons, but I will
> give you my observations.
>
> The FS prints looked way too greenish in tungsten
> light.    However, they would warm up quite a bit if
> left out in the open (sort of a yellowish brown).
> Since I strongly dislike the appearance of green
> prints and I am not overly fond of blue prints
> (Straight FSN from what I have read) I decided to mix
> FSN with FS (60 - 40).  Thank you Martin.

Thom,

I had similar reaction to the FS and FSN. I am glad someone else is giving
blending a try. From the samples I did the warming of the FS seems to
dominate a bit so you may want to go a little colder out of the printer that
you would like.  You might try varying the ratio of the mix for the
different positions to let the hue change slightly with tone.

Martin Wesley

Martin, Paul and others

I'm about to dispose of the original Piezo inks because of the 
greenies associated with these inks (CIS - 2/3 full). The FS-N inkset 
that I ordered should arrive this week. 

But now I find out that the FS-N inkset may have a bluish cast while 
the original FS inkset looks green under tungsten lighting. And now, 
to compensate, some people are making the own blends from the two 
inkset.

(Rant should go here)...lol

I've read message 19947 where Paul says that the FSN-K and the FS-K 
are the same. In message 19691, Bob gives us a blending ratio of the 
two inksets but Martin advises about being closer to the FS-N.

So, I'm ready to re-order some FS inks for blending, but I'm no 
chemist and not much of an experimenter. So where should I be going: 
80%-20% evenly across the two inkset ? I have an Epson 1160 with 
Piezo V5.1.3e

TIA,
Andre

Thanks Martin,

I'll see how the warming goes with my current prints. 
But it sounds from your experience I'll be mixing my
next batch at 75 - 25.

Thom
--- Martin Wesley <mwesley250@...> wrote:

 From the samples I did the warming

> of the FS seems to
> dominate a bit so you may want to go a little colder
> out of the printer that
> you would like.  You might try varying the ratio of
> the mix for the
> different positions to let the hue change slightly
> with tone.
> 
> Martin Wesley