Digital BW, The Print

Hello everyone
         I have been absorbed totally in this forum and have found 
lots of answers to questions already. One question I do have is on 
Epson 870 printer profiles and also HP 932 printer profiles . Where 
can these be found? Thanks in advance and I hope soon to participate 
more in discussions.

Hi,

Didn't catch your name there but I am going to respond to your 
questions with some questions to get a better idea of where you want 
to go.

1. Do you want to print B&W using the manufacturer's color inks in 
the 870 or 932?

2. Do you want to dedicate one of these two printers to use quadra 
tone inks to make B&W prints?

If you want to do #1 then there are various approaches but a good ICC 
profile would help. These can be purchased for the specific printer 
already written, custom made for your individual printer or you can 
use you scanner with programs like EZColor to make your own profiles. 
These profiles are designed for color printing but a well-calibrated 
system is a real plus in creating B&W prints with color ink sets.

If you want to do #2 it is possible by refilling cartridges with 
quadra tone inks but there are no profiles for these two prints and 
you will need to develop your own curves or profiles. Not impossible 
but not the easiest path.

Martin Wesley


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., matrixjjj@y... wrote:
> Hello everyone
>          I have been absorbed totally in this forum and have found 
> lots of answers to questions already. One question I do have is on 
> Epson 870 printer profiles and also HP 932 printer profiles . Where 
> can these be found? Thanks in advance and I hope soon to 
participate 
> more in discussions.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Didn't catch your name there but I am going to respond to your 
> questions with some questions to get a better idea of where you 
want 
> to go.
> 
> 1. Do you want to print B&W using the manufacturer's color inks in 
> the 870 or 932?
> 
> 2. Do you want to dedicate one of these two printers to use quadra 
> tone inks to make B&W prints?
> 
> If you want to do #1 then there are various approaches but a good 
ICC 
> profile would help. These can be purchased for the specific printer 
> already written, custom made for your individual printer or you can 
> use you scanner with programs like EZColor to make your own 
profiles. 
> These profiles are designed for color printing but a well-
calibrated 
> system is a real plus in creating B&W prints with color ink sets.
> 
> If you want to do #2 it is possible by refilling cartridges with 
> quadra tone inks but there are no profiles for these two prints and 
> you will need to develop your own curves or profiles. Not 
impossible 
> but not the easiest path.
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., matrixjjj@y... wrote:
> > Hello everyone
> >          I have been absorbed totally in this forum and have 
found 
> > lots of answers to questions already. One question I do have is 
on 
> > Epson 870 printer profiles and also HP 932 printer profiles . 
Where 
> > can these be found? Thanks in advance and I hope soon to 
> participate 
> > more in discussions.

My name is Dan Rivers. How well would dedicating a Epson 400 do for 
black and whites? I guess I would dedicate the Hp 932 to the 
quadtones.

Hi Dan,

Welcome aboard!

For printing B&W with color inks any color printer will do if you are 
willing to stick with the manufacturer's inks. For the quad inks or 
other color sets you either have to hand load cartridges and develop 
the software end yourself or use a printer that already has inks, 
cartridges and software (curves, profiles, drivers) available.

All of the quad printing grew out of the Iris inkjet field and moved 
onto the Epson 3000. From there it spread to some other Epson models. 
Just as Mac's pretty much dominated the computer graphics field so 
did Epson. The end result is that there is very little, if anything, 
available for any other brand and only a few of the Epsons.

The most common Epsons being used with quad inks appear to be the 
1160, 3000 and 1200. You almost have to choose which ink set you want 
to use first and then look at what software, printers and printer 
support is available.

In choosing inks you have to decide between the dye based and the 
pigmented. Then within those categories choose which brand.

The simplest way to do quads might be to get a refurbished 1200 from 
Epson (1160's are hard to come by) and get the PiezoBW inks with the 
CIS (Continuous Ink Supply) at a cost of about $1,000. Another 
alternative would be to go with MIS which is less expensive but the 
software end is not a neatly packaged. The MIS site seems to be down 
tonight so I can't give you a good price comparison but my 1280 with 
CIS and MIS VM inks cost me about $850. If you can find an 1160, you 
could get into the MIS inks for a lot less, probably under $500.

Lysonic makes some quad dye based cartridges but not for either of 
your printers and they offer no software. Lincoln Inks also has dye 
based quad ink in bulk that you could load into you current 
cartridges and some workflows that could be adapted. I really don't 
know how workable they would be with your printers.

This probably is not what you wanted to hear but that is pretty much 
the current state of affairs.

Martin Wesley




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., matrixjjj@y... wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Didn't catch your name there but I am going to respond to your 
> > questions with some questions to get a better idea of where you 
> want 
> > to go.
> > 
> > 1. Do you want to print B&W using the manufacturer's color inks 
in 
> > the 870 or 932?
> > 
> > 2. Do you want to dedicate one of these two printers to use 
quadra 
> > tone inks to make B&W prints?
> > 
> > If you want to do #1 then there are various approaches but a good 
> ICC 
> > profile would help. These can be purchased for the specific 
printer 
> > already written, custom made for your individual printer or you 
can 
> > use you scanner with programs like EZColor to make your own 
> profiles. 
> > These profiles are designed for color printing but a well-
> calibrated 
> > system is a real plus in creating B&W prints with color ink sets.
> > 
> > If you want to do #2 it is possible by refilling cartridges with 
> > quadra tone inks but there are no profiles for these two prints 
and 

> > you will need to develop your own curves or profiles. Not 
> impossible 
> > but not the easiest path.
> > 
> > Martin Wesley
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., matrixjjj@y... wrote:
> > > Hello everyone
> > >          I have been absorbed totally in this forum and have 
> found 
> > > lots of answers to questions already. One question I do have is 
> on 
> > > Epson 870 printer profiles and also HP 932 printer profiles . 
> Where 
> > > can these be found? Thanks in advance and I hope soon to 
> > participate 
> > > more in discussions.
> 
> My name is Dan Rivers. How well would dedicating a Epson 400 do for 
> black and whites? I guess I would dedicate the Hp 932 to the 
> quadtones.