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Re: [Digital BW] spectratones

2002-10-17 by Martin Wesley

Julian,

My first comment is that they are taking them off the market and are
currently just selling their remaining stock. They sent me sample prints a
year ago and I like the tone of the inks but there were only work flows for
the 1200 and the 3000 on their site. Very nice results on RC papers not so
sure how they would look on matte papers.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] spectratones


> has anyone seen or used Lincoln inks spectratones? Any comments?
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Re: [Digital BW] spectratones

2002-10-17 by Julian Thomas

Yeah I know Martin. I thought I might buy a batch in bulk and try an rgb
workflow. Both the BW inks and the colour inks really have suffered from an
over-emphasis on longevity claims IMO. I'm looking for semi matte for both
colour and BW with the same lifespan as a C-type. What was the metamerism
like?

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] spectratones


> Julian,
>
> My first comment is that they are taking them off the market and are
> currently just selling their remaining stock. They sent me sample prints a
> year ago and I like the tone of the inks but there were only work flows
for
> the 1200 and the 3000 on their site. Very nice results on RC papers not so
> sure how they would look on matte papers.
>
> Martin Wesley
>
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:52 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] spectratones
>
>
> > has anyone seen or used Lincoln inks spectratones? Any comments?
> >
> > Julian
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
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Re: [Digital BW] spectratones

2002-10-17 by Martin Wesley

Julian,

Allen sent me some sample prints but I can't seem to locate them at the
moment. I do have a print he sent in one of the exchanges. The metamerism is
mild to non-existent in this print from a 3000 on a glossy paper. Very
neutral in daylight and shifting towards magenta-red warm under tungsten but
nice looking in both and in mixed lighting.

The 3000 print and sample on glossy paper do show some dot pattern in the
highlights as you might suspect. I remember that the 1200 example was much
smoother and pretty much dot free as was the 3000 prints on a watercolor
paper.

I always thought this was a good ink set, especially for people who wanted
to use glossy papers. If they had done a set of RGB separation curves for
the 1160 and 1280 for Epson and Hahnemuhle papers I suspect they might have
sold more ink. I know I would have given it a try.

Contact Allen and see if he will send you some samples.

Martin Wesley

http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] spectratones


> Yeah I know Martin. I thought I might buy a batch in bulk and try an rgb
> workflow. Both the BW inks and the colour inks really have suffered from
an
> over-emphasis on longevity claims IMO. I'm looking for semi matte for both
> colour and BW with the same lifespan as a C-type. What was the metamerism
> like?
>
> Julian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] spectratones
>
>
> > Julian,
> >
> > My first comment is that they are taking them off the market and are
> > currently just selling their remaining stock. They sent me sample prints
a
> > year ago and I like the tone of the inks but there were only work flows
> for
> > the 1200 and the 3000 on their site. Very nice results on RC papers not
so
> > sure how they would look on matte papers.
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> >
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:52 AM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] spectratones
> >
> >
> > > has anyone seen or used Lincoln inks spectratones? Any comments?
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
and
> > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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Re: [Digital BW] spectratones

2002-10-17 by Julian Thomas

Thanks Martin, will do.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] spectratones


> Julian,
>
> Allen sent me some sample prints but I can't seem to locate them at the
> moment. I do have a print he sent in one of the exchanges. The metamerism
is
> mild to non-existent in this print from a 3000 on a glossy paper. Very
> neutral in daylight and shifting towards magenta-red warm under tungsten
but
> nice looking in both and in mixed lighting.
>
> The 3000 print and sample on glossy paper do show some dot pattern in the
> highlights as you might suspect. I remember that the 1200 example was much
> smoother and pretty much dot free as was the 3000 prints on a watercolor
> paper.
>
> I always thought this was a good ink set, especially for people who wanted
> to use glossy papers. If they had done a set of RGB separation curves for
> the 1160 and 1280 for Epson and Hahnemuhle papers I suspect they might
have
> sold more ink. I know I would have given it a try.
>
> Contact Allen and see if he will send you some samples.
>
> Martin Wesley
>
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] spectratones
>
>
> > Yeah I know Martin. I thought I might buy a batch in bulk and try an rgb
> > workflow. Both the BW inks and the colour inks really have suffered from
> an
> > over-emphasis on longevity claims IMO. I'm looking for semi matte for
both
> > colour and BW with the same lifespan as a C-type. What was the
metamerism
> > like?
> >
> > Julian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 8:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] spectratones
> >
> >
> > > Julian,
> > >
> > > My first comment is that they are taking them off the market and are
> > > currently just selling their remaining stock. They sent me sample
prints
> a
> > > year ago and I like the tone of the inks but there were only work
flows
> > for
> > > the 1200 and the 3000 on their site. Very nice results on RC papers
not
> so
> > > sure how they would look on matte papers.
> > >
> > > Martin Wesley
> > >
> > > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:52 AM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] spectratones
> > >
> > >
> > > > has anyone seen or used Lincoln inks spectratones? Any comments?
> > > >
> > > > Julian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
> and
> > > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > > >
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