Digital BW, The Print

Some of the people who participate in the Epson9000 list are 
planning a very casual get-together during the PhotoExpo. I can't 
officially invite you guys on this list without their permission, but it 
occurred to me that some of you would want to be there as well.

It's set for Friday, November 1st, at 3pm, at a loft on the west 
side, very close to Javitts. Everyone is bringing a print or two; 
RIPs vs. Epson driver, etc; you know the drill. Another guy is 
bringing some prints from a 2200 that he's using to 
contract-proof a CMYK project that he's working on. Should be 
interesting.

I'll ask the organizer of the party to see if we can extend it to the 
BW List; doubt there would be a problem, as long as you guys 
behave yourselves, and dont' go on and on about quad curves 
and such. If it's ok with him, I'll announce the place at the last 
minute (kinda like a Rave Party, but you'll have to bring your own 
X).

The spirit of it is "contribute", so bring a print to share if you plan 
on coming. Dont' show up with a bunch of questions, without 
bringing something to the table yourself.

You can send me something off-list if you're interested.

-Mark Tucker, http://marktucker.com/

mtucker508@...

> I'll ask the organizer of the party to see if we can extend it to the 
> BW List; doubt there would be a problem, as long as you guys 
> behave yourselves, and dont' go on and on about quad curves 
> and such. If it's ok with him, I'll announce the place at the last 
> minute (kinda like a Rave Party, but you'll have to bring your own 
> X).

> -Mark Tucker, http://marktucker.com/

Yeah I'd like to go but I hear the dress code is a drag!

John (aka-johanna)

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...> 
wrote:
> It's set for Friday, November 1st, at 3pm

Sounds very good, but the timing is a bit tough.  Andrew Rodney's 
seminar at the expo on color management is that day at 3:45-5:45, and 
I'm very much looking foward to meeting the digital dog. ;)  


Dan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Dan Honemann" 
<dan_honemann@y...> wrote:
> Sounds very good, but the timing is a bit tough.  Andrew 
Rodney's 
> seminar at the expo on color management is that day at 
3:45-5:45, and 
> I'm very much looking foward to meeting the digital dog. ;)  



Once Andrew finds out that they booked him during our 
get-together, then I'm sure the first call of his day will be to the 
PhotoExpo people, to move the class.

Since it's right after Halloween, you don't think Andrew would 
want to miss the "bobbing for Epson cartridges in dry-ice tubs" or 
strippers throwing samples of PhotoRag out of their G-Strings, 
do you?

The rules of Javitts are much more restrictive than an eighth-floor 
loft on the west side. (Boy, I can talk the talk can't I?... It'll probably 
turn out to be about ten or twelve overweight old farts like me, 
sitting around a card table, passing around a couple of 8x10's. 
We'll probably end up watching reruns of a Bob Vila show, and 
drooling over the power tools. That's living the High Life in New 
York City, huh?...)

MT, http://marktucker.com/

Hello all,

I've just discovered this list and I'm just starting to get into 
printing black and white on my Epson 1280. I'm trying to figure out 
which way to start first - Piezography or MIS/Lyson Inks (pardon my 
ignorance if I have my terms mixed up). I was wondering if anyone could 
point me to a FAQ, links, etc... that could give me opinions for each 
method as well as personal experiences using the 1280 for B&W.

Thanks muchly,
Chris.

--
chris_rudolph@...

I suggest you run a search on the list. You'll find dozens of threads 
(and differing opinions) that address your questions. As a side note, 
you might consider taking the middleground and use the Piezo system 
with MIS FS inks. Many have reported good results going this route.

Chris



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Chris Rudolph 
<chris_rudolph@m...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I've just discovered this list and I'm just starting to get into 
> printing black and white on my Epson 1280. I'm trying to figure out 
> which way to start first - Piezography or MIS/Lyson Inks (pardon my 
> ignorance if I have my terms mixed up). I was wondering if anyone 
could 
> point me to a FAQ, links, etc... that could give me opinions for 
each 

> method as well as personal experiences using the 1280 for B&W.
> 
> Thanks muchly,
> Chris.
> 
> --
> chris_rudolph@m...

Chris,

look into our files section (by coming to the group home page) for some info. 
Also check out our links; you can learn a lot by visiting the MIS,  InkjetMall  
and piezography.com sites. Also look at on-line resellers like inkjetgoodies, 
Digital Art supplies, Mediastreet and others. That should give you a good 
picture.

Be prepared for the current realities: What was once a bundled solution of 
software and inks sold by InkjetMall has disbanded into several products sold 
by several entities. 

The original plug-in made by R9 and sold as part of piezographyBW is now 
sold on its own.  Its profiles were intended for the original piezo inks but may 
work for MIS and the new Piezotones. No new profiles are made for new 
(non-Sundance) inks. 

The original piezography inks are now sold as Sundance inks. InkjetMall has 
new inks under development, mostly promising except for the original 
Piezotone black which fades very quickly. MIS has cheaper inks that work 
very well but also fade and warm shift to a certain extent. The Lyson inks you 
mention are from yet another company, are dyes (as far as I know) and need 
specially coated sheets to work. I don't know many on this list who use them.

The general wisdom is that if you want to try inks, use carts. If you have settled 
on what inks you like and want to get going use a CIS (at least one is made by 
nomorecarts.com and sold by inkjetmall, inkjetgoodies and others).

Also, generally speaking, Epson Enhanced Matte is a good cheap paper for 
playing around and gets good black with these inks. For serious work, the 
expensive Hahnemuhle papers (notaby PhotoRag, German Etching/Orwell 
and others) give among the best results. Other popular papers include the 
Sommersets and Legion papers in general. No glossy or semi-gloss is likely 
to work without spray coating. Coating in general (by spray, brush or rod) is a 
whole other can of worms you will eventually run across if you want the 
deepest black out of matte papers.

Beyond that, you'll have to form your own opinions. So, welcome to the most 
promising, chaotic phase of digital bw printing we have seen yet. A lot is 
under way; no easy, single solution that I can think of, satisfies everyone.

Antonis





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Chris Rudolph 
<chris_rudolph@m...> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I've just discovered this list and I'm just starting to get into 
> printing black and white on my Epson 1280. I'm trying to figure out 
> which way to start first - Piezography or MIS/Lyson Inks (pardon my 
> ignorance if I have my terms mixed up). I was wondering if anyone could 
> point me to a FAQ, links, etc... that could give me opinions for each 
> method as well as personal experiences using the 1280 for B&W.
> 
> Thanks muchly,
> Chris.
> 
> --
> chris_rudolph@m...