Digital BW, The Print

Hi Carolyn,

I am new to printing and most of what you have been discussing is 
over my head. However, am I correct in this post that you print 
duotones? I am printing selenium-toned duotones with some adjustment 
in the curve box beside the color. Do you print any selenium type 
duotones that you like and wouldn't mind sharing? My site url is at 
the bottom of this post so you can see the type of images that I use 
for my printing. Any help you care to give will be most appreciated. 
It seems that most people prefer straight b/w as opposed to the type 
of printing I do. Consequently, when anyone mentions duotones they 
immediately get my attention. Thank you.

Regards,


Tim

www.portraitsofnature.net

Hi Tim,

No, over your head is "talking" on a list with amazing photographers when
you only take photos of your kids/dogs/flowers etc.

I've visited your site before, your images are beautiful... serene.  What
printer are you using?  I really like duo-tones with Epson inks but on my
2000P I do not have great luck getting a nice print without the green issue.
(others do though) With the dye inks I can get a lovely print, just no
longevity.  I prefer duo/tri/quad tones for a lot of my personal images but
I've never seen a true selenium toned photograph so cannot offer a curve set
that would match that tone.

I take it from your post that you are using the duotone presets, have you
tried the tri or quad tones?  I prefer using the grayscale/duotone(tri
quad)/rgb procedure for any sharper, clear images because the prints have
the crispness that they deserve. (the colors map better) For softer,
textured images sometimes I'll use the Hue/Saturation sliders with
"colorize" checked. Have you played with that?

Sorry, I'm not much help... It's usually a matter of playing with the curves
in the presets as you've described until you achieve the tone you like.

Best,
Carolyn

> I am new to printing and most of what you have been discussing is
> over my head. However, am I correct in this post that you print
> duotones? I am printing selenium-toned duotones with some adjustment
> in the curve box beside the color. Do you print any selenium type
> duotones that you like and wouldn't mind sharing? My site url is at
> the bottom of this post so you can see the type of images that I use
> for my printing. Any help you care to give will be most appreciated.
> It seems that most people prefer straight b/w as opposed to the type
> of printing I do. Consequently, when anyone mentions duotones they
> immediately get my attention. Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
> www.portraitsofnature.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

I have done some serious selenium toning on silver prints. Where can I see
your work Carolyn? I could tell you how they compare. I'll try and find
something to scan.
trish
ternahan@...

> From: Carolyn  Frayn <carolyn@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:45:03 -0600
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 4 Carolyn Frayn
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> No, over your head is "talking" on a list with amazing photographers when
> you only take photos of your kids/dogs/flowers etc.
> 
> I've visited your site before, your images are beautiful... serene.  What
> printer are you using?  I really like duo-tones with Epson inks but on my
> 2000P I do not have great luck getting a nice print without the green issue.
> (others do though) With the dye inks I can get a lovely print, just no
> longevity.  I prefer duo/tri/quad tones for a lot of my personal images but
> I've never seen a true selenium toned photograph so cannot offer a curve set
> that would match that tone.
> 
> I take it from your post that you are using the duotone presets, have you
> tried the tri or quad tones?  I prefer using the grayscale/duotone(tri
> quad)/rgb procedure for any sharper, clear images because the prints have
> the crispness that they deserve. (the colors map better) For softer,
> textured images sometimes I'll use the Hue/Saturation sliders with
> "colorize" checked. Have you played with that?
> 
> Sorry, I'm not much help... It's usually a matter of playing with the curves
> in the presets as you've described until you achieve the tone you like.
> 
> Best,
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> 
>> I am new to printing and most of what you have been discussing is
>> over my head. However, am I correct in this post that you print
>> duotones? I am printing selenium-toned duotones with some adjustment
>> in the curve box beside the color. Do you print any selenium type
>> duotones that you like and wouldn't mind sharing? My site url is at
>> the bottom of this post so you can see the type of images that I use
>> for my printing. Any help you care to give will be most appreciated.
>> It seems that most people prefer straight b/w as opposed to the type
>> of printing I do. Consequently, when anyone mentions duotones they
>> immediately get my attention. Thank you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> www.portraitsofnature.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>> other
>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
>

that is after I get my newly partitioned drive working again!
trish
ternahan@...

> From: Carolyn  Frayn <carolyn@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:45:03 -0600
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 4 Carolyn Frayn
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> No, over your head is "talking" on a list with amazing photographers when
> you only take photos of your kids/dogs/flowers etc.
> 
> I've visited your site before, your images are beautiful... serene.  What
> printer are you using?  I really like duo-tones with Epson inks but on my
> 2000P I do not have great luck getting a nice print without the green issue.
> (others do though) With the dye inks I can get a lovely print, just no
> longevity.  I prefer duo/tri/quad tones for a lot of my personal images but
> I've never seen a true selenium toned photograph so cannot offer a curve set
> that would match that tone.
> 
> I take it from your post that you are using the duotone presets, have you
> tried the tri or quad tones?  I prefer using the grayscale/duotone(tri
> quad)/rgb procedure for any sharper, clear images because the prints have
> the crispness that they deserve. (the colors map better) For softer,
> textured images sometimes I'll use the Hue/Saturation sliders with
> "colorize" checked. Have you played with that?
> 
> Sorry, I'm not much help... It's usually a matter of playing with the curves
> in the presets as you've described until you achieve the tone you like.
> 
> Best,
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> 
>> I am new to printing and most of what you have been discussing is
>> over my head. However, am I correct in this post that you print
>> duotones? I am printing selenium-toned duotones with some adjustment
>> in the curve box beside the color. Do you print any selenium type
>> duotones that you like and wouldn't mind sharing? My site url is at
>> the bottom of this post so you can see the type of images that I use
>> for my printing. Any help you care to give will be most appreciated.
>> It seems that most people prefer straight b/w as opposed to the type
>> of printing I do. Consequently, when anyone mentions duotones they
>> immediately get my attention. Thank you.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> Tim
>> 
>> www.portraitsofnature.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
>> other
>> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>> 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other
> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
>

Trish,

Would you please scan an example to the list so I can see it as well? 
I'm very interested in selenium toning. Thank you.

Regards,

Tim

www.portraitsofnature.net













--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ternahan <ternahan@s...> 
wrote:
> I have done some serious selenium toning on silver prints. Where 
can I see
> your work Carolyn? I could tell you how they compare. I'll try and 
find
> something to scan.
> trish
> ternahan@g...
> 
> 
> > From: Carolyn  Frayn <carolyn@u...>
> > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:45:03 -0600
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 4 Carolyn Frayn
> > 
> > Hi Tim,
> > 
> > No, over your head is "talking" on a list with amazing 
photographers when
> > you only take photos of your kids/dogs/flowers etc.
> > 
> > I've visited your site before, your images are beautiful... 
serene.  What
> > printer are you using?  I really like duo-tones with Epson inks 
but on my
> > 2000P I do not have great luck getting a nice print without the 
green issue.
> > (others do though) With the dye inks I can get a lovely print, 
just no
> > longevity.  I prefer duo/tri/quad tones for a lot of my personal 
images but
> > I've never seen a true selenium toned photograph so cannot offer 
a curve set
> > that would match that tone.
> > 
> > I take it from your post that you are using the duotone presets, 
have you
> > tried the tri or quad tones?  I prefer using the grayscale/duotone
(tri
> > quad)/rgb procedure for any sharper, clear images because the 
prints have
> > the crispness that they deserve. (the colors map better) For 
softer,
> > textured images sometimes I'll use the Hue/Saturation sliders with
> > "colorize" checked. Have you played with that?
> > 
> > Sorry, I'm not much help... It's usually a matter of playing with 
the curves
> > in the presets as you've described until you achieve the tone you 
like.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Carolyn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> I am new to printing and most of what you have been discussing is
> >> over my head. However, am I correct in this post that you print
> >> duotones? I am printing selenium-toned duotones with some 
adjustment
> >> in the curve box beside the color. Do you print any selenium type
> >> duotones that you like and wouldn't mind sharing? My site url is 
at
> >> the bottom of this post so you can see the type of images that I 
use
> >> for my printing. Any help you care to give will be most 
appreciated.
> >> It seems that most people prefer straight b/w as opposed to the 
type
> >> of printing I do. Consequently, when anyone mentions duotones 
they
> >> immediately get my attention. Thank you.
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Tim
> >> 
> >> www.portraitsofnature.net
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> >> other
> >> resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >> 
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > 
> >

Hi Carolyn,

Thank you for the kind words. I use a 1280 with OEM inks for the 
moment. I will be shifting to MIS archival color in a few weeks, as 
soon as their color cartridges arrive.
 Yes I use the PS6.01 canned duotones and then play with the color 
curve until I like the result. Then I save the curve to use again. I 
don't save my website images in duotone, they just have minor 
corrections and cropping. My duotones are used only for printing. If 
you have any suggestions, any and all help is appreciated. 
 There are many on this list who have been very helpful.I appreciate 
their help and patience very much. Thank you.

Kindest regards,

Tim

www.portraitsofnature.net















--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Carolyn  Frayn 
<carolyn@u...> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> No, over your head is "talking" on a list with amazing 
photographers when
> you only take photos of your kids/dogs/flowers etc.
> 
> I've visited your site before, your images are beautiful... 
serene.  What
> printer are you using?  I really like duo-tones with Epson inks but 
on my
> 2000P I do not have great luck getting a nice print without the 
green issue.
> (others do though) With the dye inks I can get a lovely print, just 
no
> longevity.  I prefer duo/tri/quad tones for a lot of my personal 
images but
> I've never seen a true selenium toned photograph so cannot offer a 
curve set
> that would match that tone.
> 
> I take it from your post that you are using the duotone presets, 
have you
> tried the tri or quad tones?  I prefer using the grayscale/duotone
(tri
> quad)/rgb procedure for any sharper, clear images because the 
prints have
> the crispness that they deserve. (the colors map better) For softer,
> textured images sometimes I'll use the Hue/Saturation sliders with
> "colorize" checked. Have you played with that?
> 
> Sorry, I'm not much help... It's usually a matter of playing with 
the curves
> in the presets as you've described until you achieve the tone you 
like.
> 
> Best,
> Carolyn
> 
> 
> 
> > I am new to printing and most of what you have been discussing is
> > over my head. However, am I correct in this post that you print
> > duotones? I am printing selenium-toned duotones with some 
adjustment
> > in the curve box beside the color. Do you print any selenium type
> > duotones that you like and wouldn't mind sharing? My site url is 
at
> > the bottom of this post so you can see the type of images that I 
use
> > for my printing. Any help you care to give will be most 
appreciated.
> > It seems that most people prefer straight b/w as opposed to the 
type
> > of printing I do. Consequently, when anyone mentions duotones they
> > immediately get my attention. Thank you.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > www.portraitsofnature.net
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> Trish,
> Would you please scan an example to the list so I can see it as 
well? 


David Michael Kennedy works a lot in platinum and palladium. 
You can view many small web images on his site. There's also a 
good  platinum infosheet under his Reference section. He 
teaches also at the Santa Fe workshop.
http://www.davidmichaelkennedy.com/

Also, Rod Cook works in platinum. I've seen his prints in 
NewOrleans:
http://www.rodcook.com/

-MT

Thank you Mark. 

They remind me of a sepia tone which I like for some of my images. 
For many of them, though, I like a blue/black look to the shadows 
while retaining as much of the white as I can. The mid grey's I would 
like to be as rich as possible but have never been satisfied to date 
with them. That is why I keep hoping to find someone that has 
realized this richness and wouldn't mind sharing their success. I 
actually use a purple/black combination which works quite well.

Tim

www.portraitsofnature.net













--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...> 
wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., tyork@a... wrote:
> > Trish,
> > Would you please scan an example to the list so I can see it as 
> well? 
> 
> 
> David Michael Kennedy works a lot in platinum and palladium. 
> You can view many small web images on his site. There's also a 
> good  platinum infosheet under his Reference section. He 
> teaches also at the Santa Fe workshop.
> http://www.davidmichaelkennedy.com/
> 
> Also, Rod Cook works in platinum. I've seen his prints in 
> NewOrleans:
> http://www.rodcook.com/
> 
> -MT

Thanks Trish...    I'll get some stuff up on my site soon.  Hope the hard
drive is working!

Carolyn

> 
> I have done some serious selenium toning on silver prints. Where can I see
> your work Carolyn? I could tell you how they compare. I'll try and find
> something to scan.
> trish
> ternahan@...