Digital BW, The Print

Andr\ufffd, Try this:


first do a couple normal cleanings.  Then remove the cartridges, turn
them upside down and set them on the printer.  Get a syringe, and mix a
solution of 1 part ammonia and 9 parts water.  Squirt it through the
affected print head nipples directly. You may not need to use a needle,
depending on the size ofour syringe. It may fit the nipple almost
exactly.  Squirt about 20 or 30 cc's of solution through the black
printhead. Be sure you have a towel under the printhead to catch the crud.

Then, you can try this, which usually works on any clog. (in combination
with the above).  

send the printheads to the far left of the printer and unplug the
printer.  Soak a single paper towel in the ammonia water solution and
wring it out.  Fold it over on itself many times, so you have about a 1
inch by 12 inch paper towel.  Put this in the trough that the heads run
along. Pull the heads back and forth over the towel many times.  Repeat
with another towel. Repeat with a third. And maybe a fourth towel.

THis will clear all the gunk under the heads.  Then do a couple more
normal cleanings with the printer software. These 2 methods have ALWAYS
worked  for me though.

Jerry

Andr\ufffd Vallejo wrote:

> 
> Hi.
> Just  back from a two weeks travel to Cuba,and as I was afraid,the BW
> printer (Epson 980,MIS CFS,MIS VM-Inks) clogged,specially the yellow head.
> Just run a dozen of  -3 cleaning cycles+nozzle checks+purge pattern print-
> routine,but still bad nozzle checks. What next?
> Thanks,
> Andr\ufffd
> 
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Andr\ufffd

If you have some original Epson cartridges around stick them in and do some
nozzle checks and cleaning cycles. The Epson inks make great cleaning
cartridges. You also might want to leave Epson cartridges in the printer
when it will go unused for a long period of time, although I would not
consider 2 weeks very long having left printers for double that without
problems. With the Epson inks in a printer I have restarted printers that
have sat for as long as 14 months unused.

Martin Wesley

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andr\ufffd Vallejo" <avs@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Clogged head


> Hi.
> Just  back from a two weeks travel to Cuba,and as I was afraid,the BW
> printer (Epson 980,MIS CFS,MIS VM-Inks) clogged,specially the yellow head.
> Just run a dozen of  -3 cleaning cycles+nozzle checks+purge pattern print-
> routine,but still bad nozzle checks. What next?
> Thanks,
> Andr\ufffd
>
>
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> André
> 
<snip>

 although I would 
not
> consider 2 weeks very long having left printers for double that 
without
> problems.<snip>
> 
> Martin Wesley
> 
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

Martin, you live in Florida right? How's the price of real estate out 
there anyway? Hmmm<GG>
Jim H.

> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "André Vallejo" <avs@p...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:03 AM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Clogged head
> 
> 
> > Hi.
> > Just  back from a two weeks travel to Cuba,and as I was afraid,the 
BW
> > printer (Epson 980,MIS CFS,MIS VM-Inks) clogged,specially the 
yellow head.
> > Just run a dozen of  -3 cleaning cycles+nozzle checks+purge 
pattern print-
> > routine,but still bad nozzle checks. What next?
> > Thanks,
> > André
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> >
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> >
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----- Original Message -----

From: "jim hayes" <jimhayes@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clogged head


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Andr\ufffd
>
<snip>

 although I would
not
> consider 2 weeks very long having left printers for double that
without
> problems.<snip>
>
> Martin Wesley
>
> http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html

Martin, you live in Florida right? How's the price of real estate out
there anyway? Hmmm<GG>
Jim H.

Jim,

Fortunately not. <G> I am in San Jose in Silicon Valley south of San
Francisco. Average price of a house in my area is a bit off from last year
and has dropped to I believe $480,000. It's a good thing I own my house
since I couldn't afford to buy it now!

The climate is semi-arid and the humidity stays comfortably low but never
hits the lows you encounter. I wish we could figure out why I seem to have
pretty good luck in the clogging department, while being somewhat neglectful
of my printers, and you seem to be endlessly plagued with problems in spite
of rigorous maintenance. There must be some less permeable materials for the
tubing and bottles.

Martin Wesley

I've also had few clogging problems with my 1160 -- I live in Santa 
Cruz, CA -- even though I've left it unused for close to three weeks 
at time with the VM CFS in. My big test will be when I use my printer 
again after having it in storage for about 2 months. I'm following 
these threads closely...picking up tips that may come in handy.

Chris
 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim hayes" <jimhayes@f...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clogged head
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > André
> >
> <snip>
> 
>  although I would
> not
> > consider 2 weeks very long having left printers for double that
> without
> > problems.<snip>
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> >
> > http://www.borderless-photos.de/guests.html
> 
> Martin, you live in Florida right? How's the price of real estate 
out
> there anyway? Hmmm<GG>
> Jim H.
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Fortunately not. <G> I am in San Jose in Silicon Valley south of San
> Francisco. Average price of a house in my area is a bit off from 
last year
> and has dropped to I believe $480,000. It's a good thing I own my 
house
> since I couldn't afford to buy it now!
> 
> The climate is semi-arid and the humidity stays comfortably low but 
never
> hits the lows you encounter. I wish we could figure out why I seem 
to have
> pretty good luck in the clogging department, while being somewhat 
neglectful
> of my printers, and you seem to be endlessly plagued with problems 
in spite
> of rigorous maintenance. There must be some less permeable 
materials for the

> tubing and bottles.
> 
> Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim hayes" <jimhayes@f...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Clogged head
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley"
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > André
> >
> <snip>
> 
>  although I would
> not
> > consider 2 weeks very long having left printers for double that
> without
> > problems.<snip>
> >
> > Martin Wesley
> >
<snip>
> 
> Jim,
> 
<snip>

> The climate is semi-arid and the humidity stays comfortably low but 
never
> hits the lows you encounter. I wish we could figure out why I seem 
to have
> pretty good luck in the clogging department, while being somewhat 
neglectful
> of my printers, and you seem to be endlessly plagued with problems 
in spite
> of rigorous maintenance. There must be some less permeable materials 
for the
> tubing and bottles.
> 
> Martin Wesley

I don't know...maybe my 20%RH/3 week off experience that killed a 
printhead with MIS VM just made me gunshy and I have been 
overcompensating ever since. That was with a CIS.  That post from the 
guy in Utah who left his printer off for 2 1/2 weeks has me doubting 
reality too. Yet there has to be some correlation- both MIS and Cone 
have noticed one. MIS states so in their CFS directions so it could be 
related to that. And I have been doing nozzle checks and cleaning as 
nessecary twice a day since January and do note problems below 35%RH. 
I can't say that it is a hard spec, as it sometimes still worked well 
in the low 30's, but in general more cleanings were needed. As I 
posted before 40%RH or above seems best. And six months of these 
observations were with carts- removing CFS/CIS from the variables.

The few days that I missed the 12 hour cycle (i.e. I waited 24 hours 
between printer turn ons) I tended to have a tougher time clearing the 
nozzles.

Or perhaps as you suggested once there is individual variation in 
performance of printers- and I just have a marginal one.

I remain very puzzled by this. I don't want to give out humidity/temp 
specs if they only apply to me, that would be false information. I can 
say that in my climate there clearly start to be problems using a CFS 
over carts after about 6-10 weeks because there is a manyfold increase 
in  frequency of clogging problems, although they can still be cleared 
with three cleanings max or at worst, drops on the parking pad trick. 
And this in the most humid part of the year to just a little drier. I 
used a humidifier only toward the end of the period to keep above 
about 38%RH. And I now get increased mottling on Eclipse of 100%k. I 
have Epson carts back in now and they work like a charm of course as 
far as no clogs go.

Sometime next week I'll have some new non CFS VM carts filled and 
installed to see if the mottling disapears.
Jim H.

>
>I don't know...maybe my 20%RH/3 week off experience that killed a
>printhead with MIS VM just made me gunshy and I have been
>overcompensating ever since. That was with a CIS.  That post from the
>guy in Utah who left his printer off for 2 1/2 weeks has me doubting
>reality too. Yet there has to be some correlation- both MIS and Cone
>have noticed one. MIS states so in their CFS directions so it could be
>related to that. And I have been doing nozzle checks and cleaning as
>nessecary twice a day since January and do note problems below 35%RH.
>I can't say that it is a hard spec, as it sometimes still worked well
>in the low 30's, but in general more cleanings were needed. As I
>posted before 40%RH or above seems best. And six months of these
>observations were with carts- removing CFS/CIS from the variables.
>
>The few days that I missed the 12 hour cycle (i.e. I waited 24 hours
>between printer turn ons) I tended to have a tougher time clearing the
>nozzles.
>
>Or perhaps as you suggested once there is individual variation in
>performance of printers- and I just have a marginal one.
>
>I remain very puzzled by this. I don't want to give out humidity/temp
>specs if they only apply to me, that would be false information. I can
>say that in my climate there clearly start to be problems using a CFS
>over carts after about 6-10 weeks because there is a manyfold increase
>in  frequency of clogging problems, although they can still be cleared
>with three cleanings max or at worst, drops on the parking pad trick.
>And this in the most humid part of the year to just a little drier. I
>used a humidifier only toward the end of the period to keep above
>about 38%RH. And I now get increased mottling on Eclipse of 100%k. I
>have Epson carts back in now and they work like a charm of course as
>far as no clogs go.
>
>Sometime next week I'll have some new non CFS VM carts filled and
>installed to see if the mottling disapears.
>Jim H. 


Jim,

I seem to remember you having posted that you live in Colorado. I'm 
in Evergreen at 8500' and am running a 1280 with a No More Carts CIS 
and MIS VM inks. Aside from a clog when I first installed the CIS, 
I've had no problems, and the printer routinely sits for 2 week 
periods. Do you think altitude comes into play. At what elevation are 
you?


Kevin




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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Kevin Masten <kmasten@i...> 
wrote:
<snip>
 I 
can
> >say that in my climate there clearly start to be problems using a 
CFS
> >over carts after about 6-10 weeks because there is a manyfold 
increase
> >in  frequency of clogging problems, although they can still be 
cleared
> >with three cleanings max or at worst, drops on the parking pad 
trick.
> >And this in the most humid part of the year to just a little drier. 
I
> >used a humidifier only toward the end of the period to keep above
> >about 38%RH. And I now get increased mottling on Eclipse of 100%k. 
<snip>

> Jim,
> 
> I seem to remember you having posted that you live in Colorado. I'm 
> in Evergreen at 8500' and am running a 1280 with a No More Carts CIS 
> and MIS VM inks. Aside from a clog when I first installed the CIS, 
> I've had no problems, and the printer routinely sits for 2 week 
> periods. Do you think altitude comes into play. At what elevation 
are 
> you?
> 
> 
> Kevin
> 

Kevin,

I had considered this as a possibility, but AFAIK, it should all be 
relative- at least the pressure inside the cart equals that outside 
the cart. I live north of you about 50 miles and am jammed right into 
the start of the eastern slope foothills, so I'm effectively at 5000 
feet, at most 5200 ft.

If I dismiss my environment as the cause, that only leaves two 
possibilities: individual printhead variation from one 1280 to 
another, or my own perception of the problem as worse than it is- a 
little hard to swallow as I can track tendancy to clog with humidity 
and CFS use with hands on experience.<shrug> 

You have no problems with a CIS at 8500 feet. You also use VM inkset, 
which I have just learned from Paul has about the most volatle carrier 
of any inkset in the k ink. You use the same model printer, and pretty 
much the same workflow. The air pressure where I am is 82% of sea 
level. I think where you are is roughly 73% of sea level. (if I did 
the math right).
You let your printer sit for much longer than I do with no problems.

I don't understand this. Do you know what the humidity and temperature 
runs in the vicinity of the printer throught the year? Do you air 
condition or use an humidifier? How long in general will a set of 4 oz 
bottles last before you need to replace/refill? Do you notice deposits 
of k ink inside bottle (it might be hard to see them in tubing since 
it usually has ink in it). 

Sorry for all the questions. You are now the 2nd person that lives 
close to my vicinity (other person in Utah, my fav state to 
photograph<g>) that has no problems to speak of. If I learn as much as 
I can of your operating conditions it may help me judge if I've been 
chasing my tail with this humidity/ CFS evaporation speculation, 
giving out incorrect info or not. Martin is far away but reports he 
lives in a dry climate as well.

It would be really nice if I dared to just let my 1280 sit for say, 
two weeks or more and discovered that little cleaning was needed to 
clear it. Maybe turn the humidifier off. An expensive experiment 
however, if proved wrong.
Jim H.

I have been using  sets of user filled carts with MIS FSe for about a 2 months with very little printing- but with never a cleaning cycle required. A head test yesterday was perfect. 
I live in Florida ; I keep the printer covered (to keep the cat out !). 

I am wondering if a good vinyl cover over the printer might stabilize the humidity and minimize some of the printing problems being experienced by others ???  Could then get one of the temp/humid units from Radio Shack and keep the humidity at some level (70%) via a damp sponge in a small plastic bottle, etc....

Best,
Alex

>Kevin,
>
>I had considered this as a possibility, but AFAIK, it should all be
>relative- at least the pressure inside the cart equals that outside
>the cart. I live north of you about 50 miles and am jammed right into
>the start of the eastern slope foothills, so I'm effectively at 5000
>feet, at most 5200 ft.
>
>If I dismiss my environment as the cause, that only leaves two
>possibilities: individual printhead variation from one 1280 to
>another, or my own perception of the problem as worse than it is- a
>little hard to swallow as I can track tendancy to clog with humidity
>and CFS use with hands on experience.<shrug>
>
>You have no problems with a CIS at 8500 feet. You also use VM inkset,
>which I have just learned from Paul has about the most volatle carrier
>of any inkset in the k ink. You use the same model printer, and pretty
>much the same workflow. The air pressure where I am is 82% of sea
>level. I think where you are is roughly 73% of sea level. (if I did
>the math right).
>You let your printer sit for much longer than I do with no problems.
>
>I don't understand this. Do you know what the humidity and temperature
>runs in the vicinity of the printer throught the year? Do you air
>condition or use an humidifier? How long in general will a set of 4 oz
>bottles last before you need to replace/refill? Do you notice deposits
>of k ink inside bottle (it might be hard to see them in tubing since
>it usually has ink in it).
>
>Sorry for all the questions. You are now the 2nd person that lives
>close to my vicinity (other person in Utah, my fav state to
>photograph<g>) that has no problems to speak of. If I learn as much as
>I can of your operating conditions it may help me judge if I've been
>chasing my tail with this humidity/ CFS evaporation speculation,
>giving out incorrect info or not. Martin is far away but reports he
>lives in a dry climate as well.
>
>It would be really nice if I dared to just let my 1280 sit for say,
>two weeks or more and discovered that little cleaning was needed to
>clear it. Maybe turn the humidifier off. An expensive experiment
>however, if proved wrong.


Jim,

I don't have AC. I've got a small humidifier unit, but only run it in 
the winter and then in the bedroom and not my office. I've had the 
CIS up and running for about a year and am just getting ready to 
re-fill the bottles.

I tend to keep the temps in the house cool; windows open in the 
summer and mid to upper 60's in the winter. Inside RH probably tracks 
with outside RH. Currently 43% -- I used to live in the Midwest and 
DC, so I tend not to pay much attention to humidity now <g>.

I can't tell if there are any deposits in the K tubes. I did have one 
clog when I set-up the CFS that took probably 50 cleaning cycles to 
clear. It may have been the K position, but I don't remember for sure.


Kevin






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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "B. Alex Pettit Jr." 
<a_pettit_jr@y...> wrote:
> I have been using  sets of user filled carts with MIS FSe for about 
a 2 months with very little printing- but with never a cleaning cycle 
required. A head test yesterday was perfect. 
> I live in Florida ; I keep the printer covered (to keep the cat out 
!). 
> 
> I am wondering if a good vinyl cover over the printer might 
stabilize the humidity and minimize some of the printing problems 
being experienced by others ???  Could then get one of the temp/humid 
units from Radio Shack and keep the humidity at some level (70%) via a 
damp sponge in a small plastic bottle, etc....
> 
> Best,
> Alex

Actually, this has been recommended by people at various times in the 
past, you almost got their procedure exact. Most get an oversize cover 
 and put a dish or bowl of water under it. I disagreed with the 
approach and never tried it because I couldn't get around a few 
issues:
1) the smaller the volume humidified, the harder it is to stabilize. 
If I wanted to target 38-45%RH for example, it is easier to do in a 
large room then in a display case because variations would be absorbed 
by the larger air mass (just my own personal reasoning, a musuem 
curator may have a better handle on this).
2) Any hygrometer placed under the tent would be more likely to be 
innacurate (not made to measure in a small space).
3) Condensation on the printer is more of an issue which could 
prematurely upset the electronics (again my opinion, I don't know how 
one would go about proving or disproving this without risking 
printer).
4) When the cover is removed for printing, there would be a large 
change in environment suddenly. However, I have to temper this 
statement with the rule of thumb we used when I tested products for 
HP....generally in an average room you have to allow 24 hours for any 
internal humidity level INSide a product (and the hygrometer) to 
stabilize. We had chambers we would test products in and we waited 1 
1/2 hours for temperature stabilzation but 24 hours for RH 
stabilization when torture testing. A small space (suddenly removed, 
i.e. cover whisked off) I guess would equalize to the surrounding room 
more quickly, but I don't know at what rate.

Yet people do use this method so it must have some validity.
I don't think I'd take it as high as 70%RH. 40-50%RH seems quite 
adequate for my printer and Jon Cone hinted that high levels of 
humidity were also detrimental to printing.

Alex, you are another carefree printer! So two people with low 
humidity in or near Colorado have nil problems and a high humidity 
person has no problems also.

I am beginning to suspect that there is more variation printer to 
printer within the same model than I realized. Mine may just be more 
sensitive to environment. Or maybe it's just my perception, 
exagerating the problem as I am rather gunshy of toasting another 
printhead and tend to be conservative in my babying my 1280..
Jim H.
Jim H.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Kevin Masten <kmasten@i...> 
wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I don't have AC. I've got a small humidifier unit, but only run it 
in 
> the winter and then in the bedroom and not my office.

Then if it's a small unit, it probably wouldn't affect another room 
much, whether it has a humistat on it or not.

 I've had the 
> CIS up and running for about a year and am just getting ready to 
> re-fill the bottles.

Ink and CIS one year old...wow, and I get problems with my CFS that 
show up as increased frequency of clogging and defintely visible 
(increase of) mottling of 100%k patch on Eclipse paper after ten weeks 
of use. 

> 
> I tend to keep the temps in the house cool; windows open in the 
> summer and mid to upper 60's in the winter.

We're probably about the same temp then...

 Inside RH probably 
tracks 
> with outside RH. Currently 43% -- I used to live in the Midwest and 
> DC, so I tend not to pay much attention to humidity now <g>.

Every time I cross the 100th meridian in Nebraska I start feeling like 
I'm in a steambath<g>. Apologies to you eastern folks<g>. So your 
humidity fluctuates like mine did before I added a humidifier to the 
room. So you might go from 20-60% depending on time of year and 
weather. And no problems even in winter, hhhmmmm.

> 
> I can't tell if there are any deposits in the K tubes. I did have 
one 
> clog when I set-up the CFS

wait...can you clarify that- above you state you have a CIS which 
would mean it is made by nomorecarts (called sometimes "Niagra"), but 
in this last sentence you call it a CFS- made by MIS. Which is it? 
Could be they use different tubing or carts...

When I think of it I DID have one 1160 that worked flawlessly with a 
CIS with piezo ink for about nine months until the ink went 
non-clogging but printing output bad. And with no humidifier. Another 
1160 with MIS VM on a CIS though went belly up after three weeks of 
non-use. So...one good, one bad 1160 with a CIS at low humidity. And 
the old piezo ink and MIS VM ink shared the same k ink, if Paul is 
still correct.
Printer variation?

The other possibility might be that since I run ink through every 12 
hours to keep it clear, that I pass more ink through the printhead 
than other occasional users and instead of helping it eventually adds 
to the clogging by the shear volume of passing ink particles. Thereby 
causing the problem I'm trying to prevent over the long term. I can't 
think of any other possibilities. 


 that took probably 50 cleaning cycles to 
> clear. It may have been the K position, but I don't remember for 
sure.

Wow, hopefully not 50 cycles in a row...
Anyway, thank you Kevin, your input is valuable to me as your 
"climate" is probably almost an exact duplicate of mine before I added 
the humidifier. I need to think about this somemore.
Jim H.

> 
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
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>  > I can't tell if there are any deposits in the K tubes. I did have
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>>  clog when I set-up the CFS
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>wait...can you clarify that- above you state you have a CIS which
>would mean it is made by nomorecarts (called sometimes "Niagra"), but
>in this last sentence you call it a CFS- made by MIS. Which is it?
>Could be they use different tubing or carts...

It's a CIS made by No More Carts.



Kevin




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