Digital BW, The Print

Paul wrote:

<<I'm trying to get some samples of roll ESFA.  The sheets are too thick for
my 3000.  However, the roll 225 thickness might work.>>

Paul,

I'd really appreciate hearing from you if you succeed in getting the ESFA
roll sample to test in the 3000. I'm able to get the sheets through my 1280,
but haven't even bothered trying it in the 3000 since even the Photo Rag 308
isn't handled very well in that printer.

Tom Keesling
Intelligent Design, Inc.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Thomas Keesling" 
<tom.keesling@a...> wrote:
> I'd really appreciate hearing from you if you succeed in getting 
the ESFA
> roll sample to test in the 3000. I'm able to get the sheets 
through my 1280,
> but haven't even bothered trying it in the 3000 since even the 
Photo Rag 308
> isn't handled very well in that printer.

---------

Tom,

The actual thickness of those papers you mentioned can be a bit 
misleading. I would say that the ESFA 225 feels about the same 
actual thickness in your hand as the PhotoRag308. I've never 
fully understood how papers get rated, but it would seem more 
accurate, (or maybe more applicable in the real world) if they 
rated them by caliper thickness rather than weight (gsm).

The Eclipse Satine, for example, is rated at 300gsm, but it's 
MUCH thicker in your hand than PhotoRag308.

So I guess I'm just warning you to try the real thing, rather that 
just going by the numbers...

Mark

I just talked to Gregory Schern at InkjetGoodies and he said that the
Eclipse Satin 300 gsm callipered out at 14 mil while the PhotoRag 300
gsm was the same. I haven't seen either paper yet, but I had hoped he
knew what he was talking about and not guessing.

***

The Eclipse Satine, for example, is rated at 300gsm, but it's 
MUCH thicker in your hand than PhotoRag308.

So I guess I'm just warning you to try the real thing, rather that 
just going by the numbers...

Mark

Eclipse satine looks a lot thicker than 14 mil. It is thicker than some
20 mil papers I have seen.

Jerry



Murray Zaharia wrote:

> 
> I just talked to Gregory Schern at InkjetGoodies and he said that the
> Eclipse Satin 300 gsm callipered out at 14 mil while the PhotoRag 300
> gsm was the same. I haven't seen either paper yet, but I had hoped he
> knew what he was talking about and not guessing.
> 
> ***
> 
> The Eclipse Satine, for example, is rated at 300gsm, but it's
> MUCH thicker in your hand than PhotoRag308.
> 
> So I guess I'm just warning you to try the real thing, rather that
> just going by the numbers...
> 
> Mark
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Mark wrote:

<<The actual thickness of those papers you mentioned can be a bit
misleading....I've never fully understood how papers get rated...>>

I'm baffled, too, and wish there were a better way to categorize them. I
suppose the ideal would be to have both the weight and the caliper readily
available on all papers.

Tom Keesling
Intelligent Design, Inc.