Digital BW, The Print

Andy, nomorecarts and inkjet goodies are NOT the same, not even close.
nomorecarts told me this when I asked them about if they were the
makers. 
There are many modifications to the unit
that inkjetgoodies sells. Most are good improvements.  They had a couple
batches of bad cartridges from the manufacturer a few months ago, but I
think that's all fixed now.  They replaced mine, no problems. The only
complaint I have is that the arm that supports the ink lines doesn't go
up at a steep enough angle, and the lines will get caught under the
printhead.  A little piece of 1/4" thick cardboard shoved under the left
side of the arm will fix that.

Jerry

> > Thanks!
> > Scott Jolliff
> 
> Scott, I had no idea that there is such a large difference in
> price.  I chose the Inkjet Goodies because it is a Nomorecarts made
> product with some modifications.  The bottles are rectangular, not
> round.  There is a hole drilled in the shoulder of each bottle so
> that the tube never has to be withdrawn.  There is a crimper which
> is close to the shoulder so that when you add more ink or make some
> change, it is very easy to deal with.  The pump which establishes
> the vacuum is foolproof.  I had imagined that setting up one of
> these systems would be difficult and found that the Inkjetgoodies
> system was so easy to deal with and not messy.  It hasn't given me
> any promlems in 6 months which included changing from MIS to Gen4
> black ink.  Greg has provided 1st class support.  I plan to get
> another one when I get a color printer.
> 
> Andy
> 
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Peter, most people will tell you the nomorecarts is the best made
system, with less installation hassle. The chips always tell the printer
the cartridges are full, so there is no need for a chip resetter. This
alone is worth it.

 Is this just a matter
> of personal preference, or are there empirical differences?
> 
> The bulk feed system does seem to have some nice improvements, for
> example it comes with the acrylic holder, which is sold separately from the
> CIS. And the tubes don't stick out through the caps of the bottles, which I'm
> assuming means you're less likely to get air in them?

If the tubes don't go into the tops of the bottles, it is NOT a
nomorecarts manufactured system.


> 
> I don't have one of these systems yet, and I'm mainly interested in finding
> something that a) isn't going to ruin my 1160 printer, b) is going to print as well
> as pre-filled carts, and c) is cost-effective (ruining my printer or some
> expensive paper would not be cost-effective). Overall, I'm a bit hesitant,
> because these systems seem like they can be a major pain when something
> goes wrong.

They can be, but boy is it nice for the several months they go right.
Clogging problems can almost always be solved. Take a look at the
archives for just about everything known on how to unclog.

Sometimes you may have a bad cartridge from the cartridge manufacturer.
I've had 3 of those, and it wasn't pleasant. 

 On the other hand, maybe it only seems like they malfunction a
> lot because we tend to hear about people's difficulties here on the list. I'd be
> curious to know whether there's a happy silent majority out there, and what
> they're using. (MARTIN W: How about a poll on this?)

They usually work fine, and when set up right they are great.
> 
> Also, from what I could gather in terms of cost, all the systems -- CFS, CIS, are
> in the same ballpark: $125-150. I didn't see anything at MIS that costs $100
> more than the $125 bulk feed system at InkjetGoodies, but maybe I was
> looking on the wrong page.

If you aren't using a printer with chips, then I only know what most
people on these lists mention from time to time, and that is that there
is less trouble with nomorecarts than any of the others. I have an
inkjet goodies unit now, which is NOT a nomorecarts unit, and it is
working great.
> 
> Btw, I'm not a big fan of Cadillacs, personally... :-)

Make it Lexus then.

jerry

Peter,

I have the CFS, and it's working fine.  It cost about $70 less than the CIS
for my 1280.  OTOH, that difference disappears in the 1160 models, except
that the CFS comes with ink (good if you're using an MIS ink).

Glenn


----- Original Message -----
From: "peter_in_seattle" <lists@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:06 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Which Continuous Ink System?


> Jerry,
>
> Can you please be a bit more specific about why the CIS is better than
either
> the CFS from MIS or the InkjetGoodies bulk feed system? Is this just a
matter
> of personal preference, or are there empirical differences?
>
> The bulk feed system does seem to have some nice improvements, for
> example it comes with the acrylic holder, which is sold separately from
the
> CIS. And the tubes don't stick out through the caps of the bottles, which
I'm
> assuming means you're less likely to get air in them?
>
> I don't have one of these systems yet, and I'm mainly interested in
finding
> something that a) isn't going to ruin my 1160 printer, b) is going to
print as well
> as pre-filled carts, and c) is cost-effective (ruining my printer or some
> expensive paper would not be cost-effective). Overall, I'm a bit hesitant,
> because these systems seem like they can be a major pain when something
> goes wrong. On the other hand, maybe it only seems like they malfunction a
> lot because we tend to hear about people's difficulties here on the list.
I'd be
> curious to know whether there's a happy silent majority out there, and
what
> they're using. (MARTIN W: How about a poll on this?)
>
> Also, from what I could gather in terms of cost, all the systems -- CFS,
CIS, are
> in the same ballpark: $125-150. I didn't see anything at MIS that costs
$100

> more than the $125 bulk feed system at InkjetGoodies, but maybe I was
> looking on the wrong page.
>
> Btw, I'm not a big fan of Cadillacs, personally... :-)
>
> Peter

I didn't realize the (MIS) CFS comes with ink for about $120... that makes it 
about $56 cheaper than the InkjetGoodies setup.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Glenn Thureson" <
glennthureson@a...> wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> I have the CFS, and it's working fine.  It cost about $70 less than the CIS
> for my 1280.  OTOH, that difference disappears in the 1160 models, except
> that the CFS comes with ink (good if you're using an MIS ink).
> 
> Glenn

I have two Epson 1160 printers -- one with a NoMoreCarts CIS system,
the other with an MIS CFS system.

The NoMoreCarts system is better. Its tubing is more flexible, better
supported and better arranged, and it allows the printer cover to be
retained (with two rubber bumpers fitted, to give clearance for the
tubes on their way to the bottles). I got this one first, and installed
it without the slightest problem.

I bought the MIS system for the second printer to save money -- I
bought the CFS and ink from MIS in one transaction and saved money on
delivery (to Australia). The tubing is stiff and awkwardly arranged.
The cover can't stay attached to the printer. Several times the print
head has gotten tangled in the tubing and I am aprehensive that it will
happen again. It works OK, and I have had terrific service and value
from MIS, but I regret my decision...

(I expect the design and usability issues are more complex in the case
of continuous ink systems for printers with chipped cartridges --
1270/1280/1290/etc -- but I don't have any experience with them.)

Peter Marquis-Kyle

I think inkjetgoodies does sell the camel system as their own. they are
not nomorecarts.



Bill Boy wrote:

> 
> I can not find a CFS/CIS (whatever) at inkjetgoodies.com   .
> Do they still sell one? or did I just miss it?
> They do have this one in there system
> Camel Ink System for Epson  but this is
> a clearance item from sometime back.
> Thanks
> Bill Boy
> On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 10:47  AM, Andrew Unger wrote:
> 
> > Inkjetgoodies
> Bill Boy
> bboy@...
> 
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Got a new B&H catalog yesterday and noted several items of interest.

They sell Hahnemuhle papers (under ANW Crestwood banner).

For comparison, HPR 308 is listed at $106.50/25 sheets 13x19, HPR 188 
for $135/25 sheets 13x19, go figger. Museo is $79.95 for 13x19/25, 
EAM is $43.50 for 13x19/50 .

Re scanners:

They still list the Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 at $499!!!

The4000+ is $1199, the 120 Pro at $1999 (includes $300 rebate).

They also have the equivalent Microtek 4000 T and FT(Firewire and 
Silverfast 6) at $599 and $949, respectively.

No association with B&H other than as satisfied customer.



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Bruce C. Kinch
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The Art Institute of Boston at Lesley University