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Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-09 by Shire,Stanley

I printed two copies of an image on Somerset Enh. Velvet and coated one.
Macbeth densitometer says.........
uncoated - dMax 1.69
coated  (Minwax water-base poly) - dMax 2.32

Yow!

Next test, same image, HWM, results tomorrow

S.


Stan Shire, M.Ed.
Associate Professor/Chair
Department of Photographic Imaging
Community College of Philadelphia
1700 Spring Garden St
Philadelphia, PA 19130
Adobe Photoshop A.C.E.
Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops


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RE: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-09 by Paul Roark

Most of the polyurethanes that one can buy locally are aromatic as opposed
to aliphatic.  The aromatics yellow.  The reason I use and recommend
Hydrocote is that it is aliphatic and will not yellow.  Of course for
experimenting, any will do.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

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  From: Shire,Stanley [mailto:sshire@...]
  Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:53 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results


  I printed two copies of an image on Somerset Enh. Velvet and coated one.
  Macbeth densitometer says.........
  uncoated - dMax 1.69
  coated  (Minwax water-base poly) - dMax 2.32

  Yow!

  Next test, same image, HWM, results tomorrow

  S.


  Stan Shire, M.Ed.
  Associate Professor/Chair
  Department of Photographic Imaging
  Community College of Philadelphia
  1700 Spring Garden St
  Philadelphia, PA 19130
  Adobe Photoshop A.C.E.
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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-09 by Robert Morrison

On 12/9/02 9:53 AM, "Shire,Stanley" <sshire@...> wrote:

> I printed two copies of an image on Somerset Enh. Velvet and coated one.
> Macbeth densitometer says.........
> uncoated - dMax 1.69
> coated  (Minwax water-base poly) - dMax 2.32
> 
> Yow!
> 
Be careful with the Minwax.  It has really poor tack properties and it gums
up rods fast...make sure you wash you rod immediately.  Whatever you do
don't store prints back to back for weeks.  I abandoned this one about a
year ago...but it does illustrate the incredible bang that you can get from
coating.

Robert
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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-09 by Shire,Stanley

Paul:
Absolutely agree. Hopefully my UPS guy has dropped off the Hydrocote today.
Do the dMax numbers agree with what you've been getting. I was amazed at the increase.
Stan
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  Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results


  Most of the polyurethanes that one can buy locally are aromatic as opposed
  to aliphatic.  The aromatics yellow.  The reason I use and recommend
  Hydrocote is that it is aliphatic and will not yellow.  Of course for
  experimenting, any will do.
  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com

  __________________________________________________

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Shire,Stanley [mailto:sshire@...]
    Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:53 AM
    To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results


    I printed two copies of an image on Somerset Enh. Velvet and coated one.
    Macbeth densitometer says.........
    uncoated - dMax 1.69
    coated  (Minwax water-base poly) - dMax 2.32

    Yow!

    Next test, same image, HWM, results tomorrow

    S.


    Stan Shire, M.Ed.
    Associate Professor/Chair
    Department of Photographic Imaging
    Community College of Philadelphia
    1700 Spring Garden St
    Philadelphia, PA 19130
    Adobe Photoshop A.C.E.
    Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops


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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-09 by Robert Morrison

The minwax is a soft acrylic.  It doesn't yellow...but as I mentioned has a
tack problem.  It is also relatively high in VOC's...but they are less toxic
than the VOC's in the the Hydrocote.  With the Hydrocote I would suggest
thick rubber gloves and a ventilation fan.  The cosolvent is N-methyl
Pyrrolidinone which is water miscible, but rather nasty.  It is needed to
get the polyurethane into the water solution...this will be a problem with
all of the polyurethanes when you use them in water.  In contrast acrylics
can be formulated without VOC's...there just aren't any architectural
products out there without VOC's because they are formulated for brushing
and rolling...two applications which have very different requirements than
rod coating.  That's why I'm trying to formulate a product specficially for
this market.

Robert
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On 12/9/02 10:30 AM, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Most of the polyurethanes that one can buy locally are aromatic as opposed
> to aliphatic.  The aromatics yellow.  The reason I use and recommend
> Hydrocote is that it is aliphatic and will not yellow.  Of course for
> experimenting, any will do.
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> __________________________________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shire,Stanley [mailto:sshire@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 9:53 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results
> 
> 
> I printed two copies of an image on Somerset Enh. Velvet and coated one.
> Macbeth densitometer says.........
> uncoated - dMax 1.69
> coated  (Minwax water-base poly) - dMax 2.32
> 
> Yow!
> 
> Next test, same image, HWM, results tomorrow
> 
> S.
> 
> 
> Stan Shire, M.Ed.
> Associate Professor/Chair
> Department of Photographic Imaging
> Community College of Philadelphia
> 1700 Spring Garden St
> Philadelphia, PA 19130
> Adobe Photoshop A.C.E.
> Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-09 by Mark Tucker <mark@marktucker.com>

>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert 
>Morrison <rmorrison@p...> wrote:
>It is needed to
> get the polyurethane into the water solution...this will be a 
>problem with
> all of the polyurethanes when you use them in water.

----

I would also advise you to make sure the Hydrocote is stirred 
very well. I work out of a gallon bucket of the stuff, and I've been 
super-paranoid about quickly opening the gallon top, getting out 
what I need, and then quickly resealing the lid. This, to avoid dust 
or anything from falling in.

BUT, I opened it last night and stirred it for some reason, and 
noticed a HUGE amount of this goopy, thick, stuff that had settled 
in the bottom of the gallon. A few seconds of stirring immediately 
brougth the stuff back into circulation, but it did make me wonder 
if I'd be working with too-diluted material before, since I had not 
stirred it well.

So... open the lid, stir it, get what you need out, and then reseal 
the lid.

Also a reminder that it's available in satin finish as well as gloss. 
I much prefer the satin; it pops up the DMAX without calling a lot 
of attention to the surface sheen, like the gloss does. Seems to 
fit better spiritually with the matte paper also; not so garish a 
contrast.

Also today, received from Hood, a bottle of "Fish Eye" fluid, to 
reduce the tendency to form air bubbles on the surface of the 
print as it's being applied, (air bubbles look like fish eyes). Also 
got a gallon of love juice to clean up the sprayer; designed 
especially to cut Hydrocote.

Over and out.

MT, http://marktucker.com/

RE: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by Shire,Stanley

Robert:
The Minwax was just to get a sense of what kind of dMax increase I would
get. My Hydrocote arrived yesterday.
 
Stan Shire
Associate Professor/Department Chair
Photographic Imaging
Community College of Philadelphia
Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops

215 751-8320
sshire@...
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Morrison [mailto:rmorrison@...] 
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 1:37 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results
 
On 12/9/02 9:53 AM, "Shire,Stanley" <sshire@...> wrote:

> I printed two copies of an image on Somerset Enh. Velvet and coated
one.
> Macbeth densitometer says.........
> uncoated - dMax 1.69
> coated  (Minwax water-base poly) - dMax 2.32
> 
> Yow!
> 
Be careful with the Minwax.  It has really poor tack properties and it
gums
up rods fast...make sure you wash you rod immediately.  Whatever you do
don't store prints back to back for weeks.  I abandoned this one about a
year ago...but it does illustrate the incredible bang that you can get
from
coating.

Robert

> 
> Stan Shire, M.Ed.
> Associate Professor/Chair
> Department of Photographic Imaging
> Community College of Philadelphia
> 1700 Spring Garden St
> Philadelphia, PA 19130
> Adobe Photoshop A.C.E.
> Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by Mark Tucker <mark@marktucker.com>

>I abandoned this one about a
> year ago...but it does illustrate the incredible bang that you can 
get
> from
> coating.

--------

It seemed pretty far-fetched about two weeks ago, to think that 
these Epson printers might some day incorporate some type of 
spray coating within the printhead itself.

Now, with so many of us having such great DMAX increase and 
print protection, I could see Epson adding this feature soon. It 
helps the fine art people with DMAX, but it also could help the 
sign guys who make prints for display in store windows and the 
outsides of buildings. The more you think about it, the more 
sense it makes. If they could just design something that would 
be instant-dry, they'd be in business.

I also like the "spot varnish" idea that Ernst mentioned; on matte 
papers, where the image area would be gloss or satin, against 
the backdrop of a matte paper.

Someone on the 9000 list implied that there is a company 
working on this technology right now; built right into the head. So 
maybe it's not as far away as it seems.

For me, I am seeing radically improved contrast, snap, crackle 
and pop from ESFA, Museo, PhotoRag, and Epson Velvet 505, 
using Hood Satin Hydrocote that Paul recommended, in this 
9600.

If there was just a way to avoid spraying it, I'd be happy. But for 
large prints, it seems like it's the only way. Even with a respirator, 
I'm kinda nervous doing this every day. If I ever have kids, they'll 
probably pop out looking like an octopus; I'll have to name him 
Flipper. I know I would not want to work in a body shop spray 
booth.

-MT, http://www.marktucker.com/

RE: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by Shire,Stanley

Yes. But an octopus with great dMax.
 
Stan Shire
Associate Professor/Department Chair
Photographic Imaging
Community College of Philadelphia
Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops

215 751-8320
sshire@...
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From: Mark Tucker <mark@...> [mailto:mark@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:58 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results
 
>I abandoned this one about a
> year ago...but it does illustrate the incredible bang that you can 
get
> from
> coating.

--------

It seemed pretty far-fetched about two weeks ago, to think that 
these Epson printers might some day incorporate some type of 
spray coating within the printhead itself.

Now, with so many of us having such great DMAX increase and 
print protection, I could see Epson adding this feature soon. It 
helps the fine art people with DMAX, but it also could help the 
sign guys who make prints for display in store windows and the 
outsides of buildings. The more you think about it, the more 
sense it makes. If they could just design something that would 
be instant-dry, they'd be in business.

I also like the "spot varnish" idea that Ernst mentioned; on matte 
papers, where the image area would be gloss or satin, against 
the backdrop of a matte paper.

Someone on the 9000 list implied that there is a company 
working on this technology right now; built right into the head. So 
maybe it's not as far away as it seems.

For me, I am seeing radically improved contrast, snap, crackle 
and pop from ESFA, Museo, PhotoRag, and Epson Velvet 505, 
using Hood Satin Hydrocote that Paul recommended, in this 
9600.

If there was just a way to avoid spraying it, I'd be happy. But for 
large prints, it seems like it's the only way. Even with a respirator, 
I'm kinda nervous doing this every day. If I ever have kids, they'll 
probably pop out looking like an octopus; I'll have to name him 
Flipper. I know I would not want to work in a body shop spray 
booth.

-MT, http://www.marktucker.com/


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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by Julian Thomas

dMax would be a cool name too.

Julian
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From: "Shire,Stanley" <sshire@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results


> Yes. But an octopus with great dMax.
>
> Stan Shire
> Associate Professor/Department Chair
> Photographic Imaging
> Community College of Philadelphia
> Adobe Photoshop 6 A.C.E.
> Author: Hands On Photoshop 7: Tutorial Workshops
>
> 215 751-8320
> sshire@...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Tucker <mark@...> [mailto:mark@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:58 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results
>
> >I abandoned this one about a
> > year ago...but it does illustrate the incredible bang that you can
> get
> > from
> > coating.
>
> --------
>
> It seemed pretty far-fetched about two weeks ago, to think that
> these Epson printers might some day incorporate some type of
> spray coating within the printhead itself.
>
> Now, with so many of us having such great DMAX increase and
> print protection, I could see Epson adding this feature soon. It
> helps the fine art people with DMAX, but it also could help the
> sign guys who make prints for display in store windows and the
> outsides of buildings. The more you think about it, the more
> sense it makes. If they could just design something that would
> be instant-dry, they'd be in business.
>
> I also like the "spot varnish" idea that Ernst mentioned; on matte
> papers, where the image area would be gloss or satin, against
> the backdrop of a matte paper.
>
> Someone on the 9000 list implied that there is a company
> working on this technology right now; built right into the head. So
> maybe it's not as far away as it seems.
>
> For me, I am seeing radically improved contrast, snap, crackle
> and pop from ESFA, Museo, PhotoRag, and Epson Velvet 505,
> using Hood Satin Hydrocote that Paul recommended, in this
> 9600.
>
> If there was just a way to avoid spraying it, I'd be happy. But for
> large prints, it seems like it's the only way. Even with a respirator,
> I'm kinda nervous doing this every day. If I ever have kids, they'll
> probably pop out looking like an octopus; I'll have to name him
> Flipper. I know I would not want to work in a body shop spray
> booth.
>
> -MT, http://www.marktucker.com/
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by Mark Tucker <mark@marktucker.com>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian 
Thomas" <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> dMax would be a cool name too.

Ironically, there is a photo assistant here in Nashville named 
David Maxwell. Wonder what his nickname is....?

Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by dw_carter <davec52@attglobal.net>

I just visited the Hood Hydrocote web site.  There are a number of 
Hydrocote coatings for sale.  Which one are you folks haveing the 
best luck with?
Thanks, Dave



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Tucker 
<mark@m...>" <mark@m...> wrote:
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian 
> Thomas" <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
> > dMax would be a cool name too.
> 
> Ironically, there is a photo assistant here in Nashville named 
> David Maxwell. Wonder what his nickname is....?

RE: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results

2002-12-10 by Paul Roark

The Polyshield clear gloss or satin.

Paul
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  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Faux Meyer Rod - first dMax test results


  I just visited the Hood Hydrocote web site.  There are a number of
  Hydrocote coatings for sale.  Which one are you folks haveing the
  best luck with?
  Thanks, Dave



  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Tucker
  <mark@m...>" <mark@m...> wrote:
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Julian
  > Thomas" <julianthomas@t...> wrote:
  > > dMax would be a cool name too.
  >
  > Ironically, there is a photo assistant here in Nashville named
  > David Maxwell. Wonder what his nickname is....?


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