Digital BW, The Print

I've been using the 3M positionable adhesive for a while. It's available
in different widths.
 
It works just fine with the squigee that's included. I've also been
using a hardwood rolling pin I raided from my wife's kitchen. It works
great! I've not felt the need to buy the rolling machine.
 
Jim

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Jamie Gannon [mailto:jamie@...] 
	Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:46 PM
	To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
	Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Dry Mounting Images + Adhesive
questions
	
	
	List,
	In reply to my own previous post I have since learned a few
things regarding
	adhesives.. for what it's worth to others.. Sorry if the topic
strays from
	core issues in Digital Printing, but I think the info might be
useful for
	some, especially in light of all our concerns regarding archival
	qualities...
	Through various Google searches on the topic of adhesives and
archival
	issues I came upon the following as posted on the University of
Chicago
	website:
	
	http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/phd/materials.html
	
	Dissertation Office | University Requirements for the Ph.D.
Dissertation:
	Materials
	
	IV.2.3.2. Adhesive mounting
	
	There are only two acceptable adhesives:
	
	*    3M Double-Sided Tape #415. This material is sold in
1/4"-wide rolls.
	Two vertical strips of double-sided tape should be applied to
the two
	longest edges of the photograph. The tape is available from the
mail-order
	companies above. 
	*    3M Positionable Mounting Adhesive #568. This material is
sold in rolls
	and must be cut to the size of the illustration. The photograph
or
	illustration can be positioned until pressure is applied. The
adhesive is
	available from the conservation supply company Light Impressions
or other 3M
	distributors.
	
	IV.2.3.3. Materials and methods that are NOT acceptable:
	
	*    Glue or Glue Stick
	*    Rubber cement 
	*    Spray Adhesives
	*    Tape other than 3M No. 415
	*    Dry Mount Presses
	*    Pressure sensitive tissue except that discussed above.
	
	Finding this led me to learn more about the 3M Positionable
Mounting
	Adhesive #568. It appears to be a nice solution for my need to
adhere a
	piezo print to a substrate.
	
	
http://www.dickblick.com/zz231/07/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=2506
	
	My question to anyone with possible experience with this
material is
	regarding the need for the proprietary rolling machine that is
sold for
	quite a bit of money - $450. Would a heat press (which I own)
used without
	heat apply appropriate pressure to make a permanent bond with
this material?
	
	Thanks again,
	Jamie Gannon
	______________________________________________
	My previous post follows:
	
	What dry mounting sheets are being used?
	
	Is this method cool with the diehard archivists out there?
	I'd like to try the dry mounting method. Is it definitely the
adhesive
	method of choice? - compared to any of the spray mount methods.
	
	Is there a spray that might be acceptable as a non yellowing,
acid free
	solution? 
	
	Other adhesive materials in use?
	
	Any thoughts on this from traditional printmakers and collage
artists would
	be of interest.
	
	I currently am participating in a print exchange of 25 prints
with
	traditional printmakers - as I currently have no access to
intaglio or litho
	presses I am going forward with piezo. I do feel a bit like a
cheater
	although I know I shouldn't. I won't make a big deal out of the
process when
	I submit the image. One of the dilemmas is the print size. 17 x
14 inches.
	Too large for my 1160. So I would like to make a smaller image
and mount it
	to a 17 x 14 sheet of nice printmaking paper. I tested the
pressing of a
	debossed area (7 x 9 )on a slightly dampened sheet with an
edge-angled piece
	of matboard which adds an intaglio like quality to the overall
sheet. My
	piezo will mount inside the debossed area. I may be asking for
trouble from
	traditionalists... 
	Oh well. So, I'm hoping the image quality makes up for it...
	
	Thanks in advance.
	Jamie Gannon
	
	
	
	
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Jamie..
Sorry..absolutely NO heat with a drymount press on 3M #568..
You either use the blue "spreader" that comes with the rolls, or that
machine you are referring to..BTW, I've been heat mounting virtually any
"MATTE" type paper with Seal Colormount tissue for over 3 years with no
problems whatsoever..If I need to mount any glossy surfaced paper that in
particular has been sprayed with the likes of KRYLON etc, I then use the 3M
stuff..You must be carefull with the #568 to NOT get any of the adhesive
residue ont the surface of your print..BUT..if you do, common mineral
spirits will remove the residue without removing the Krylon type finish..I
used this technique on Cibachrome prints 20 years ago that are still hangin
on my walls, with no ill-effects from the mineral spirits or any lacquer
type sprays....
    BTW I do happen to have one of those 3-M machines for sale in great
condition if you are interested..Please contact me OF LIST if you have any
interest..

Eddie Wiseman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamie Gannon" <jamie@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Dry Mounting Images + Adhesive questions


> List,
> In reply to my own previous post I have since learned a few things
regarding
> adhesives.. for what it's worth to others.. Sorry if the topic strays from
> core issues in Digital Printing, but I think the info might be useful for
> some, especially in light of all our concerns regarding archival
> qualities...
> Through various Google searches on the topic of adhesives and archival
> issues I came upon the following as posted on the University of Chicago
> website:
>
> http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/phd/materials.html
>
> Dissertation Office | University Requirements for the Ph.D. Dissertation:
> Materials
>
> IV.2.3.2. Adhesive mounting
>
> There are only two acceptable adhesives:
>
> *    3M Double-Sided Tape #415. This material is sold in 1/4"-wide rolls.
> Two vertical strips of double-sided tape should be applied to the two
> longest edges of the photograph. The tape is available from the mail-order
> companies above.
> *    3M Positionable Mounting Adhesive #568. This material is sold in
rolls
> and must be cut to the size of the illustration. The photograph or
> illustration can be positioned until pressure is applied. The adhesive is
> available from the conservation supply company Light Impressions or other
3M
> distributors.
>
> IV.2.3.3. Materials and methods that are NOT acceptable:
>
> *    Glue or Glue Stick
> *    Rubber cement
> *    Spray Adhesives
> *    Tape other than 3M No. 415
> *    Dry Mount Presses
> *    Pressure sensitive tissue except that discussed above.
>
> Finding this led me to learn more about the 3M Positionable Mounting
> Adhesive #568. It appears to be a nice solution for my need to adhere a
> piezo print to a substrate.
>
> http://www.dickblick.com/zz231/07/products.asp?param=0&ig_id=2506
>
> My question to anyone with possible experience with this material is
> regarding the need for the proprietary rolling machine that is sold for
> quite a bit of money - $450. Would a heat press (which I own) used without
> heat apply appropriate pressure to make a permanent bond with this
material?
>
> Thanks again,
> Jamie Gannon
> ______________________________________________
> My previous post follows:
>
> What dry mounting sheets are being used?
>
> Is this method cool with the diehard archivists out there?
> I'd like to try the dry mounting method. Is it definitely the adhesive
> method of choice? - compared to any of the spray mount methods.
>
> Is there a spray that might be acceptable as a non yellowing, acid free
> solution?
>
> Other adhesive materials in use?
>
> Any thoughts on this from traditional printmakers and collage artists
would
> be of interest.
>
> I currently am participating in a print exchange of 25 prints with
> traditional printmakers - as I currently have no access to intaglio or
litho
> presses I am going forward with piezo. I do feel a bit like a cheater
> although I know I shouldn't. I won't make a big deal out of the process
when
> I submit the image. One of the dilemmas is the print size. 17 x 14 inches.
> Too large for my 1160. So I would like to make a smaller image and mount
it
> to a 17 x 14 sheet of nice printmaking paper. I tested the pressing of a
> debossed area (7 x 9 )on a slightly dampened sheet with an edge-angled
piece
> of matboard which adds an intaglio like quality to the overall sheet. My
> piezo will mount inside the debossed area. I may be asking for trouble
from
> traditionalists...
> Oh well. So, I'm hoping the image quality makes up for it...
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Jamie Gannon
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
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unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
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>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
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> - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
them short.
> - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
&amp;amp;quot;flames.&amp;amp;quot;
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>
>
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