Digital BW, The Print

> 
> Hi... I have a few questions... I take digital Photos using a Toshiba
> 4.2 mega pixel... some end up pretty grainy and in photoshop and
> Paintshop even using plugins I still end up with way moe grain then I
> want especially when I use greyscale. Anyone know asur trick besides
> me going in and doing all the wor by hand? and does anyone have an
> opinion on a high quality printer for medium to larger format prints?
> I had used and Epson before... and really had a hard time getting my
> paper to stay centered... Don't want to go to high a cost but would
> Like Nice Larger prints that can be done at home? does anyone know a
> GREAT site For digital photography tutorials using Paintshop or
> Photoshop? I know there are alot of graphic tutorials... but I am
> only interested in ones that deal with photography. Thankyou. Cindy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:58 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions
> 
> 
> I can't understand this at all. Digital cameras HAVE NO grain!
> 
> What model and brand of printer are you using?

> Hi Jerry,
> 
> Digital cameras have no grain but a grain-like "CCD noise" which looks
> pretty ugly when combined with Bayer interpolation artifacts (we are
> speaking about consumer/prosumer level cameras here). For detailed
> information you may read the "in depth reviews" and "learn/glossary"
> sections of the wonderful Digital Photography Review
> (http://www.dpreview.com) site - every review has a section dedicated to
> noise evaluation/comparison and hot/stuck pixels.
> 
> Regards,
> Loris.
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
>>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:58 PM
>>To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions
>>
>>
>>I can't understand this at all. Digital cameras HAVE NO grain!
>>
>>What model and brand of printer are you using?
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:39 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions
> 
> 
> Lois, I have the Canon D60, with a CMOS chip.  Absolutely no 
> grain, no 
> noise, until you get above ISO 400.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Loris Medici wrote:
> > Hi Jerry,
> > 
> > Digital cameras have no grain but a grain-like "CCD noise" 
> which looks 
> > pretty ugly when combined with Bayer interpolation 
> artifacts (we are 
> > speaking about consumer/prosumer level cameras here). For detailed 
> > information you may read the "in depth reviews" and 
> "learn/glossary" 
> > sections of the wonderful Digital Photography Review
> > (http://www.dpreview.com) site - every review has a section 
> dedicated 
> > to noise evaluation/comparison and hot/stuck pixels.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Loris.

> 
> That's a pro SLR... not a consumer/prosumer grade product.
> 
> I personally favour grain in mono work; I like the texture, look and
> feel it adds to the image. I frequently find myself artificially adding
> grain/noise to the image in Photoshop  - I gues I'm a grain addict (it
> depends on the image of course)... Despite being this way; I just can't
> bear the too orderly, patterned, non natural look of the noise in most
> digital cameras (inspect the sky in most images and you'll understand
> what I mean). This was the main reason that lead me to sell my 3Mp
> digital camera (Casio QV3000) just a couple of months later (this was 2
> years ago)...
> 
> Regards,
> Loris.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:39 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions
> >
> >
> > Lois, I have the Canon D60, with a CMOS chip.  Absolutely no
> > grain, no
> > noise, until you get above ISO 400.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> > Loris Medici wrote:
> > > Hi Jerry,
> > >
> > > Digital cameras have no grain but a grain-like "CCD noise"
> > which looks
> > > pretty ugly when combined with Bayer interpolation
> > artifacts (we are
> > > speaking about consumer/prosumer level cameras here). For detailed
> > > information you may read the "in depth reviews" and
> > "learn/glossary"
> > > sections of the wonderful Digital Photography Review
> > > (http://www.dpreview.com) site - every review has a section
> > dedicated
> > > to noise evaluation/comparison and hot/stuck pixels.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Loris.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 11:50 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions
> 
> 
> Lois, casio is NOT the camera you buy if you want a quality 
> camera. Stick with Nikon, Canon, Contax, etc.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Loris Medici wrote:
> > 
> > That's a pro SLR... not a consumer/prosumer grade product.
> > 
> > I personally favour grain in mono work; I like the texture, 
> look and 
> > feel it adds to the image. I frequently find myself artificially 
> > adding grain/noise to the image in Photoshop  - I gues I'm a grain 
> > addict (it depends on the image of course)... Despite being 
> this way; 
> > I just can't bear the too orderly, patterned, non natural 
> look of the 
> > noise in most digital cameras (inspect the sky in most images and 
> > you'll understand what I mean). This was the main reason 
> that lead me 
> > to sell my 3Mp digital camera (Casio QV3000) just a couple 
> of months 
> > later (this was 2 years ago)...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Loris.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jerry Olson [mailto:jerryolson@...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 6:39 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Hi I have a few questions
> > >
> > >
> > > Lois, I have the Canon D60, with a CMOS chip.  Absolutely 
> no grain, 
> > > no noise, until you get above ISO 400.
> > >
> > > Jerry