Digital BW, The Print

On 1/20/03 3:31 AM, "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com"
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> One my customer tried to print old BW photos with a warm tone on
> Epson Stylus Photo 2100. He used Archival Matte Paper (Enhanced MP).
> The problem was that the print outs were pink, there was very strong
> shift to magenta.


Are you absolutely sure that as the very last step you have selected "no
color adjustment" in the printer software.

The same computer, the same Photoshop, still running. Only manipulation:

1. Check setup - No color adjustment, no 2880 dpi

2. Print picture from Photoshop as usual with these profiles (1440 dpi).

3. switch off "magenta printer". Unplug it.

4. Plug second one. Switch it on.

5. Choose printer from Chooser

6. Check setup - No color adjustment, 2880 on

7. Print as usual with these profiles (1440 dpi)

First print out pink, second one normal.

Martin

At 08:42 -0500 20.1.2003, Michael A. Schwarz wrote:
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>On 1/20/03 3:31 AM, "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com"
><DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>  One my customer tried to print old BW photos with a warm tone on
>>  Epson Stylus Photo 2100. He used Archival Matte Paper (Enhanced MP).
>>  The problem was that the print outs were pink, there was very strong
>>  shift to magenta.
>
>
>Are you absolutely sure that as the very last step you have selected "no
>color adjustment" in the printer software.
>

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At 08:31 AM 1/21/2003 +0000, you wrote:

"Christopher Williams" <leicachris@...> writes
>Select Black Only in the properties. The printer will tell you that this is
>not recommened. Do it, and you get warm tone prints from just using the
>blacks. I would guess maybe laying down more of the ink would turn it more
>neutral. I'll have to try.


No, Christopher, as I said, it's not using the blacks, it's just
using the black.

When you do what you suggest it only uses
its blackest black (matte black or photo black,
depending on what cartridge is installed).   The result
is a noticable dot pattern, although it's no worse than the
halftone pattern in a decent fine art coffee table
photography book.

What the 2100/2200 needs is a way to use all its blacks,
i.e., the dark black AND the light black cartridge, and
not any of the colors.  This would produce very neutral
prints with minimal metamerism, but a less obvious dot
pattern than the darkest cartridge alone.

> What the 2100/2200 needs is a way to use all its blacks,
> i.e., the dark black AND the light black cartridge, and
> not any of the colors.  This would produce very neutral
> prints with minimal metamerism, but a less obvious dot
> pattern than the darkest cartridge alone.

That's based on the assumption that the light black is actually
neutral. It's not. Printing with the two blacks will get you a print
with a very varm brown sepia-tone.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danielstaver 
<daniel@p...>" <daniel@p...> wrote:

> > What the 2100/2200 needs is a way to use all its blacks,
> > i.e., the dark black AND the light black cartridge, and
> > not any of the colors.  This would produce very neutral
> > prints with minimal metamerism, but a less obvious dot
> > pattern than the darkest cartridge alone.
> 
> That's based on the assumption that the light black is actually
> neutral. It's not. Printing with the two blacks will get you a print
> with a very varm brown sepia-tone.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danielstaver 
<daniel@p...>" <daniel@p...> wrote:
> > What the 2100/2200 needs is a way to use all its blacks,
> > i.e., the dark black AND the light black cartridge, and
> > not any of the colors.  This would produce very neutral
> > prints with minimal metamerism, but a less obvious dot
> > pattern than the darkest cartridge alone.
> 
> That's based on the assumption that the light black is actually
> neutral. It's not. Printing with the two blacks will get you a print
> with a very varm brown sepia-tone.

And how can you use the two blacks, if you have no RIP, please?

Mathias

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "chatzebussi
<chatzebussi@y...>" <chatzebussi@y...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "danielstaver 
> <daniel@p...>" <daniel@p...> wrote:
> > > What the 2100/2200 needs is a way to use all its blacks,
> > > i.e., the dark black AND the light black cartridge, and
> > > not any of the colors.  This would produce very neutral
> > > prints with minimal metamerism, but a less obvious dot
> > > pattern than the darkest cartridge alone.
> > 
> > That's based on the assumption that the light black is actually
> > neutral. It's not. Printing with the two blacks will get you a print
> > with a very varm brown sepia-tone.
> 
> And how can you use the two blacks, if you have no RIP, please?
> 
> Mathias

You can't. It's not possible with the standard Epson driver to do
this. GIMP-print is a free alternative that will get you there, but
with poor transitions between the two blacks and microbanding problems.