Digital BW, The Print

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Lately I have seen the emergence of 2 new CRT monitors that are
designed to be calibrated with their own calibrator.  Before it was
just the LaCie, now we also have the Mitsubishi 2070 with SpectraView
and the Sony Artisan.  Having never been happy with my LaCie I was
wondering what the response has been to the other two mentioned.  A
Mitsubishi sales tech number told me that the calibrating process for
the 2070 with SpectraView only takes two minutes rather than the 10-15
minutes I suffer with the LaCie and the software was compatible with
OS X, OS 9, and Windows 98 (LaCie is not OS X compatible).  He
was also raving that the 2070 was more color accurate, brighter, and
had a better tube than the tubes they manufacture for LaCie.  I am
hoping that somebody has some real world experience with these
monitors and could offer some advise.

Thanks in advance for any help. 

Michael
michaelfaye.com

On 1/29/03 11:31 PM, "mfp90021 <mfp90021@...>" <mfp90021@...>
wrote:

> (LaCie is not OS X compatible).


There is an OSX version of BlueEye on the Lacie website.  I've been using it
for a couple of months...

Lawrence
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El 30/1/03 13:39, "Lawrence Smith" <lsmith@...> escribió:
> 
> There is an OSX version of BlueEye on the Lacie website.  I've been using it
> for a couple of months...
> 
I have install it but don't work.. : -(
Aitor

>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:31:32 -0000
>  From: "mfp90021 <mfp90021@yahoo.com>" <mfp90021@...>

> Lately I have seen the emergence of 2 new CRT monitors that are
> designed to be calibrated with their own calibrator.  Before it was
> just the LaCie, now we also have the Mitsubishi 2070 with SpectraView
> and the Sony Artisan.  Having never been happy with my LaCie I was
> wondering what the response has been to the other two mentioned.  A
> Mitsubishi sales tech number told me that the calibrating process for
> the 2070 with SpectraView only takes two minutes rather than the 10-15
> minutes I suffer with the LaCie and the software was compatible with
> OS X, OS 9, and Windows 98 (LaCie is not OS X compatible).  He
> was also raving that the 2070 was more color accurate, brighter, and
> had a better tube than the tubes they manufacture for LaCie.  I am
> hoping that somebody has some real world experience with these
> monitors and could offer some advise.

I have a LaCie Blue III and a Sony Artisan (had the original Mitsubishi
Spectraview). No question that the Artisan is the top dog here. So good in
fact I sold my $5000 Barco Reference V and replaced it with the Artisan. It
takes about 12 minutes to do a full calibration but it's worth the wait. The
LaCie is better now with the new software I've been running but I'd rather
have two Artisan's! Here's a test you can try to see how well the black
accuracy is of your calibrated display (courtesy of Bruce Fraser who's Real
World Color Management is now out and a MUST read):

Launch Photoshop.
Make a new document (size isn¹t important)
Fill the document with black (you can use the fill command)
Zoom in so document fills screen
Using the rectangle marquee tool (no feather), make a selection in the
center (size isn¹t important but don¹t make it tiny)
Hide the marching ants (command H)
Click on tab key then F key so ALL you see is black!

You should see JUST a black screen (no palettes or menus).

Call up the Curves dialog (command M)
If possible move it to the side or better, to a 2nd display.

Ok, click as carefully as you can on the BOTTOM curve point that represents
0/0/0 (black). Using your arrow keys, move the up arrow one click at a time
until you can see separation between pure black outside the marquee and the
new values in the marquee.

On my Artisan, I can see a difference between 0/0/0 and either 1/1/1 or
2/2/2! On most other displays, I have to move the levels up to 6 or more.

Also look at the neutrality as you move the arrow key up and make the inside
square lighter. Do they remain neutral or do you see a color shift (usually
magenta). On the Artisan, the lighter square remains dead nuts neutral
appearing.

On 1/30/03 9:13 AM, "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@...> wrote:

> On my Artisan, I can see a difference between 0/0/0 and either 1/1/1 or
> 2/2/2! On most other displays, I have to move the levels up to 6 or more.


On my LaCie it's 4.


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My 2 year old 21" Sony GDM-F500 calibrated with Optical and a Spyder can
do the same. I easily see the difference between 0/0/0 and 1/1/1 and
between 1/1/1/ and 2/2/2. Color is neutral as well. I definitely will be
picking up another Sony when mine eventually dies. BTW, Sony will be
only making 21" and larger CRTs after March 31, 2003.



****************
Andrew R. quote
On my Artisan, I can see a difference between 0/0/0 and either 1/1/1 or
2/2/2! On most other displays, I have to move the levels up to 6 or
more.

Also look at the neutrality as you move the arrow key up and make the
inside
square lighter. Do they remain neutral or do you see a color shift
(usually
magenta). On the Artisan, the lighter square remains dead nuts neutral
appearing.

Andrew, thanks for copy of the black test.  Wondering if you have had any
experience with the apple LCD's?  On my apple LCD 17 I seem to pick up a
2/2/2 ok...but my problem is that the monitor is so bright that prints
simply don't match as well as with my Lacie III for which I can only pick up
4/4/4.  My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
(colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good brightness
setting with the Apple LCD monitors.

Robert

On 1/30/03 6:13 AM, "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@...> wrote:

>> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:31:32 -0000
>>  From: "mfp90021 <mfp90021@...>" <mfp90021@...>
> 
>> Lately I have seen the emergence of 2 new CRT monitors that are
>> designed to be calibrated with their own calibrator.  Before it was
>> just the LaCie, now we also have the Mitsubishi 2070 with SpectraView
>> and the Sony Artisan.  Having never been happy with my LaCie I was
>> wondering what the response has been to the other two mentioned.  A
>> Mitsubishi sales tech number told me that the calibrating process for
>> the 2070 with SpectraView only takes two minutes rather than the 10-15
>> minutes I suffer with the LaCie and the software was compatible with
>> OS X, OS 9, and Windows 98 (LaCie is not OS X compatible).  He
>> was also raving that the 2070 was more color accurate, brighter, and
>> had a better tube than the tubes they manufacture for LaCie.  I am
>> hoping that somebody has some real world experience with these
>> monitors and could offer some advise.
> 
> I have a LaCie Blue III and a Sony Artisan (had the original Mitsubishi
> Spectraview). No question that the Artisan is the top dog here. So good in
> fact I sold my $5000 Barco Reference V and replaced it with the Artisan. It
> takes about 12 minutes to do a full calibration but it's worth the wait. The
> LaCie is better now with the new software I've been running but I'd rather
> have two Artisan's! Here's a test you can try to see how well the black
> accuracy is of your calibrated display (courtesy of Bruce Fraser who's Real
> World Color Management is now out and a MUST read):
> 
> Launch Photoshop.
> Make a new document (size isn¹t important)
> Fill the document with black (you can use the fill command)
> Zoom in so document fills screen
> Using the rectangle marquee tool (no feather), make a selection in the
> center (size isn¹t important but don¹t make it tiny)
> Hide the marching ants (command H)
> Click on tab key then F key so ALL you see is black!
> 
> You should see JUST a black screen (no palettes or menus).
> 
> Call up the Curves dialog (command M)
> If possible move it to the side or better, to a 2nd display.
> 
> Ok, click as carefully as you can on the BOTTOM curve point that represents
> 0/0/0 (black). Using your arrow keys, move the up arrow one click at a time
> until you can see separation between pure black outside the marquee and the
> new values in the marquee.
> 
> On my Artisan, I can see a difference between 0/0/0 and either 1/1/1 or
> 2/2/2! On most other displays, I have to move the levels up to 6 or more.
> 
> Also look at the neutrality as you move the arrow key up and make the inside
> square lighter. Do they remain neutral or do you see a color shift (usually
> magenta). On the Artisan, the lighter square remains dead nuts neutral
> appearing. 
> 
> 
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Robert,

My 20" Formac Gallery LCD (calibrated with Optical/Spyder) shows a clear
difference between 1/1/1 and 0/0/0.

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>


Andrew, thanks for copy of the black test.  Wondering if you have had any
experience with the apple LCD's?  On my apple LCD 17 I seem to pick up a
2/2/2 ok...but my problem is that the monitor is so bright that prints
simply don't match as well as with my Lacie III for which I can only pick up
4/4/4.  My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
(colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good brightness
setting with the Apple LCD monitors.

I use a Mitsubishi 2060U diamond Pro 22 inch. I just use Photocal and 
a Spyder.

Very nice. I have one problem. I can't get uniform color balance 
across the screen due to the corner adjustments not affecting enough 
of the screen. We are talking tiny differences here. The left side of 
the screen is magenta, the right greenish. I have to put a greyscale 
image up duplicated on left and right sides and examine closely to see 
that they are "toned" a little differently. I probably can correct it 
a little more by riding the upper right corner a little more heavily 
towards magenta.

This is my second duplicate monitor that is like this. I wonder if the 
larger monitors are just susseptible to this.

Everything else is so good on this monitor, and the diff so slight 
that I really don't care about this, believe it or not.

A Mitsubishi tech once told me that Mitsubishi guts are sold to Lacie.
Jim H.

Bob,

What platform are you on...mac or pc?  Do you have brightness controls on
the monitor or only in the OS?  My specific problem is when I'm trying to
get the monitor into the target luminance range (prior to profiling)...the
optical doesn't read correctly...it's binary...either showing a high
luminance or low luminance...there's no middle ground.  I've tried two
different spyder's with the same results. Anyway...I'm giving up on the
Colorvision solution.

I just bought ICS's basiCColor Display Mac  and basiCColor Display
Instrument (which is a Sequel Squid colorimeter).  These are supposed to
give performance comparable to ICS's remote director/eye-one set up which is
SWOP certified.  I'm going to try it on my ASD 17 before I take the Cinema
Display Plunge.

Robert

On 1/30/03 11:48 AM, "Bob Frost" <bobfrost@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> My 20" Formac Gallery LCD (calibrated with Optical/Spyder) shows a clear
> difference between 1/1/1 and 0/0/0.
> 
> Bob Frost.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> 
> 
> Andrew, thanks for copy of the black test.  Wondering if you have had any
> experience with the apple LCD's?  On my apple LCD 17 I seem to pick up a
> 2/2/2 ok...but my problem is that the monitor is so bright that prints
> simply don't match as well as with my Lacie III for which I can only pick up
> 4/4/4.  My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
> (colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good brightness
> setting with the Apple LCD monitors.
> 
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Robert,

I'm on a PC with WinXPPro. The only controls on the 20" Formac Gallery LCD
are an on-off button and two up/down brightness buttons. I haven't noticed
any problems with brightness, but I run it at about 250. I see no point in
trying to run it at CRT levels as some seem to want to; I bought it so I
don't have to work in a darkroom any more!

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] LaCie vs. Sony vs. Mitsubishi


> Bob,
>
> What platform are you on...mac or pc?  Do you have brightness controls on
> the monitor or only in the OS?  My specific problem is when I'm trying to
> get the monitor into the target luminance range (prior to profiling)...the
> optical doesn't read correctly...it's binary...either showing a high
> luminance or low luminance...there's no middle ground.  I've tried two
> different spyder's with the same results. Anyway...I'm giving up on the
> Colorvision solution.
>
> I just bought ICS's basiCColor Display Mac  and basiCColor Display
> Instrument (which is a Sequel Squid colorimeter).  These are supposed to
> give performance comparable to ICS's remote director/eye-one set up which
is
> SWOP certified.  I'm going to try it on my ASD 17 before I take the Cinema
> Display Plunge.
>
> Robert
>
> On 1/30/03 11:48 AM, "Bob Frost" <bobfrost@...> wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > My 20" Formac Gallery LCD (calibrated with Optical/Spyder) shows a clear
> > difference between 1/1/1 and 0/0/0.
> >
> > Bob Frost.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Morrison" <rmorrison@...>
> >
> >
> > Andrew, thanks for copy of the black test.  Wondering if you have had
any
> > experience with the apple LCD's?  On my apple LCD 17 I seem to pick up a
> > 2/2/2 ok...but my problem is that the monitor is so bright that prints
> > simply don't match as well as with my Lacie III for which I can only
pick up
> > 4/4/4.  My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
> > (colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good
brightness
> > setting with the Apple LCD monitors.
> >
> >
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Apple just came out with a 20 inch LCD Cinema display that is supposed
to have the same viewing area as a 22 inch monitor. (I.E. 20 real
inches). They said the price was $1200, but didn't say street or list. 
Maybe it would be
worth waiting for this puppy. Sounds like a really great monitor.

Jerry

On 1/30/03 2:17 PM, "Bob Frost" <bobfrost@...> wrote:

> Robert,
> 
> I'm on a PC with WinXPPro. The only controls on the 20" Formac Gallery LCD
> are an on-off button and two up/down brightness buttons. I haven't noticed
> any problems with brightness, but I run it at about 250. I see no point in
> trying to run it at CRT levels as some seem to want to; I bought it so I
> don't have to work in a darkroom any more!
> 
Actually, its still best to work in a dark room...unless your room lighting
is very carefully controlled and reproducible.  My main problem is that the
images are so vibrant on the LCD...that they don't give me a good estimate
of what the print will be like.  Yes the transitions are technically the
same...assuming that everything is profiled...but the impact is radically
different.  The difference was much, much less with my CRT...presumably due
to brightness.  Even with brightness turned down, the LCD still should be
superior due to sharpness and evenness.

Robert

On my LaCie II 22"--blue eye calibrated in OS X-- I can see 1/1/1. It's well 
documented that monitor quality varies from unit to unit. It's therefore hard to 
make brand/model generalizations based on use of an individual unit.

Amadou Diallo

I recalibrated my LaCie and adjusted for ambient light and now mine shows
change at 1/1/1

Lawrence
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FWIW, I had colorvision's photocal/optical and just couldn't get 
blues on my 21" Sony monitor to match the print. Everything else was 
okay except what displayed as dark violet on my screen printed as 
deep blue. Got EyeOne/ProfileMaker and problem fixed, screen now 
matched the print, blue displayed as blue.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
 My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
> (colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good 
brightness
> setting with the Apple LCD monitors.

Just read in yesterday's Investor's Business Daily a blurb 
stating, "Apple Computer will cut prices on its high-end PowerMac 
line of desktop computers and flat-panel monitors amid stiff 
competition."

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Maybe it would be
> worth waiting for this puppy. Sounds like a really great monitor.

On 1/30/03 7:47 PM, "sanfo2003 <SandyCornelius@...>"
<SandyCornelius@...> wrote:

> Just read in yesterday's Investor's Business Daily a blurb
> stating, "Apple Computer will cut prices on its high-end PowerMac
> line of desktop computers and flat-panel monitors amid stiff
> competition."

Already done...prices rolled back earlier this week...that's why we are
talking about the Apple LCD displays.  $2K for the 23" cinema display.

Robert

Hi,
I have a 22" Lacie III and can´t calibrated it in OSX. The blueye software
give me an error. 
Does anyone have the same problem?
Aitor

> On my LaCie II 22"--blue eye calibrated in OS X-- I can see 1/1/1. It's well
> documented that monitor quality varies from unit to unit. It's therefore hard
> to 
> make brand/model generalizations based on use of an individual unit.
> 
> Amadou Diallo

>  From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
> 
> Andrew, thanks for copy of the black test.  Wondering if you have had any
> experience with the apple LCD's?

Not a lot. I've seen them, played with them but don't own one (or would buy
one yet due to the price and viewing angle issues which are getting better).
When I can get a Cinema for the price of an Artisan WITH colorimeter, I'm
there. 

>On my apple LCD 17 I seem to pick up a
> 2/2/2 ok...but my problem is that the monitor is so bright that prints
> simply don't match as well as with my Lacie III for which I can only pick up
> 4/4/4.  My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
> (colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good brightness
> setting with the Apple LCD monitors.

The issues to look into are NOT just when you can start to view separation
in values but how neutral all steps are! Ideally you want to start seeing
separation after zero or 1 and each step up to a pretty high level is
neutral or very close to neutral.

Andrew Rodney

On 1/31/03 7:02 AM, "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@...> wrote:

>>  From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
>> 
>> Andrew, thanks for copy of the black test.  Wondering if you have had any
>> experience with the apple LCD's?
> 
> Not a lot. I've seen them, played with them but don't own one (or would buy
> one yet due to the price and viewing angle issues which are getting better).
> When I can get a Cinema for the price of an Artisan WITH colorimeter, I'm
> there. 


I have an academic discount...so the cinema display is $1799...but then its
an extra $350 for the ICS software and colorimeter...but its getting close.
Of course the Cinema display is as big as a 24" CRT...so there is a good bit
more screen...in fact I think the same screen (the new apple 20) is already
less than the Artisan.
 
>> On my apple LCD 17 I seem to pick up a
>> 2/2/2 ok...but my problem is that the monitor is so bright that prints
>> simply don't match as well as with my Lacie III for which I can only pick up
>> 4/4/4.  My hunch is that the problem is with my calibration software
>> (colorvision's photocal or optical) which doesn't allow for good brightness
>> setting with the Apple LCD monitors.
> 
> The issues to look into are NOT just when you can start to view separation
> in values but how neutral all steps are! Ideally you want to start seeing
> separation after zero or 1 and each step up to a pretty high level is
> neutral or very close to neutral.

Neutrality is not a problem...they are much more even across the screen than
my calibrated LaCie at least...my only issue at this point is screen to
print match...and it seems to be one of intensity.

Robert

on 1/31/03 10:00 AM, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>  From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
> I have an academic discount...so the cinema display is $1799...but then its
> an extra $350 for the ICS software and colorimeter...but its getting close.
> Of course the Cinema display is as big as a 24" CRT...so there is a good bit
> more screen...in fact I think the same screen (the new apple 20) is already
> less than the Artisan.

For the 22 or 23? I'd skip the 22 for sure. The 23" is much nicer and has a
better viewing angle. Still, with a colorimeter and software, even at $1799,
you're a good $400+ over the cost of the Artisan and you'll have a lot more
work involved to get the display calibrated and profiled. What I love about
the Artisan is it's a snap to calibrate. Really one button.

Andrew Rodney

On 1/31/03 9:10 AM, "Andrew Rodney" <andrew@...> wrote:

> on 1/31/03 10:00 AM, DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> 
>>  From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
>> I have an academic discount...so the cinema display is $1799...but then its
>> an extra $350 for the ICS software and colorimeter...but its getting close.
>> Of course the Cinema display is as big as a 24" CRT...so there is a good bit
>> more screen...in fact I think the same screen (the new apple 20) is already
>> less than the Artisan.
> 
> For the 22 or 23? I'd skip the 22 for sure. The 23" is much nicer and has a
> better viewing angle.

23"...just ordered one...I think they are clearing the old 22's out at
around a grand.  The new 20"...which would be the same size as your Artisan
is at $1100...plus $350 for calibration...well under the $1800 prices that
I've seen for the Artisan.  The main difference is the incredible sharpness
of the apple monitors.  I can't even bear to look at text on my Lacie
anymore.  I end up proofing color on the Lacie and then moving the file to
the Apple to make sure I'm happy with what is there in detail.  Hopefully
when I get the new ICS software and Sequel hardware color will be good to go
on the apple LCD's.

Robert

I have a LaCie monitor (Electron Blue III 22"). I calibrated it with 
Monaco EZcolor using their hardware calibrator and software (I think 
their device is the same as the Blue Eye -- at least it looks the 
same). It works. I can see 1/1/1 which is clearly different from 0/0/0 
and 2/2/2. I'm generally quite pleased with this monitor.

Bob Damon

On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 05:30  AM, aitor Peña Inclán wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a 22" Lacie III and can´t calibrated it in OSX. The blueye 
> software
> give me an error.
> Does anyone have the same problem?
> Aitor
>
>
>> On my LaCie II 22"--blue eye calibrated in OS X-- I can see 1/1/1. 
>> It's well
>> documented that monitor quality varies from unit to unit. It's 
>> therefore hard
>> to
>> make brand/model generalizations based on use of an individual unit.
>>
>> Amadou Diallo
>
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