Digital BW, The Print

> Ultrachrome (w/photo black) inkset?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bobbo
> 
> New Photopaintings at http://www.bobbogoldberg.com
> 
> Voice Over website: http://www.bob-vo.com

> Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1287
> 
> From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
> Subject: Re: Paul: Black ink Question
> 
> Steve,
> 
>>> ...  The new UC clone inkset as a base for a new VM
>>> (modified with some even better inks) is a winner.
> 
>> ... is this under development do you know?  Is this the basis
>> for the new 'RC compatible' set that is due in the next few weeks?
> 
> I designed the inkset and gave the formula to MIS.  It's ready to go as far
> as I'm concerned.  MIS does it's own tests of inks to be sure there are not
> going to be any surprises down the road (although any new product may have
> characteristics that did not show up in tests), and I assume that is what
> they are doing now before they produce the inkset.
> 
> The inkset is based mostly on MIS 7600 (UC clone) inks.  The MIS 7600 light
> black did very well in my fade tests, is slightly warmer than the original
> MIS quads, and is close to the right density.  It is a pure carbon ink, I'm
> told -- and it looks and tests like it.  I fortified it with Epson Archival
> K.  So, I think in the real world of moisture and oxidizing gasses, it'll
> have a life that is longer than a pure carbon ink but shorter than the
> coated carbon Epson Archival quads.
> 
> The midtones are all RC compatible.  You'll have to switch blacks to switch
> paper types and get the dmax you're used to.
> 
> On my 1160 the standard vm curves all work fine.
> 
> The inkset is shifted slightly to the warm side.  This means that the nc
> curve is more neutral.  The original vm "nc" curve was cool to account for
> the expected warming.  The new inkset warms only slightly and at about
> 1/10th the rate of the old one, so no offsetting coolness is needed.
> 
> With a cool or cold curve, you can still go very cold.  However, the warm
> curve is closer to the pure carbon -- probably just like the PiezoTone
> sepia -- but not a true sepia such as the vm-s inkset can achieve.
> 
> The neutral tone is closer to the PiezoTone selenium.  Some have objected to
> what they see as a greenish bias in the current vm inkset.  This is gone
> now.
> 
> What is needed now is an easy way for people to switch between black inks.
> I think Robert (correct?) is using a continuous inking system with no black
> line/tube so that he can just pop in RC K or Matte K individual carts as
> needed.  There will be a variety of black inks for either paper.  The
> workflows are fairly tolerant of different density blacks.  The deep shadow
> contrast is mostly what is affected.
> 
> I hope this new vm responds to a number of suggestions that people have had.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jamie Gannon [mailto:jamie@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:44 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Paul: Black ink Question


  Paul,
  Any clues or rumors you are willing or able to offer regarding Cones
stated
  "new offerings - inks, printer compatibility, software" slated to be
  unveiled soon? Is he aiming for the same goals as your inks? Will we be
  wowed? Anyone out there at liberty to pique our interest with news -
rumors
  or facts?

  jamie gannon

  > Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1287
  >
  > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
  > Subject: Re: Paul: Black ink Question
  >
  > Steve,
  >
  >>> ...  The new UC clone inkset as a base for a new VM
  >>> (modified with some even better inks) is a winner.
  >
  >> ... is this under development do you know?  Is this the basis
  >> for the new 'RC compatible' set that is due in the next few weeks?
  >
  > I designed the inkset and gave the formula to MIS.  It's ready to go as
far
  > as I'm concerned.  MIS does it's own tests of inks to be sure there are
not
  > going to be any surprises down the road (although any new product may
have
  > characteristics that did not show up in tests), and I assume that is
what
  > they are doing now before they produce the inkset.
  >
  > The inkset is based mostly on MIS 7600 (UC clone) inks.  The MIS 7600
light
  > black did very well in my fade tests, is slightly warmer than the
original
  > MIS quads, and is close to the right density.  It is a pure carbon ink,
I'm
  > told -- and it looks and tests like it.  I fortified it with Epson
Archival
  > K.  So, I think in the real world of moisture and oxidizing gasses,
it'll
  > have a life that is longer than a pure carbon ink but shorter than the
  > coated carbon Epson Archival quads.
  >
  > The midtones are all RC compatible.  You'll have to switch blacks to
switch
  > paper types and get the dmax you're used to.
  >
  > On my 1160 the standard vm curves all work fine.
  >
  > The inkset is shifted slightly to the warm side.  This means that the nc
  > curve is more neutral.  The original vm "nc" curve was cool to account
for
  > the expected warming.  The new inkset warms only slightly and at about
  > 1/10th the rate of the old one, so no offsetting coolness is needed.
  >
  > With a cool or cold curve, you can still go very cold.  However, the
warm
  > curve is closer to the pure carbon -- probably just like the PiezoTone
  > sepia -- but not a true sepia such as the vm-s inkset can achieve.
  >
  > The neutral tone is closer to the PiezoTone selenium.  Some have
objected to
  > what they see as a greenish bias in the current vm inkset.  This is gone
  > now.
  >
  > What is needed now is an easy way for people to switch between black
inks.
  > I think Robert (correct?) is using a continuous inking system with no
black
  > line/tube so that he can just pop in RC K or Matte K individual carts as
  > needed.  There will be a variety of black inks for either paper.  The
  > workflows are fairly tolerant of different density blacks.  The deep
shadow
  > contrast is mostly what is affected.
  >
  > I hope this new vm responds to a number of suggestions that people have
had.
  >
  > Paul
  > http://www.PaulRoark.com



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