How to set-up an abrasion test?
2003-02-06 by Cleavis <lyonscox@cableone.net>
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2003-02-06 by Cleavis <lyonscox@cableone.net>
I'm not much of a scientist, at least in developing a procedure. How to set up a theory and test parameters for abrasion resistance of inkjet prints, particularly as they would be applied in a book format? Ideas? Thanks, Cleavis
2003-02-06 by Paul Roark
Cleavis, Interesting idea. I've rubbed black patches with my finger and measured the dmax drop to test the effectiveness of a light fixative spray. However, I suspect that a change in the reflectance of light at an obtuse angle occurs well before one could measure the rub-off with the densitometers we typically use. I'll be interested to see what you find. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com _______________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Cleavis <lyonscox@...> [mailto:lyonscox@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:16 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] How to set-up an abrasion test? I'm not much of a scientist, at least in developing a procedure. How to set up a theory and test parameters for abrasion resistance of inkjet prints, particularly as they would be applied in a book format? Ideas? Thanks, Cleavis Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2003-02-07 by jim hayes <jimhayes@frii.com>
My information is about twenty years old, so I'm just trying to recollect from memory. And I never studied statistics, I had a statistician at HP I always worked with. With that in mind... It's called "design of experiments". At HP, we'd set up 15-30 samples, as statisically that's about what you need to prove probability that you don't have a stray data point. In other words to predict what the entire population will do, subsample and the math works out to this many samples. That's 15-30 for each variation. So if you had one variable, let's say it's temperature effect on fade, you keep humidity, amount of light exposure, pollution, yada yada...EVERYthing else the same....but you have 15 samples at say 100 degrees f and 15 at normal temperature as "control". A lot of samples. So before you come up with a hypothesis you might take three or four samples and do stuff to them varying more things. When you see what seems to you to have the biggest impact, you have to design a way to do it consistantly to your real test samples. And CONTROL everything else but one variable if possible (there's a way to vary two variables+ at a time but it makes certain assumptions and makes my head spin too much<g>) So, what I might do here is say that physical stroking of paper causes the problem. But I'd try 3 or four samples and see if it gets worse when humidity changes say or type of paper or ink. You will probably have to restrict yourself to just one or two inks and paper types as variables multiply the number of tests needed to be run. Find out whether say paper change or ink change has the biggest effect this way and change just that one variable. Knowing that Hahnemule papers are more fragile than say Museo, you might use Museo as a control. Actually choosing enhanced matte might be better, as it is the old standby and everyone is familair with it- so it can be a "yardstick". Find a uniform way to abrade the paper. You need to control two variables here: co-effecient of friction and pressure applied which is composed further of force x area. For example a pencil eraser has a higher co-effecient of friction than a polished ball bearing. If you apply 1 ounce of force downward, perpendicular to the paper, but use a 2 inch diameter ball bearing it has less pressure than a 1/8 inch diameter ball bearing. So I would say here find somthing of constant area that applies a constant force and keep angle of force consistant. You could rely on a spring loaded something to apply a constant pressure on the paper. Or just keep it simple and use the weight of a 2 inch ball bearing or even a cube of steel or plastic with polished corners - glue a thread to it and drag it across the papers- simple. No spring needed. This is where you experiment with a few samples first to find what material to use and weight- and the machined finish of the steel or plastic is a variable also of course. In your case with a book format, why not have a method of non-permanently gluing another piece of the same paper to the bottom of the weight and dragging it across? Replace the paper often so it doesn't vary IT's characteristics either... And eliminate all other variables. Even subtle or unlikely ones. If I stroked the paper with my thumb, you might say it's non-uniform surface area, force, etc. The co-effiecent might change with how much oil or callus is on my thumb that day...and further the oil might have an unknown effect on the ink/paper...how do you really know? Well anyway, streching the point but you get the idea. JIm H. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Cleavis <lyonscox@c...>" <lyonscox@c...> wrote: > I'm not much of a scientist, at least in developing a procedure. > > How to set up a theory and test parameters for abrasion resistance of > inkjet prints, particularly as they would be applied in a book format?
> > Ideas? > > Thanks, > Cleavis