Digital BW, The Print

Jim, that is how I print on these papers - I spray them straight out of the
printer. The hard partis keeping dust etc off them whilst they dry!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:27 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...


> Yesterday I noticed that I could use some of the Epson Glossy Photo paper
> that came with my 1280 on dye or pigments, so I tried, and I actually
liked
> what I got wit the VM inks, granted I got that bronzing thing that happens
> but I just sprayed it and it went away.  The prints seem warmer then EAM
and
> definitely sharper, which are two thing I really like.  My question is
> this...is it bad to spray your prints to get rid of the bronzing?  Does it
> come back after a time?  I just really like the paper and figured I'd try
> more of it but wanted to know why many other don't seem to do it this way.
>
>
>
> Oh and also, does anyone know why exactly, spraying the prints makes the
> Bronzing go away?  I am assuming it has something to do with changing the
> surface of the paper but I don't know...
>
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> Thanks,
>
> Jim
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Julian, 
	You don't leave them hanging before you spray them, I was always
under the impression that glossy paper took a long time to dry, or can the
inks dry with the spray?

Jerry,
	Hmm, interesting Jerry, I can see why some people think that, after
the spraying it does have a sort of plasticy look about it, but I figured
behind glass who would know.

Thanks guys!

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Thomas [mailto:julianthomas@...] 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:32 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...

Jim, that is how I print on these papers - I spray them straight out of the
printer. The hard partis keeping dust etc off them whilst they dry!

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:27 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...


> Yesterday I noticed that I could use some of the Epson Glossy Photo paper
> that came with my 1280 on dye or pigments, so I tried, and I actually
liked
> what I got wit the VM inks, granted I got that bronzing thing that happens
> but I just sprayed it and it went away.  The prints seem warmer then EAM
and
> definitely sharper, which are two thing I really like.  My question is
> this...is it bad to spray your prints to get rid of the bronzing?  Does it
> come back after a time?  I just really like the paper and figured I'd try
> more of it but wanted to know why many other don't seem to do it this way.
>
>
>
> Oh and also, does anyone know why exactly, spraying the prints makes the
> Bronzing go away?  I am assuming it has something to do with changing the
> surface of the paper but I don't know...
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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the inks dry with the spray. There are many non-glossy photo papers that you
can use. If you want max dmax you are on a hiding to nothing with fineart
papers. Most of my stuff is sold framed - so I want the best 'behind-glass'
look I can get. For long tonal scale minimal black prints I use Wells River
or Photorag, for photos that are lo-key - I use the photo papers. As an
example http://www.foundobjectsgallery.com/FO/pages/card.htm this 'glows' on
Ilford 'Classic' pearl and is as flat as a pancake in comparison on
Photorag.  I've got prints I made with Ilford Warmtone FB paper hanging
alongside these 'tacky' photo papers and they match a lot more than the fine
art papers do on certain images. basically if you are selling framed prints
you use the best paper for the image - if you are letting people handle the
papers, then the fineart papers are very impressive.

Julian
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From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...


>
> Julian,
> You don't leave them hanging before you spray them, I was always
> under the impression that glossy paper took a long time to dry, or can the
> inks dry with the spray?
>
> > > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
>

> the inks dry with the spray

Uh, what spray are you guys talking about, anyhow ?

> If you want max dmax you are on a hiding to nothing with fineart
> papers

Huh ?

John

Dmax of MIS FS pigs on photo-type paper  is over 2.0 - compare that with the
1.7 - ish of fineart papers. As to the spray - I use this
http://www.mwords.co.uk/pages/productsFinishing.htm

Julian
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...


>
> > the inks dry with the spray
>
> Uh, what spray are you guys talking about, anyhow ?
>
> > If you want max dmax you are on a hiding to nothing with fineart
> > papers
>
> Huh ?
>
> John
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I just use the Krylon number 1305 and 1303 sprays, they seems to work pretty
good.  I am not sure about the d-max in that I have no way of measuring it
besides looking at it, and I don't see a great difference in before and
after with the VM inks.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: johngeyles <jge@...> [mailto:jge@...] 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:39 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...


> the inks dry with the spray

Uh, what spray are you guys talking about, anyhow ?

> If you want max dmax you are on a hiding to nothing with fineart
> papers

Huh ?

John




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the only reason for the spray is as a fixative - the dmax increase comes
through the use of the photo papers.

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Panzer" <jimp@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...


> I just use the Krylon number 1305 and 1303 sprays, they seems to work
pretty
> good.  I am not sure about the d-max in that I have no way of measuring it
> besides looking at it, and I don't see a great difference in before and
> after with the VM inks.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johngeyles <jge@...> [mailto:jge@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson Glossy Photo paper, and spraying...
>
>
> > the inks dry with the spray
>
> Uh, what spray are you guys talking about, anyhow ?
>
> > If you want max dmax you are on a hiding to nothing with fineart
> > papers
>
> Huh ?
>
> John
>
>
>
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