Digital BW, The Print

Martin, I just got the Varnished prints, but there is no sheet in the
package to indicate where I should send it next.

I got the package from Mark Tucker.  If a post with everybody's address
was sent, I must have either missed it, or not received it.

After looking at all the many different varnishes and papers, I must
say, I don't care much for the look. The blacks are a bit deeper, but
that quality is offset by the overall look of the paper, which just
doesn't seem "right".  Some papers look better than others, but one in
particular, Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera/Torchon (Same paper) looks
particularly horrible. Just awful.  The prints look like they were
printed on wrinkled saran wrap.

I love the blacks on uncoated Torchon, as they are about as deep as they
get. I sure wish there was less texture on that paper though.

I have made prints on Torchon, Epson Archival, Epson Watercolor, Legion
Photomatte and Eclipse, all which are extremely close to Torchon. 

I am very glad to see these coatings, to see what they look like, and
want to thank you for all the work that must have been, but I personally
just don't care for the "look" of varnished watercolor papers.

Jerry

A word of explanation on the prints Jerry mentions below. After all 
the various coating trials I did, I wound up with a big stack of 
coated prints. Some of them found their way to Todd and we started an 
impromptu circulation of the package of prints among about 10 people.

My idea was to give people a chance to see what a vanished inkjet, in 
this case Piezo, print looked like and get their opinions. The idea 
was I would collect all the comments after everyone had seen them and 
post one big message. We thought that we would get 10 uninfluenced 
impressions this way. Unfortunately I forgot to enclose any kind of 
instructions with the prints before they got to Jerry.

In any case, I am go to hold my comments for the moment and ask the 
rest of the group do the same.

If anyone else would like to see them, let me know and I can add you 
onto the end of the list. Each participant is responsible for the 
cost of shipping to the next person on the list.

These are not fine prints. I did the coating trials on work prints 
and the coatings are far from flawless. It is more an example of the 
possibilities of different coatings and papers combinations and not 
of what could be achieved in the quality area. I also included some 
uncoated prints for reference.

Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Martin, I just got the Varnished prints, but there is no sheet in 
the
> package to indicate where I should send it next.
> 
> I got the package from Mark Tucker.  If a post with everybody's 
address
> was sent, I must have either missed it, or not received it.
> 
> After looking at all the many different varnishes and papers, I must
> say, I don't care much for the look. The blacks are a bit deeper, 
but
> that quality is offset by the overall look of the paper, which just
> doesn't seem "right".  Some papers look better than others, but one 
in
> particular, Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera/Torchon (Same paper) 
looks
> particularly horrible. Just awful.  The prints look like they were
> printed on wrinkled saran wrap.
> 
> I love the blacks on uncoated Torchon, as they are about as deep as 
they
> get. I sure wish there was less texture on that paper though.
> 
> I have made prints on Torchon, Epson Archival, Epson Watercolor, 
Legion
> Photomatte and Eclipse, all which are extremely close to Torchon. 
> 
> I am very glad to see these coatings, to see what they look like, 
and
> want to thank you for all the work that must have been, but I 
personally

> just don't care for the "look" of varnished watercolor papers.
> 
> Jerry

Coated Eclipse Velvet is the show stopper...not sure whether Martin
experimented with that.  I personally don't like the textured papers coated
either.  In fact I don't really like any of the Hahnemule papers
coated...they are great uncoated though.  If Cone profiles Museo it should
also be a great coated paper.  Haven't seen the other smooth new papers yet.

Robert

On 9/20/01 12:15 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Martin, I just got the Varnished prints, but there is no sheet in the
> package to indicate where I should send it next.
> 
> I got the package from Mark Tucker.  If a post with everybody's address
> was sent, I must have either missed it, or not received it.
> 
> After looking at all the many different varnishes and papers, I must
> say, I don't care much for the look. The blacks are a bit deeper, but
> that quality is offset by the overall look of the paper, which just
> doesn't seem "right".  Some papers look better than others, but one in
> particular, Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera/Torchon (Same paper) looks
> particularly horrible. Just awful.  The prints look like they were
> printed on wrinkled saran wrap.
> 
> I love the blacks on uncoated Torchon, as they are about as deep as they
> get. I sure wish there was less texture on that paper though.
> 
> I have made prints on Torchon, Epson Archival, Epson Watercolor, Legion
> Photomatte and Eclipse, all which are extremely close to Torchon.
> 
> I am very glad to see these coatings, to see what they look like, and
> want to thank you for all the work that must have been, but I personally
> just don't care for the "look" of varnished watercolor papers.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

Hi Robert...

Yes, Eclipse is fast becoming my favorite paper. It is certainly going
to replace torchon. It's amazing that torchon prints are as sharp as
they are with all that texture. But Eclipse. Wow! that is a nice paper!

Jerry



Robert Morrison wrote:

> 
> Coated Eclipse Velvet is the show stopper...not sure whether Martin
> experimented with that.  I personally don't like the textured papers coated
> either.  In fact I don't really like any of the Hahnemule papers
> coated...they are great uncoated though.  If Cone profiles Museo it should
> also be a great coated paper.  Haven't seen the other smooth new papers yet.
> 
> Robert

Jerry:

Where do you get this paper?

Barbara

Jerry Olson wrote:
> 

> 
> Yes, Eclipse is fast becoming my favorite paper. It is certainly going
> to replace torchon.
Barbara White/Architectural Photography
http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com

Martin, Do you coated prints include an Eclipse one?  If not you should add
one in...in my opinion the nicest coated paper.  I'd really like to see a
MIS VM Eclipse print...coated and uncoated.

Robert

On 9/20/01 4:35 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...> wrote:

> Hi Robert...
> 
> Yes, Eclipse is fast becoming my favorite paper. It is certainly going
> to replace torchon. It's amazing that torchon prints are as sharp as
> they are with all that texture. But Eclipse. Wow! that is a nice paper!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Morrison wrote:
>> 
>> Coated Eclipse Velvet is the show stopper...not sure whether Martin
>> experimented with that.  I personally don't like the textured papers coated
>> either.  In fact I don't really like any of the Hahnemule papers
>> coated...they are great uncoated though.  If Cone profiles Museo it should
>> also be a great coated paper.  Haven't seen the other smooth new papers yet.
>> 
>> Robert
> 
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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

Photoinkjet.com  Its also two sided with a different texture on both sides
adding to the usefulness.

Robert


On 9/20/01 4:42 PM, "Barbara White" <barbara@...> wrote:

> Jerry:
> 
> Where do you get this paper?
> 
> Barbara
> 
> Jerry Olson wrote:
>> 
> 
>> 
>> Yes, Eclipse is fast becoming my favorite paper. It is certainly going
>> to replace torchon.
> Barbara White/Architectural Photography
> http://www.barbarawhitephoto.com
> 
> 
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Robert Morrison
rmorrison@...

310-397-2704

4131 Bledsoe Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90066

Robert,

I did try some Eclipse Velvet and Satine. They are not with the 
traveling group of prints at the moment although I will try to do an 
intercept time permitting.

They both coated very nicely in terms of both ease and final result.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Robert Morrison 
<rmorrison@p...> wrote:
> Coated Eclipse Velvet is the show stopper...not sure whether Martin
> experimented with that.  I personally don't like the textured 
papers coated
> either.  In fact I don't really like any of the Hahnemule papers
> coated...they are great uncoated though.  If Cone profiles Museo it 
should
> also be a great coated paper.  Haven't seen the other smooth new 
papers yet.
> 
> Robert
> 
> On 9/20/01 12:15 PM, "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> 
> > Martin, I just got the Varnished prints, but there is no sheet in 
the
> > package to indicate where I should send it next.
> > 
> > I got the package from Mark Tucker.  If a post with everybody's 
address
> > was sent, I must have either missed it, or not received it.
> > 
> > After looking at all the many different varnishes and papers, I 
must
> > say, I don't care much for the look. The blacks are a bit deeper, 
but
> > that quality is offset by the overall look of the paper, which 
just
> > doesn't seem "right".  Some papers look better than others, but 
one in
> > particular, Museum Parchment/Royal Riviera/Torchon (Same paper) 
looks
> > particularly horrible. Just awful.  The prints look like they were
> > printed on wrinkled saran wrap.
> > 
> > I love the blacks on uncoated Torchon, as they are about as deep 
as they
> > get. I sure wish there was less texture on that paper though.
> > 
> > I have made prints on Torchon, Epson Archival, Epson Watercolor, 
Legion
> > Photomatte and Eclipse, all which are extremely close to Torchon.
> > 
> > I am very glad to see these coatings, to see what they look like, 
and
> > want to thank you for all the work that must have been, but I 
personally
> > just don't care for the "look" of varnished watercolor papers.
> > 
> > Jerry
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other
> > resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
messages to keep
> > them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject 
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
or "flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
various
> > resources on the homepage.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> > 
> > 
> 
> ----------------------
> Robert Morrison
> rmorrison@p...
> 
> 310-397-2704
> 
> 4131 Bledsoe Ave.
> Los Angeles, CA 90066