Digital BW, The Print

Hi,

In a former life I was a traditional darkroom B&W printer. A 
couple of years ago I got an Epson  750 and then a 1200 and 
eventually started trying to use Piezography. It has worked OK, 
but I've always had banding issues with the 1200 despite 
following all the suggested remedies.

I'm ready to try a new printer. I'd be printing 19x13s and I think I'd 
like to use CIS. Any suggestions?  Also I suppose that means 
purchasing another version of Piezography software, right?

Thanks,

Susan

Susan,

I went the same route and was never able to eliminate some micro 
banding or sub-micro banding. This was one of the reasons I decided 
to give the MIS VM a try on a 1280, which has been fine in the 
banding department with the Epson driver.

I installed the new Piezo software and it did not improve my banding 
problems at all unfortunately.

I would suggest you go for a 1280 and with Piezo, which should be 
released any day now. I plan to do the same if ConeTech will provide 
an upgrade path from the 1200 to the 1280. It looks like Piezo for 
the 1280 will include the software, CIS and inks for $950. I would 
just as soon move all of the CIS off the 1200 except for the 
cartridges, use the ink I already have and not have to pay so much.

It currently looks like the cost to go with a 1280 Piezo system 
including the printer will be in the $1400 to $1500 range. Sigh. I 
really wanted to go this way with the Selenium Piezo inks when they 
come out but at that price it may be awhile.

Martin




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., sfleck@f... wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In a former life I was a traditional darkroom B&W printer. A 
> couple of years ago I got an Epson  750 and then a 1200 and 
> eventually started trying to use Piezography. It has worked OK, 
> but I've always had banding issues with the 1200 despite 
> following all the suggested remedies.
> 
> I'm ready to try a new printer. I'd be printing 19x13s and I think 
I'd 

> like to use CIS. Any suggestions?  Also I suppose that means 
> purchasing another version of Piezography software, right?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Susan

Martin,

My understanding is that, if you have v6 of the Piezo software, the 1280
driver will be a free upgrade. So then you'll only need a CIS for the new
printer...??? + new inks if you want the Selenium inks in that. Or have I
got something really wrong?

Nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...]
<snip>

>
> I would suggest you go for a 1280 and with Piezo, which should be
> released any day now. I plan to do the same if ConeTech will provide
> an upgrade path from the 1200 to the 1280. It looks like Piezo for
> the 1280 will include the software, CIS and inks for $950. I would
> just as soon move all of the CIS off the 1200 except for the
> cartridges, use the ink I already have and not have to pay so much.
>
> It currently looks like the cost to go with a 1280 Piezo system
> including the printer will be in the $1400 to $1500 range. Sigh. I
> really wanted to go this way with the Selenium Piezo inks when they
> come out but at that price it may be awhile.
>
> Martin

Nij,

That is very good news! I really think that my banding problems with 
Piezo are related to the particular 1200 I have and I want to move to 
something better. The main issue for me has been the color of the 
ink. So with a the selenium Piezo and a better printer I want to take 
another try at Piezo.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> My understanding is that, if you have v6 of the Piezo software, the 
1280
> driver will be a free upgrade. So then you'll only need a CIS for 
the new
> printer...??? + new inks if you want the Selenium inks in that. Or 
have I
> got something really wrong?
> 
> Nij
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> <snip>
> >
> > I would suggest you go for a 1280 and with Piezo, which should be
> > released any day now. I plan to do the same if ConeTech will 
provide
> > an upgrade path from the 1200 to the 1280. It looks like Piezo for
> > the 1280 will include the software, CIS and inks for $950. I would
> > just as soon move all of the CIS off the 1200 except for the
> > cartridges, use the ink I already have and not have to pay so 
much.
> >
> > It currently looks like the cost to go with a 1280 Piezo system
> > including the printer will be in the $1400 to $1500 range. Sigh. I
> > really wanted to go this way with the Selenium Piezo inks when 
they

> > come out but at that price it may be awhile.
> >
> > Martin

This is correct (Jon just posted about it in Piezo3000)

$50 for the upgrade to 6 (if you don't have it already)
$125-$160 for the CIS (I don't know what the chipped version costs now)
+ the inks

-mikeH

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:

> Martin,
> 
> My understanding is that, if you have v6 of the Piezo software, the 1280
> driver will be a free upgrade. So then you'll only need a CIS for the new
> printer...??? + new inks if you want the Selenium inks in that. Or have I
> got something really wrong?
> 
> Nij
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> <snip>
> >
> > I would suggest you go for a 1280 and with Piezo, which should be
> > released any day now. I plan to do the same if ConeTech will provide
> > an upgrade path from the 1200 to the 1280. It looks like Piezo for
> > the 1280 will include the software, CIS and inks for $950. I would
> > just as soon move all of the CIS off the 1200 except for the
> > cartridges, use the ink I already have and not have to pay so much.
> >
> > It currently looks like the cost to go with a 1280 Piezo system
> > including the printer will be in the $1400 to $1500 range. Sigh. I
> > really wanted to go this way with the Selenium Piezo inks when they
> > come out but at that price it may be awhile.
> >
> > Martin

Mike,

I was pleased to hear that ConeTech will not be charging for the 
software end for those upgrading to the 1280 from an existing system. 
That $950 price for the complete system (not including printer) was 
looking pretty prohibitive.

One comment, if you are moving a CIS from a 1200 to a 1280 you can 
just replace the cartridge portion for $45. Cleaning out the lines 
doesn't look like much fun but the other parts look to be identical 
and you will save a bunch. My CIS for the 1280 from NoMoreCarts ran 
me $225.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mh@t... wrote:
> This is correct (Jon just posted about it in Piezo3000)
> 
> $50 for the upgrade to 6 (if you don't have it already)
> $125-$160 for the CIS (I don't know what the chipped version costs 
now)
> + the inks
> 
> -mikeH
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Nij" <nigel@m...> wrote:
> > Martin,
> > 
> > My understanding is that, if you have v6 of the Piezo software, 
the 1280
> > driver will be a free upgrade. So then you'll only need a CIS for 
the new
> > printer...??? + new inks if you want the Selenium inks in that. 
Or have I
> > got something really wrong?
> > 
> > Nij
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@e...]
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > I would suggest you go for a 1280 and with Piezo, which should 
be
> > > released any day now. I plan to do the same if ConeTech will 
provide
> > > an upgrade path from the 1200 to the 1280. It looks like Piezo 
for
> > > the 1280 will include the software, CIS and inks for $950. I 
would
> > > just as soon move all of the CIS off the 1200 except for the
> > > cartridges, use the ink I already have and not have to pay so 
much.
> > >
> > > It currently looks like the cost to go with a 1280 Piezo system
> > > including the printer will be in the $1400 to $1500 range. 
Sigh. I
> > > really wanted to go this way with the Selenium Piezo inks when 
they

> > > come out but at that price it may be awhile.
> > >
> > > Martin

Don't forget the chips! They don't come with the replacement carts 
and I don't think David offers them seperately.

TR

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> I was pleased to hear that ConeTech will not be charging for the 
> software end for those upgrading to the 1280 from an existing 
system. 

> That $950 price for the complete system (not including printer) was 
> looking pretty prohibitive.
> 
> One comment, if you are moving a CIS from a 1200 to a 1280 you can 
> just replace the cartridge portion for $45. Cleaning out the lines 
> doesn't look like much fun but the other parts look to be identical 
> and you will save a bunch. My CIS for the 1280 from NoMoreCarts ran 
> me $225.
> 
> Martin
>

Terry,

Thanks for the tip. I assumed that they were included but I will ask 
before I buy.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "TerryR" <terryr1028@h...> 
wrote:
> Don't forget the chips! They don't come with the replacement carts 
> and I don't think David offers them seperately.
> 
> TR
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
> <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> > Mike,
> > 
> > I was pleased to hear that ConeTech will not be charging for the 
> > software end for those upgrading to the 1280 from an existing 
> system. 
> > That $950 price for the complete system (not including printer) 
was 
> > looking pretty prohibitive.
> > 
> > One comment, if you are moving a CIS from a 1200 to a 1280 you 
can 
> > just replace the cartridge portion for $45. Cleaning out the 
lines 
> > doesn't look like much fun but the other parts look to be 
identical 
> > and you will save a bunch. My CIS for the 1280 from NoMoreCarts 
ran 

> > me $225.
> > 
> > Martin
> >