Digital BW, The Print

After a while printing FS inks on Brightcube semi-matte (sprayed under
Morrison's advise) I'm very fond of it(though bronzing is never 100% gone).
Now it's almost out of stock here at home,and it looks like it's not being
made anymore,so I'm looking for the closest replacement. How Epson luster
compare? What about other papers?
Thanks,
Andr\ufffd Vallejo

InkjetGoodies.com still has thousands of sheets of the Brightcube 
Semi-Matte paper listed as "Red Rock" Semi-Matte

Should be available for quite some time. It is one of the few 
Brightcube papers that inkjetgoodies.com has decided to continue 
production of in Brightcube's absence.

Gregory Schern
InkjetGoodies.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, André Vallejo 
<avs@p...> wrote:
> After a while printing FS inks on Brightcube semi-matte (sprayed 
under
> Morrison's advise) I'm very fond of it(though bronzing is never 
100% gone).
> Now it's almost out of stock here at home,and it looks like it's 
not being
> made anymore,so I'm looking for the closest replacement. How Epson 
luster

> compare? What about other papers?
> Thanks,
> André Vallejo

I just received an email from Bill Boy who read my post here,and found that
the paper is now made by Red River,and sold here...
<http://inkjetgoodies.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IG&Ca
tegory_Code=P25>

> Message: 5
>    Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:33:06 +0200
>    From: "Julian Thomas" <julianthomas@...>
> Subject: Re: Brightcube semi-matte similars
>
> Andre, I used to use BS SM but now use the Ilford Classic pearl or gloss
> papers - note they also do a quickdry alternative but with poorer
> archival-ness.
>
> Julian
>

Sunday, March 30, 2003, 5:36:00 PM, Andr\ufffd Vallejo wrote:

AV> I just received an email from Bill Boy who read my post here,and found that
AV> the paper is now made by Red River,and sold here...
AV> <http://inkjetgoodies.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=IG&Ca
tegory_Code=P25>>


Not Red River, but Red Rock Innovations.  The site is right though.

Best regards,
 Richard  

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Andre,

I'm assuming that you are using a workflow with one of the older quad ink
sets?  You might want to  consider trying the new MIS Ultra-quad inkset with
photo black with these papers.  This ink set doesn't require spraying of the
RC papers.  I've been using a 2200 with Imageprint with Brightcube
Semi-Matte, Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl, Generations Pro Photo Lustre and
Epson Professional Glossy all with good success (Colorbyte has made custom
profiles for all of these for both color and BW with the 2200).  To get
better results in hilights and shadows and broading toning options I'm
switching my 1280 over to the Ultra-Quads (MIS VM 4.3 that Paul Roark has
developed), driving it with the new Ink Jet Control software.  This will
allow me to make precisely tuned custom profiles for the papers and this ink
set.

Robert

PS  If you are looking for an glossy air-dried silver print look the Epson
Pro Glossy is as close as it gets at the moment.

 On 3/30/03 6:36 AM, "André Vallejo" <avs@...> wrote:

> After a while printing FS inks on Brightcube semi-matte (sprayed under
> Morrison's advise) I'm very fond of it(though bronzing is never 100% gone).
> Now it's almost out of stock here at home,and it looks like it's not being
> made anymore,so I'm looking for the closest replacement. How Epson luster
> compare? What about other papers?
> Thanks,
> André Vallejo
> 
> 
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Greg, are you not also going to continue the Eclipse Bright White
Satine?  If not, can you tell us why? and what would be the closest
possible paper to it, in whiteness, texture and price?

Jerry




Gregory Schern wrote:

> 
> InkjetGoodies.com still has thousands of sheets of the Brightcube
> Semi-Matte paper listed as "Red Rock" Semi-Matte
> 
> Should be available for quite some time. It is one of the few
> Brightcube papers that inkjetgoodies.com has decided to continue
> production of in Brightcube's absence.
> 
> Gregory Schern
> InkjetGoodies.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Andr\ufffd Vallejo
> <avs@p...> wrote:
> > After a while printing FS inks on Brightcube semi-matte (sprayed
> under
> > Morrison's advise) I'm very fond of it(though bronzing is never
> 100% gone).
> > Now it's almost out of stock here at home,and it looks like it's
> not being
> > made anymore,so I'm looking for the closest replacement. How Epson
> luster
> > compare? What about other papers?
> > Thanks,
> > Andr\ufffd Vallejo
> 
> 
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I\ufffdm using the FS-BW from MIS,guess it\ufffds old stuff,but as I want neutral
prints,not warm or cool,looks like it\ufffds the best choice.Could I change the
100% black ink for the photo black only? Guess so.I just found out the Red
River(or was it Red Rock...anyway...) so I'll be buying from
them...InkjetGoodies.com also have lots of it too,as I was told. As it's
hard to me to get paper here(I have to import everything from
US,paper,ink...and importing from US isn\ufffdt very popular around here this
troubled days) I tend to stay with the brands I got used to BC SM and EAM.
The other point is that I'm considering to buy the upcoming Canon i9100 for
the possibilities that the swapping heads brings. But again,my idea was to
make a trip to US after it's released,maybe June so I could buy some stuff
including the printer (strange,but the air ticket is cheaper then mailing it
all). The idea is on hold for the fear of flying to US this days...
Strange world...
Regards,
Andr\ufffd

>    Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:51:24 -0800
>    From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
> Subject: Re: Brightcube semi-matte similars
>
> Andre,
>
> I'm assuming that you are using a workflow with one of the older quad ink
> sets?  You might want to  consider trying the new MIS Ultra-quad inkset
with
> photo black with these papers.  This ink set doesn't require spraying of
the
> RC papers.  I've been using a 2200 with Imageprint with Brightcube
> Semi-Matte, Ilford Gallerie Smooth Pearl, Generations Pro Photo Lustre and
> Epson Professional Glossy all with good success (Colorbyte has made custom
> profiles for all of these for both color and BW with the 2200).  To get
> better results in hilights and shadows and broading toning options I'm
> switching my 1280 over to the Ultra-Quads (MIS VM 4.3 that Paul Roark has
> developed), driving it with the new Ink Jet Control software.  This will
> allow me to make precisely tuned custom profiles for the papers and this
ink

> set.
>
> Robert

Hi Richard.
I use Krlyon 1305.After the prints dried for some hors,I spray two light
coats,the let them dry for another few hours,spray then again,and that's
it.Works well,but at certain view angles,some bronzing is impossible to
avoid...but not to much. And yes,it\ufffds Red Rock,not Red River...you know,
rocks are in the rivers that goes by the woods,from where we get the
paper...

>    Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:56:11 -0800
>    From: Richard Sintchak <richard@...>
> Subject: Re: Brightcube semi-matte similars
>
> Sunday, March 30, 2003, 6:36:44 AM, Andr\ufffd Vallejo wrote:
>
> AV> After a while printing FS inks on Brightcube semi-matte (sprayed under
> AV> Morrison's advise) >
>
> Andre,
>
> I believe the same exact stuff is now called Red Rock Innovations
> Semi-Matte sold from www.inkjetgoodies.com. I use it mostly in my 2200
> for color work since I've created a great custom profile for it using
> Profile Prism. It's about half the cost of Epson Lustre and I think as
> good.
>
> I might try some in my 1160 with I use with FS-N inks now that you
> have mentioned it.  What do you use to spray it?
>
> Best regards,
>  Richard

Monday, March 31, 2003, 9:13:54 AM, Jerry Olson wrote:

JO> Greg, are you not also going to continue the Eclipse Bright White
JO> Satine?  If not, can you tell us why? and what would be the closest
JO> possible paper to it, in whiteness, texture and price?

JO> Jerry


All indications Greg has given me is that he plans on continuing it.
I sure hope so, it's my favorite paper for both color and B&W.

Best regards,
 Richard  

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Monday, March 31, 2003, 6:46:56 PM, Andr\ufffd Vallejo wrote:

AV> Hi Richard.
AV> I use Krlyon 1305.After the prints dried for some hors,I spray two light
AV> coats,the let them dry for another few hours,spray then again,and that's
AV> it.Works well,but at certain view angles,some bronzing is impossible to
AV> avoid...but not to much.

Thanks Andre.  Do yo uhave any dust issues?

AV> And yes,it\ufffds Red Rock,not Red River...you know,
AV> rocks are in the rivers that goes by the woods,from where we get the
AV> paper...

Yes, a good point! Someone should start Red Woods Paper Company. Then
we'd have it all covered. :-)

Best regards,
 Richard  

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No dust problems,but I have them drying into a drower...and from there to
the file!

Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:43:17 -0800

   From: Richard Sintchak <richard@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Brightcube semi-matte similars

Monday, March 31, 2003, 6:46:56 PM, Andr\ufffd Vallejo wrote:

AV> Hi Richard.
AV> I use Krlyon 1305.After the prints dried for some hors,I spray two light
AV> coats,the let them dry for another few hours,spray then again,and that's
AV> it.Works well,but at certain view angles,some bronzing is impossible to
AV> avoid...but not to much.

Thanks Andre.  Do yo uhave any dust issues?

On 3/31/03 6:46 PM, "André Vallejo" <avs@...> wrote:

> I´m using the FS-BW from MIS,guess it´s old stuff,but as I want neutral
> prints,not warm or cool,looks like it´s the best choice.Could I change the
> 100% black ink for the photo black only? Guess so.

No you can't .  All of the FS inks including the grays are incompatible with
the glossy/semi-matte papers.  You will need to change to all Ultra-Quad
inks including the photo black to make the inks truly compatible with the
paper.  You will be much more likely to get neutral prints by using the
Ultra-Quads with the Semi-Matte paper.  MIS FS is very warm of neutral on
the BC semi-matte.  FS-N is closer to neutral on this paper...but with the
ultra-quads and a driver like the ink jet control software you should be
able to get something that is exactly neutral (whatever that is for you)
with the BC semi-matte.

Robert

Curious,I've been using the FS set in my remaining BC SM and it's printing
fine,and pretty neutral(or whatever looks neutral to me...!) using those
John Wool'f curves. So,guess mystery is part of the game. The real upgrade
for me shall be when THAT Canon comes up,the looks (as far as I'm aware)
that I'll have to change to Piezo inks,as only they announced inks for it.
Regards,
Andr\ufffd

From: Robert Morrison <rmorrison@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Brightcube semi-matte similars

On 3/31/03 6:46 PM, "Andr\ufffd Vallejo" <avs@...> wrote:

> I\ufffdm using the FS-BW from MIS,guess it\ufffds old stuff,but as I want neutral
> prints,not warm or cool,looks like it\ufffds the best choice.Could I change the
> 100% black ink for the photo black only? Guess so.

No you can't .  All of the FS inks including the grays are incompatible with
the glossy/semi-matte papers.  You will need to change to all Ultra-Quad
inks including the photo black to make the inks truly compatible with the
paper.  You will be much more likely to get neutral prints by using the
Ultra-Quads with the Semi-Matte paper.  MIS FS is very warm of neutral on
the BC semi-matte.  FS-N is closer to neutral on this paper...but with the
ultra-quads and a driver like the ink jet control software you should be
able to get something that is exactly neutral (whatever that is for you)
with the BC semi-matte.

Robert