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2003-03-31 by scrber
I am still worried that my new Ultratone inks may be wrongly labelled due to the issues I am having with the curves. I have triple checked my installation - it is OK and the ink order is : K - black C - Dark grey M - Dark blue toner Y - light grey PC - Mid grey PM - light blue toner. IS this correct? I couldn't find info on the positions anywhere, a short reply would be a great help. Thanks Steve
2003-03-31 by Charles Bandes
That should be correct. What printer? What platform? If it's a 1280, you may find that the standard 1280 curves lead to flat/muddy midtones around 70% (many of us have had this problem with the recent VM inksets) - if you do, try the Tyler Boley curves and/or Pauls 1290 curves, both of them give me _way_ better results. You could also try Roy's QuadtoneRIP which has some really nice curve development tools included (and it's free! :) ) --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...> wrote:
> I am still worried that my new Ultratone inks may be wrongly > labelled due to the issues I am having with the curves. I have > triple checked my installation - it is OK and the ink order is : > K - black > C - Dark grey > M - Dark blue toner > Y - light grey > PC - Mid grey > PM - light blue toner. > > IS this correct? I couldn't find info on the positions anywhere, a > short reply would be a great help. > > Thanks > > Steve
2003-04-01 by Paul Roark
MIS is sending me a 1280 and a production run of Ultra Tone inks. So, maybe I'll be able to tell what is going on with that platform and the production UT inks. Given the popularity of the printer, I'll probably make a new cross-platform set of curves that are tailored to the new inkset. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com _________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: Charles Bandes [mailto:byronbulb@...] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:20 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: VM Ink Positions - can anyone help? That should be correct. What printer? What platform? If it's a 1280, you may find that the standard 1280 curves lead to flat/muddy midtones around 70% (many of us have had this problem with the recent VM inksets) - if you do, try the Tyler Boley curves and/or Pauls 1290 curves, both of them give me _way_ better results. You could also try Roy's QuadtoneRIP which has some really nice curve development tools included (and it's free! :) ) --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" <stephen.bate@m...> wrote: > I am still worried that my new Ultratone inks may be wrongly > labelled due to the issues I am having with the curves. I have > triple checked my installation - it is OK and the ink order is : > K - black > C - Dark grey > M - Dark blue toner > Y - light grey > PC - Mid grey > PM - light blue toner. > > IS this correct? I couldn't find info on the positions anywhere, a > short reply would be a great help. > > Thanks > > Steve Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-04-01 by scrber
HI Paul, thanks for the response, that would be a great help, certainly on my 1290 the curves are pretty unusable at the minute, I seem to have the same noise/grain issue as Doug Fisher on his 1160 (only on the tone positions) and a horrible hole at around 80%. I dropped you a mail offlist. Kind regards Steve. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > MIS is sending me a 1280 and a production run of Ultra Tone inks. So, maybe > I'll be able to tell what is going on with that platform and the production > UT inks. Given the popularity of the printer, I'll probably make a new > cross-platform set of curves that are tailored to the new inkset. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > _________________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Bandes [mailto:byronbulb@y...] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:20 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: VM Ink Positions - can anyone help? > > > That should be correct. > > What printer? What platform? > > If it's a 1280, you may find that the standard 1280 curves lead to > flat/muddy midtones around 70% (many of us have had this problem with the > recent VM inksets) - if you do, try the Tyler Boley curves and/or Pauls > 1290 curves, both of them give me _way_ better results. > > You could also try Roy's QuadtoneRIP which has some really nice curve > development tools included (and it's free! :) ) > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" > <stephen.bate@m...> wrote: > > I am still worried that my new Ultratone inks may be wrongly > > labelled due to the issues I am having with the curves. I have > > triple checked my installation - it is OK and the ink order is : > > K - black > > C - Dark grey > > M - Dark blue toner > > Y - light grey > > PC - Mid grey > > PM - light blue toner. > > > > IS this correct? I couldn't find info on the positions anywhere, a > > short reply would be a great help. > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-04-02 by scrber
Paul, will you also be tuning the curves for the 1290, I seem to remember the two printers were different enough to have a significant effect on the output. If you no longer have a 1290, would it help if I posted you prints from the 1290 using the new 1280 curves? Or is the workflow more involved than this? Thanks Steve. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > MIS is sending me a 1280 and a production run of Ultra Tone inks. So, maybe > I'll be able to tell what is going on with that platform and the production > UT inks. Given the popularity of the printer, I'll probably make a new > cross-platform set of curves that are tailored to the new inkset. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > _________________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Bandes [mailto:byronbulb@y...] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:20 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: VM Ink Positions - can anyone help? > > > That should be correct. > > What printer? What platform? > > If it's a 1280, you may find that the standard 1280 curves lead to > flat/muddy midtones around 70% (many of us have had this problem with the > recent VM inksets) - if you do, try the Tyler Boley curves and/or Pauls > 1290 curves, both of them give me _way_ better results. > > You could also try Roy's QuadtoneRIP which has some really nice curve > development tools included (and it's free! :) ) > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" > <stephen.bate@m...> wrote: > > I am still worried that my new Ultratone inks may be wrongly > > labelled due to the issues I am having with the curves. I have > > triple checked my installation - it is OK and the ink order is : > > K - black > > C - Dark grey > > M - Dark blue toner > > Y - light grey > > PC - Mid grey > > PM - light blue toner. > > > > IS this correct? I couldn't find info on the positions anywhere, a > > short reply would be a great help. > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
2003-04-02 by Paul Roark
Steve, >Paul, will you also be tuning the curves for the 1290, No, I have no plans to do more with that printer. The existing curves should work fine with the new Ultra Tone inks -- at least once the beta testing is completed. > I seem to remember the two printers were different enough >to have a significant effect on the output. True. >If you no longer have a 1290, would it help if >I posted you prints from the 1290 using the new 1280 curves? Or is >the workflow more involved than this? Thanks, but I doubt that would be an efficient way to go about it. I really don't think modifications will be needed. Paul http://www.PaulRoark.com ________________________________________ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > MIS is sending me a 1280 and a production run of Ultra Tone inks. So, maybe > I'll be able to tell what is going on with that platform and the production > UT inks. Given the popularity of the printer, I'll probably make a new > cross-platform set of curves that are tailored to the new inkset. > > Paul > http://www.PaulRoark.com > _________________________________________ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Bandes [mailto:byronbulb@y...] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:20 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: VM Ink Positions - can anyone help? > > > That should be correct. > > What printer? What platform? > > If it's a 1280, you may find that the standard 1280 curves lead to > flat/muddy midtones around 70% (many of us have had this problem with the > recent VM inksets) - if you do, try the Tyler Boley curves and/or Pauls > 1290 curves, both of them give me _way_ better results. > > You could also try Roy's QuadtoneRIP which has some really nice curve > development tools included (and it's free! :) ) > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "scrber" > <stephen.bate@m...> wrote: > > I am still worried that my new Ultratone inks may be wrongly > > labelled due to the issues I am having with the curves. I have > > triple checked my installation - it is OK and the ink order is : > > K - black > > C - Dark grey > > M - Dark blue toner > > Y - light grey > > PC - Mid grey > > PM - light blue toner. > > > > IS this correct? I couldn't find info on the positions anywhere, a > > short reply would be a great help. > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - Include your full name with your message. > - Include the address of your website, if you have one. > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; > - Complete your Yahoo profile. > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various > resources on the homepage. > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - Include your full name with your message. - Include the address of your website, if you have one. - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject header. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or &amp;quot;flames.&amp;quot; - Complete your Yahoo profile. - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the various resources on the homepage. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/