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Re: Re: For Andrew and K2 - (long)

2003-05-08 by Jon

Thanks for the enlightening post Rick.

I remember coming across a book in college that was a collection of
photographs censored by the US Government during WWII. There were many
pictures of warehouses full of material collected in scrap drives--much of
the rubber, metal, etc. rotting away as it couldn't be recycled using
then-current technology.

Other pictures censored were of non-caucasian or mixed race people that had
either been successful, brave, or were shown mixing with caucasians
(especially if they were of African/Latin descent).

The photograph that stands out the most in my memory was one of a
Japanese-American man standing at the door of his car at the gate of one of
the internment camps. He had an agitated, confused look on his face--and was
neatly dressed in his heavily decorated WWI US Army uniform.

This only makes me wonder even more what is going on right now in Guantanamo
Bay.

http://web.amnesty.org/web/wire.nsf/April2002/guantanamo

Jon
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> Andrew (Malaysia) and others who are interested,
> 
> I'm sure Jack and others can offer an explanation but as Andy kindly pointed
> out I am of Japanese descent (third generation Japanese American).  So
> perhaps, without assuming any moral high ground, I can offer some personal
> insights.
> 
> Unfortunately, unbeknownst to much of the US populace even today, several
> months after the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor (12-7-42) the
> President passed an emergency Executive Order that directed anyone with
> Japanese descent living in the Western United States to be incarcerated,
> without due legal process, in various relocation centers (i.e., prisons).
> The crime was never identified and the locations and length of time was
> undetermined. 
> 
> My parents and three siblings (age 11, 4 and 2) had 48 hours to gather what
> they could carry and were rounded up and sent to a processing center. As
> they owned and operated a grocery store in San Francisco they were bused to
> a local race track where they were assigned a filthy 10''x16' horse stall
> and told to make do with several cots, a pile of blankets, and a few pots
> and pans. There were communal outhouses, kitchens and, other than the wooden
> walls separating the stalls, no privacy whatsoever. What was supposed to be
> a three or five day stay turned into almost three weeks - all behind locked
> gates, barbed wire and no legal representation. At the height of the frenzy
> there was even hushed discussion in Congress of forced castration on these
> innocent people.
> 
> My family was eventually interned at Topaz, Utah - a dusty, hot-in-the
> summer/freezing-cold-in-the-winter high desert (i.e. a hell hole). They were
> there for 2 1/2 years. My father worked three jobs and, remember, my mother
> had three young kids with another born while they were there. This was
> definitely NOT a camping trip.
> 
> After leaving the internment camp and fearing extreme "anti-Jap"  sentiment
> on the West Coast they were accepted into a Catholic orphanage in Salt Lake
> City where they lived and worked, saving what money they could while waiting
> for the racism to subside so they could return to San Francisco. In 1950 -
> almost 8 years after being uprooted they were finally able to return to
> familiar surroundings only to find their personal effects, the business and
> property gone. 
> 
> My father passed away a few weeks ago (92 years old!) and in spite of
> surviving a catastrophic earthquake in Japan and the Great Depression,
> losing a young daughter and then his wife, and other tragedies and hardships
> that we all endure, he always said that the most emotionally and financially
> devastating and humiliating experience was having his family abruptly ripped
> from their home and business and forced to live like  prisoners for no other
> reason than skin color and nationality. Some will say it was for their own
> protection - bullshit - others will say it was for national security - more
> bullshit. The overarching reason was to rip-off homes, businesses and land
> from many of the hardworking Japanese in the cities and farming communities.
> 
> So political correctness aside - you can now understand why many of us who
> value freedom and humanity in this group and elsewhere (the real patriots)
> cringe and become gravely concerned when racial epithets - however innocent
> - are bandied about. And even more so, are really angered when the practice
> is rationalized as being either the norm, meaningless vestiges of an
> unfortunate past, or - which really pisses me off - written off as
> predictable responses from the overly sensitive, politically correct crowd
> (thanks Rush and Savage!).
> 
> So, Andrew and others, there's a wealth of info on the Web if you're
> interested. Even today, many high school US history books fail to offer any
> in depth information of the Japanese internment camps, if any, at all.
> 
> If anyone has any comment I'd be more than happy to discuss it further
> off-list.
> 
> It's time to move on!
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Rick Murai

Re: For Andrew and K2 - this one is short

2003-05-08 by K2 Chittin

Rick and others

I've been a reasonably long member of this list and, even though I 
don't always get much time or have the depth of experience to 
contribute often, I'd like to stay "on-side" with everyone - and 
hence this last short post on the matter.

I deeply understand everyone's feelings on the subject and, even 
though I wasn't originally involved in the thread, I apologise if I 
offended anyone indirectly with my own post referring to the cultural 
divide.  I only wanted to point out that this is an international 
list and that sometimes people may cause extreme offence without 
realising or ever intending to, due to regional differences of even 
the same language.

I agree with Rick's final words ... Let's move on.

K2

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