Digital BW, The Print

-mh
If you think $38.00 is a lot of money for 500ml of coating then you better
stick with the papers that are available presently. It is going to cost you
far more then $38 to coat a properly working sheet.

I have found that most times it is not the sheet or the inks that are the
problem, but the operator. You have to take the time to test and create
profiles so the combination of the printer/ink/paper work in combination
with each other. There just are no shortcuts in this industry.

The paper manufacturers have spent 100's of thousands of dollars getting
these sheets to the market. If it were easy everyone would be making their
own paper and coatings.

"It just aint gona happen!"


Jim Davis
http://www.visual-artists.com
davis.jarthur@...
Supplier of fine art printing products


----- Original Message -----
From: <mh@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:07 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: sizing uncoated papers


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...>
> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mh@t... wrote:
> > > URL:  http://www.lotusviewcamera.at/
> >
> > This is liquid photo emulsion, similar to LiquidLight, for coating
> > paper for DARKROOM work; not for inkjet printing. I agree with
> > Diana; why try to reinvent the wheel?
>
>
> You didn't look in the right place.
>
> I could see this as being something I would like to try, but the cost
> in money and time would be great. Their 500ml bottle is about $38 USD,
> is that correct?
>
> As far as coatings and archival-ness, what is usually the ingredient
> that causes the most concern? and what is it in them that reacts to ink
> in sometimes ill ways?
>
> -mh
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It is precisely that reason that one might want to consider this route; 
everyone has a different combination of ink/printer/imagery and 
different preferences and goals with their work.

Sometimes it is possible to end up with a better product by hand 
because you are willing to do things that commercial companies can't do 
in a production type environment, either because of cost or effort or 
otherwise. I know that it isn't easy and that it won't save money but 
the results could be better, if only for the uniqueness.

-mh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis" <
jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:

> -mh
> If you think $38.00 is a lot of money for 500ml of coating then you better
> stick with the papers that are available presently. It is going to cost you
> far more then $38 to coat a properly working sheet.
> 
> I have found that most times it is not the sheet or the inks that are the
> problem, but the operator. You have to take the time to test and create
> profiles so the combination of the printer/ink/paper work in combination
> with each other. There just are no shortcuts in this industry.
> 
> The paper manufacturers have spent 100's of thousands of dollars getting
> these sheets to the market. If it were easy everyone would be making their
> own paper and coatings.
> 
> "It just aint gona happen!"
> 
> 
> Jim Davis
> http://www.visual-artists.com
> davis.jarthur@v...
> Supplier of fine art printing products
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mh@t...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:07 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: sizing uncoated papers
> 
> 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Mark Tucker" <mark@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., mh@t... wrote:
> > > > URL:  http://www.lotusviewcamera.at/
> > >
> > > This is liquid photo emulsion, similar to LiquidLight, for coating
> > > paper for DARKROOM work; not for inkjet printing. I agree with
> > > Diana; why try to reinvent the wheel?
> >
> >
> > You didn't look in the right place.
> >
> > I could see this as being something I would like to try, but the cost
> > in money and time would be great. Their 500ml bottle is about $38 USD,
> > is that correct?
> >
> > As far as coatings and archival-ness, what is usually the ingredient
> > that causes the most concern? and what is it in them that reacts to ink
> > in sometimes ill ways?
> >
> > -mh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls and
> other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
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> >
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> resources on the homepage.
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> >
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> >
> >

Hi,

The coating at Lotusviewcamera is in DM (German Marks)

38 DM = 17 dollars US

so you can get 1 liter for 38 bucks.

Not so expensive after all I think

Regards,

DH

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., davidhatton@t... wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The coating at Lotusviewcamera is in DM (German Marks)
> 
> 38 DM = 17 dollars US
> 
> so you can get 1 liter for 38 bucks.
> 
> Not so expensive after all I think
> 
> Regards,
> 
> DH

yeah, I lost track of my numbers, (I was pricing a lot of the stuff on 
their site, like that nice 8x10!)

How many sheets could you coat with a liter do you think?

-mikeH

Hi Mike,

Obviously that would depend on paper size (in inches not size in 
size) and the type of paper. I think at that price it's certainly 
worth experimenting. There are tons of textured and Japanes papers 
out there just waiting to be used....


DH