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Re: [Digital BW] Posterprint Rip question

Re: [Digital BW] Posterprint Rip question

2003-07-12 by Ernst Dinkla

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From: "photographyworks" <photographyworks@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Posterprint Rip question


> Hi,
> can anybody who is well experienced with tis rip answer
following
> questions:
> Is it possible to obtain a dead neutral grayscale with gen4
inks on
> an epson 9000?
> How does this rip compare tp imageprint due to black and white
> loaded with gen4?
> Thanks in advance.
> Bernard

There's no chance that you will get dead neutral grayscales with
the Generations 4 CcMmYK inkset. Not on a 9000 or any other 6
color printer with that droplet size and resolution. Not with the
Epson driver, ImagePrint or any other RIP. There's a limit on the
black generation when no extra grey ink is available and the
droplet size is too coarse for the same task. Metamerism is too
high if compared to quad sets. I've both inksets in 9000s and a
RIP that allows me as much control as ImagePrint and PosterPrint
have.

Ernst

Re: [Digital BW] Posterprint Rip question

2003-07-14 by roberteversole

> There's no chance that you will get dead neutral grayscales with
> the Generations 4 CcMmYK inkset.

Sorry for the delayed result.  I was busy over the weekend lowering my skin's L* value.

I don't know if I can agree with such a blanket statement considering there is no first-
hand experience with the software in question as originally requested.

"No chance" would be more like expecting beautiful color from quad blacks than dead 
nuetral with CcMmYK.  If it can be done with the UC inkset with its very brown black, 
it can be done with inksets that have other limitations as well.  How that applies here 
is unknown at this point.

ErgoSoft, ColorByte and Wasatch are all three very different.  Just because a feature is 
present (or not in some cases) doesn't mean it works the same or provides exactly the 
same results.  These differences in philosophy are the key difference between 
ImagePrint and StudioPrint that allows the two products to coexist in the 
photographic marketplace so effectively.  The fundamental philosophies and 
methodologies are very different.  Where they may appear to be the same, they are 
not as is the case with ErgoSoft and Wasatch RIPs.  The features may look exactly the 
same but they are not.

It may very well be too difficult or impossible to achieve the desired result with this 
inkset but I would suggest going through the evaluation process objectively as 
opposed to making or accepting a global assumption, however well intented.  Until 
it's scientifically verified, it's not fact but theory.  At this point, the "no chance" 
statement is theory until proven otherwise.

To drive a point home before I start a flame throwing war: It may very well be too 
difficult or impossible to achieve the desired result with this inkset but I would 
suggest going through the evaluation process objectively.

I'm not so arrogant as to say that StudioPrint is the one single product for every 
scenario and every user.  That's exactly why we have such a liberal evaluation policy, 
so you can make an informed decision based upon the facts as they apply specifically 
to you.  You can decide yourself without having to sift through opinion, assumption 
and theory.

Thanks for the podium,

Robert
-- 
Robert Eversole
President
ErgoSoft U. S. LLC

reversole@...
T     703.464.0876
F     703.783.6201
IM   ergosoft1

Re: [Digital BW] Posterprint Rip question

2003-07-14 by Ernst Dinkla

Robert,

To quote one line of a message that had 6 of them and add about
30 lines that circle around the facts has nothing to do with
netiquette but more with demagogy. The messages were:

> Hi,
> can anybody who is well experienced with tis rip answer
following
> questions:
> Is it possible to obtain a dead neutral grayscale with gen4
inks on
> an epson 9000?
> How does this rip compare tp imageprint due to black and white
> loaded with gen4?
> Thanks in advance.
> Bernard

There's no chance that you will get dead neutral grayscales with
the Generations 4 CcMmYK inkset. Not on a 9000 or any other 6
color printer with that droplet size and resolution. Not with the
Epson driver, ImagePrint or any other RIP. There's a limit on the
black generation when no extra grey ink is available and the
droplet size is too coarse for the same task. Metamerism is too
high if compared to quad sets. I've both inksets in 9000s and a
RIP that allows me as much control as ImagePrint and PosterPrint
have.

Ernst

On that you can answer: Yes it is possible or what you have
written:


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "roberteversole" <ergosoftus@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Posterprint Rip question


> Sorry for the delayed result.  I was busy over the weekend
lowering my skin's L* value.
>
> I don't know if I can agree with such a blanket statement
considering there is no first-
> hand experience with the software in question as originally
requested.
>
> "No chance" would be more like expecting beautiful color from
quad blacks than dead
> nuetral with CcMmYK.  If it can be done with the UC inkset with
its very brown black,
> it can be done with inksets that have other limitations as
well.  How that applies here
> is unknown at this point.
>
> ErgoSoft, ColorByte and Wasatch are all three very different.
Just because a feature is
> present (or not in some cases) doesn't mean it works the same
or provides exactly the
> same results.  These differences in philosophy are the key
difference between
> ImagePrint and StudioPrint that allows the two products to
coexist in the
> photographic marketplace so effectively.  The fundamental
philosophies and
> methodologies are very different.  Where they may appear to be
the same, they are
> not as is the case with ErgoSoft and Wasatch RIPs.  The
features may look exactly the
> same but they are not.
>
> It may very well be too difficult or impossible to achieve the
desired result with this
> inkset but I would suggest going through the evaluation process
objectively as
> opposed to making or accepting a global assumption, however
well intented.  Until
> it's scientifically verified, it's not fact but theory.  At
this point, the "no chance"
> statement is theory until proven otherwise.
>
> To drive a point home before I start a flame throwing war: It
may very well be too
> difficult or impossible to achieve the desired result with this
inkset but I would
> suggest going through the evaluation process objectively.
>
> I'm not so arrogant as to say that StudioPrint is the one
single product for every
> scenario and every user.  That's exactly why we have such a
liberal evaluation policy,
> so you can make an informed decision based upon the facts as
they apply specifically
> to you.  You can decide yourself without having to sift through
opinion, assumption
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> and theory.
>
> Thanks for the podium,
>
> Robert
> -- 
> Robert Eversole
> President
> ErgoSoft U. S. LLC
>
> reversole@...
> T     703.464.0876
> F     703.783.6201
> IM   ergosoft1

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