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Praise For a Super DigitalBW Product: Outstanding Results!! Short Version

Praise For a Super DigitalBW Product: Outstanding Results!! Short Version

2001-10-02 by Steadman Uhlich

Hello Digital Printers and Lurkers!  

The following post is serious but written in a light  good hearted and sincere "tone."  

From time to time this forum gets so negative as to make one wonder about the aims and bias of  the posters.  Lots of negative postings and problems.   I suppose forums can get that way, as most people need somewhere to vent and release their frustrations or prove their expertise. 

But wouldn't you really rather read about a really great product that can give you great results...that is, deliver great looking digital B&W prints?  I know I would.  

Why don't we see more of these posts?  Hmmm?  

Well here is my simple contribution (for those new to the list).  

I think Jon Cone's Piezography BW is great!  (exclamation point on purpose...don't miss it)
  
I really like the PiezoBW software and inks. That is because they are very user friendly and easy to use.  They also produce prints that look outstanding on cheap printers!   They have enabled me to produce the highest quality prints without stepping into a wet darkroom or paying a pro lab or....without waiting days or weeks for prints, and without futzing around with transfer curves etc...  I highly recommend the system to those who want to get started in digital BW printing and expect high quality prints with minimum hassle.   The PiezoBW software is very easy to use even for first-timers or beginners who don't know much about Photoshop or even digital printing issues.  It works for me.   

Of course, some people really want something that "is" difficult to use or requires special knowledge of various arcane software.  Some people will not be satisfied without tweaking or generally "engineering" their own version of software.  I just don't happen to be one of those people.  I prefer to take/make photos and sell them. My motto is "keep it simple."  

Not only is the software easy to use...it also comes with over 27+ paper profiles (created using a very expensive profiling machine and trained technicians that know how to use it...two things I don't have to have) which are easy to use and deliver consistent and great results.   I like that because someone else has done the hard and time consuming work of profiling the papers and ink.  I like to concentrate my time on the other aspects of photography.  To put it another way, a first time digital printmaker (possibly you) doesn't even need to know about "curves" and "transfer functions" and other in-depth Photoshop knowledge in order to make beautiful digital BW prints.  Really!  

Now some people say the Piezo inks are expensive.  I say: "So what!"   I buy expensive things all the time when they give me the satisfaction of having the best and deliver quality results.  When was the last time you bought the cheapest lens you could find for your camera?  When was the last time you bought the cheapest steak?  OK don't answer that last question.  But if you are after quality...high quality...I don't believe you can find a higher quality digital BW ink product that is backed up with such good customer service.

Also, "expensive" is a relative concept.  The cost of the ink I use on a typical print is a minimal cost in relation to the final price I charge for the print!  Negligible really.  So what if you use 50 cents  or even $1 worth of ink on a fine art print that may sell for hundreds of dollars?  Heck, the custom cut mats some photographers buy can cost more than the materials (paper and ink) used to make the print itself!  So what is the issue?  Do folks spend as much time complaining about a $25 matboard?  Heck, that is just stiff paper with a cut out center.  And my inks are not where the cost really lies.  The true cost is in my time.  Think about that.  If you missed that point...I can't help you with it.

You may read a few complaints from some users.  I say "So what!"  I know and correspond with many more happy users who produce outstanding digital prints using this system of software and inks. Sure some folks have problems.  I even have clogs that temporarily keep me from printing from time to time.  So what? Nothing is perfect.  But when I get a beautiful print from my cheap $249 Epson 1160 printer that sits on my desktop....I am thrilled that the technology is available so cheaply....yes cheaply!   So I say if you can't stand to do printer maintenance or spend time occasionally cleaning your printer...you should look for another pro lab to do your  print work.  Heck, if I was printing in a wet darkroom, I would have to spend time cleaning the trays, mixing the chemicals, testing the temp, breathing the fumes, and all that other nice stuff that people love to forget. 

Oh yeah, lest we forget...  Besides great products (software and ink) those folks that work for Jon Cone are pretty great too.  Every (and I do mean every) time I have called Inkjetmall.com and asked for customer service or tech support, I have gotten outstanding service.  Outstanding customer service and tech support is hard to come by and worth more than a pretty penny.  Sometimes it is customer support that can really make a product work despite the variables. And this customer support...how much does it cost me?   So far it has been free...but worth its weight in gold.   

You may read about Green Prints or Green Ink.  I have stated before on this forum and others, the only green I see is the kind that goes in my wallet when I sell my prints.   I have even asked others on the forums to provide me with green prints...and still have not seen a single one.  Do they exist?  Sure they do.  Somewhere.  Anything is possible.  But I have not seen them and I continue to have beautiful prints (deep rich black and white) come from my printers.  In fact, if you were to look at a few smiling faces of my happy customers...you would know what I mean.  They love the prints!

So you read this far?   Read on. 

Look, the above posting is not in jest.  It is real serious.  I love this stuff.  Why?  Because it has liberated me from the crooks I dealt with at two local pro labs.   It has given me control of my printing.  It brings the "artist" back into the equation.  And the quality is better than I have gotten by using other third party labs.   Is that simple and direct enough?  

Now some folks will have other favorites.  That is fine with me.  I just want to let you folks that are having a hard time deciding which way to go (i.e. to start with digital BW printing)  to have an opinion of a happy user of at least one product you can consider.  

And of course there is always someone out there that has a gripe about everything or anything.  Some folks just have bad luck.  Some just have a bad attitude.  Some just have a bad printer.  "You takes your chances" with technology. I took a chance on Piezography and have been well rewarded (in prints and sales) for it.

In any event, good luck with whatever system/inks you buy and happy printing!

Steadman

P.S.  I never say "heck" in real life.  Only on this posting.  Go figure!  (I don't say that either..grin) 


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Re: [Digital BW] Praise For a Super DigitalBW Product: Outstanding Results!! Short Version

2001-10-02 by Tina Manley

At 09:43 PM 10/1/01 -0500, you wrote:

>And of course there is always someone out there that has a gripe about 
>everything or anything.  Some folks just have bad luck.  Some just have a 
>bad attitude.  Some just have a bad printer.  "You takes your chances" 
>with technology. I took a chance on Piezography and have been well 
>rewarded (in prints and sales) for it.
>
>In any event, good luck with whatever system/inks you buy and happy printing!
>
>Steadman


Amen, Steadman!  I have been waiting for an e-mail like this that I could 
agree with.  I'm too busy printing to take the time to write it myself.  I 
love Piezography and have no complaints about the inks, papers, software, 
printers, banding, green inks, fading, support, etc.  I guess I've just 
been very lucky.

Now I'm just waiting (very patiently) for the color Piezography for the 
Epson 3000 (hint, hint Bill and Jon).

Happily printing,

Tina


Tina Manley, ASMP
http://www.tinamanley.com


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Re: Praise For a Super DigitalBW Product: Outstanding Results!! Short Version

2001-10-02 by Martin Wesley

Steadman,

Thank you! A significant percentage of the group members are Piezo 
users and I am happy to see you, Nina, Steve and Phil sharing your 
successes with Piezo. Nothing like some positive promotion! 

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> Hello Digital Printers and Lurkers!  
> 
> The following post is serious but written in a light  good hearted 
and sincere "tone."  
> 
> From time to time this forum gets so negative as to make one wonder 
about the aims and bias of  the posters.  Lots of negative postings 
and problems.   I suppose forums can get that way, as most people 
need somewhere to vent and release their frustrations or prove their 
expertise. 
> 
> But wouldn't you really rather read about a really great product 
that can give you great results...that is, deliver great looking 
digital B&W prints?  I know I would.  
> 
> Why don't we see more of these posts?  Hmmm?  
> 
> Well here is my simple contribution (for those new to the list).  
> 
> I think Jon Cone's Piezography BW is great!  (exclamation point on 
purpose...don't miss it)
>   
> I really like the PiezoBW software and inks. That is because they 
are very user friendly and easy to use.  They also produce prints 
that look outstanding on cheap printers!   They have enabled me to 
produce the highest quality prints without stepping into a wet 
darkroom or paying a pro lab or....without waiting days or weeks for 
prints, and without futzing around with transfer curves etc...  I 
highly recommend the system to those who want to get started in 
digital BW printing and expect high quality prints with minimum 
hassle.   The PiezoBW software is very easy to use even for first-
timers or beginners who don't know much about Photoshop or even 
digital printing issues.  It works for me.   
> 
> Of course, some people really want something that "is" difficult to 
use or requires special knowledge of various arcane software.  Some 
people will not be satisfied without tweaking or 
generally "engineering" their own version of software.  I just don't 
happen to be one of those people.  I prefer to take/make photos and 
sell them. My motto is "keep it simple."  
> 
> Not only is the software easy to use...it also comes with over 27+ 
paper profiles (created using a very expensive profiling machine and 
trained technicians that know how to use it...two things I don't have 
to have) which are easy to use and deliver consistent and great 
results.   I like that because someone else has done the hard and 
time consuming work of profiling the papers and ink.  I like to 
concentrate my time on the other aspects of photography.  To put it 
another way, a first time digital printmaker (possibly you) doesn't 
even need to know about "curves" and "transfer functions" and other 
in-depth Photoshop knowledge in order to make beautiful digital BW 
prints.  Really!  
> 
> Now some people say the Piezo inks are expensive.  I say: "So 
what!"   I buy expensive things all the time when they give me the 
satisfaction of having the best and deliver quality results.  When 
was the last time you bought the cheapest lens you could find for 
your camera?  When was the last time you bought the cheapest steak?  
OK don't answer that last question.  But if you are after 
quality...high quality...I don't believe you can find a higher 
quality digital BW ink product that is backed up with such good 
customer service.
> 
> Also, "expensive" is a relative concept.  The cost of the ink I use 
on a typical print is a minimal cost in relation to the final price I 
charge for the print!  Negligible really.  So what if you use 50 
cents  or even $1 worth of ink on a fine art print that may sell for 
hundreds of dollars?  Heck, the custom cut mats some photographers 
buy can cost more than the materials (paper and ink) used to make the 
print itself!  So what is the issue?  Do folks spend as much time 
complaining about a $25 matboard?  Heck, that is just stiff paper 
with a cut out center.  And my inks are not where the cost really 
lies.  The true cost is in my time.  Think about that.  If you missed 
that point...I can't help you with it.
> 
> You may read a few complaints from some users.  I say "So what!"  I 
know and correspond with many more happy users who produce 
outstanding digital prints using this system of software and inks. 
Sure some folks have problems.  I even have clogs that temporarily 
keep me from printing from time to time.  So what? Nothing is 
perfect.  But when I get a beautiful print from my cheap $249 Epson 
1160 printer that sits on my desktop....I am thrilled that the 
technology is available so cheaply....yes cheaply!   So I say if you 
can't stand to do printer maintenance or spend time occasionally 
cleaning your printer...you should look for another pro lab to do 
your  print work.  Heck, if I was printing in a wet darkroom, I would 
have to spend time cleaning the trays, mixing the chemicals, testing 
the temp, breathing the fumes, and all that other nice stuff that 
people love to forget. 
> 
> Oh yeah, lest we forget...  Besides great products (software and 
ink) those folks that work for Jon Cone are pretty great too.  Every 
(and I do mean every) time I have called Inkjetmall.com and asked for 
customer service or tech support, I have gotten outstanding service.  
Outstanding customer service and tech support is hard to come by and 
worth more than a pretty penny.  Sometimes it is customer support 
that can really make a product work despite the variables. And this 
customer support...how much does it cost me?   So far it has been 
free...but worth its weight in gold.   
> 
> You may read about Green Prints or Green Ink.  I have stated before 
on this forum and others, the only green I see is the kind that goes 
in my wallet when I sell my prints.   I have even asked others on the 
forums to provide me with green prints...and still have not seen a 
single one.  Do they exist?  Sure they do.  Somewhere.  Anything is 
possible.  But I have not seen them and I continue to have beautiful 
prints (deep rich black and white) come from my printers.  In fact, 
if you were to look at a few smiling faces of my happy 
customers...you would know what I mean.  They love the prints!
> 
> So you read this far?   Read on. 
> 
> Look, the above posting is not in jest.  It is real serious.  I 
love this stuff.  Why?  Because it has liberated me from the crooks I 
dealt with at two local pro labs.   It has given me control of my 
printing.  It brings the "artist" back into the equation.  And the 
quality is better than I have gotten by using other third party 
labs.   Is that simple and direct enough?  
> 
> Now some folks will have other favorites.  That is fine with me.  I 
just want to let you folks that are having a hard time deciding which 
way to go (i.e. to start with digital BW printing)  to have an 
opinion of a happy user of at least one product you can consider.  
> 
> And of course there is always someone out there that has a gripe 
about everything or anything.  Some folks just have bad luck.  Some 
just have a bad attitude.  Some just have a bad printer.  "You takes 
your chances" with technology. I took a chance on Piezography and 
have been well rewarded (in prints and sales) for it.
> 
> In any event, good luck with whatever system/inks you buy and happy 
printing!
> 
> Steadman
> 
> P.S.  I never say "heck" in real life.  Only on this posting.  Go 
figure!  (I don't say that either..grin) 
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Re: Praise For a Super DigitalBW Product: Outstanding Results!! Short Version

2001-10-02 by Michael J. Kravit

Steadman,

Thanks for your insight and sincerity.  I must say that you are right 
on with respect to may issues and particularly the price of inks. I 
was one of the complainers about the price of the Piezo inks. Guess 
what? Today I received an order for 20 20x30" Piezo prints from my 
Venice Series for the public areas of an office building. Kindo of 
makes you take a second look and say.....SO WHAT!

Reagrds
Mike

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