Re: [Digital BW] Digest Number 1632
2003-07-16 by serena wadham
Thanks for the reassurance about Durabrite inks (as used by the Epson C82 printer.) Using the original Epson ink in an Epson 870 printer, a BO print turned green in about 3 weeks. The paper was Lyson matte. This is as bad as the Lyson inks which turned reddish, but they seem to be more durable if enclosed in an archival-rated transparent sleeve. I'm afraid pigment inks may be the only answer, at least for me. A friend,who lectured on textile design, confirmed that pigments faded less than dyes on textiles.-----
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There are 24 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: "Daniel Staver" <daniel@...>
2. Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." <ruhrfoto@...>
3. Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report
From: "markroth61" <mark80905@...>
4. Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report
From: "B. Alex Pettit Jr." <a_pettit_jr@...>
5. Re: C 82+ULTRABRITE
From: DigitalLipothymy@...
6. Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: "johnmerrill2003" <jmerrill@...>
7. Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: "Duncan Staples" <gdstaples@...>
8. Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: "Sam A. McCandless" <samcc@...>
9. Really Like the Ultra Tone Ink and Roark Curves
From: "Tom Husband" <thusband@...>
10. test2, please ignore
From: "hlockwood" <hlockwood@...>
11. RE: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: "Daniel Staver" <daniel@...>
12. Re: Epson 7600printer vs 1280
From: "Alan Zimmerman" <azimmerman1@...>
13. Inks for Profiles
From: "mxgo95747" <mxgo95747@...>
14. Re: Inks for Profiles
From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
15. Re: Question about Epson PIM10553
From: DigitalLipothymy@...
16. Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@...>
17. Oriental Paper for MIS Ultratone
From: "joshjamessmith" <joshjamessmith@...>
18. Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report : paper
From: "B. Alex Pettit Jr." <a_pettit_jr@...>
19. Re: Paul's new 1160 UT curves
From: "baduerr" <bradduerr@...>
20. Re: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report : paper
From: "Peter Marquis-Kyle" <petermk@...>
21. RE: Paul's new 1160 UT curves
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
22. RE: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report : paper
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
23. (unknown)
From: "William B. Strong, Jr." <billstrong50@...>
24. Additional Ultra Tone curves for the 1160
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:55:35 +0200
From: "Daniel Staver" <daniel@...>
Subject: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
I recently aquired a Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop with a 1920x1200
widescreen LCD. I've sold my CRT only Spyder and plan to find an LCD
compatible calibration tool for around $300 that I can use instead.
Another Spyder is an option of course, but I see that Gretag Macbeth and
Monacosys both have offerings that are in the same price range.
Do any of you have experience with any of these? I'm interested in both
BW and color performance. The LCD screen shows BW pictures very blue,
and with blown highlights, so it's not very usable for precision work in
its current state.
--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:20:19 -0000
From: " Ruhrfoto/Bernd L." <ruhrfoto@...>
Subject: Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel
Staver" <daniel@p...> wrote:
> I recently aquired a Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop with a 1920x1200
> widescreen LCD. I've sold my CRT only Spyder and plan to find
an LCD
> compatible calibration tool for around $300 that I can use
instead.
> Another Spyder is an option of course, but I see that Gretag
Macbeth and
> Monacosys both have offerings that are in the same price
range.
>
> Do any of you have experience with any of these? I'm interested
in both
> BW and color performance. The LCD screen shows BW
pictures very blue,
> and with blown highlights, so it's not very usable for precision
work in
> its current state.
>
> --
> Daniel Staver
> http://daniel.staver.no
Daniel.
I\ufffdm using the new GretagMacbeth EyeOne (i1) DISPLAY for
monitor calibration. It iworks fine and easy for CRTs and LCDs.
Best of all, it comes with a $ 200 voucher for upgrading, which is
good until Dez 31 03. If you will upgrade you can keep the i1
Monitor hard- and software (or sell it on ebay).
Bernd
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 12:27:33 -0000
From: "markroth61" <mark80905@...>
Subject: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report
Alex, just curious, was the paper you used here the Somerset Velvet
coated, or was it the uncoated? Best, Mark R.
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "B. Alex Pettit
Jr." <a_pettit_jr@y...> wrote:
> Executive Summary : Wow !
>
> I finally received this used Epson 3000
> from a long truck journey from one end of the USA
> to the other... Utah to Florida.
>
> When I did a first nozzle check, all looked fine,
> and the head alignment required no change.
>
> Using the installed Cone Piezo inks and Driver,
> the 8x10 prints on EAM, Epson Prem Luster, and
> a few others looked quite similar to that obtained
> with a Quad MIS set on my E2000P : very small banding,
> but quite worthy of display. I was pleased at the
> performance of an 'old technology' printer with
> fat 12 uL dots.
>
> Last night, I moved the paper guide margins to the extreme,
> loaded in a 17x22 sheet of Somerset Velvet, and started the
> process. One hour, 15 minutes a print was created -
> but What a print: it is absolutely Flawless. Even when
> using a loupe, there is no banding at all. And of course,
> the Cone drivers do an outstanding job of making the dots
> invisible also.
>
> I am truly amazed. I don't know if this is just a lucky
> print or what, but I can surely say that when an Epson 3000
> works, it works very, very well.
>
> I will print as much as I can with what is remaining of these
> Cone Piezo inks to establish a basis of comparison for when
> I swap to the MIS/MS set.
>
> Happy new wide format owner,
> Alex
> Orlando Florida
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:04:01 -0000
From: "B. Alex Pettit Jr." <a_pettit_jr@...>
Subject: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report
That was the uncoated.
Alex
" <mark80905@h...> wrote:
> Alex, just curious, was the paper you used here the Somerset Velvet
> coated, or was it the uncoated? Best, Mark R.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:06:12 EDT
From: DigitalLipothymy@...
Subject: Re: C 82+ULTRABRITE
In a message dated 7/13/2003 6:00:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
xamol@... writes:
> HALLO! Does anyone have experience of using the C82 printer? The ink
> is advertised as being stable for 70 years; it seems that it is all-
> pigment and can print on non-coated papers. Apart from the fact that
> it is limited to A4 size, it sounds ideal. What are your thoughts,
> please.
>
i haven't used the C82 printer, but i have used the C80, and the Durabrite
inks are indeed durable, although i have yet to get a great black and white
print from the above mentioned machine
k-a-y
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:32:40 -0000
From: "johnmerrill2003" <jmerrill@...>
Subject: Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
Is there any point in calibrating a laptop lcd? Adjust the viewing angle and
everything
about the display changes...at least on mine.
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 17:42:39 -0000
From: "Duncan Staples" <gdstaples@...>
Subject: Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
Daniel:
I just purchased the Optical/Spider combo and it works well with both
CRT and LCD - I paid $298 delivered. I haven't seen a laptop yet
that I would do (acceptable) color management with including the G4,
so you might want to find someone in your area with a spider/software
to try prior to purchasing.
Duncan
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Staver"
<daniel@p...> wrote:
> I recently aquired a Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop with a 1920x1200
> widescreen LCD. I've sold my CRT only Spyder and plan to find an LCD
> compatible calibration tool for around $300 that I can use instead.
> Another Spyder is an option of course, but I see that Gretag
Macbeth and
> Monacosys both have offerings that are in the same price range.
>
> Do any of you have experience with any of these? I'm interested in
both
> BW and color performance. The LCD screen shows BW pictures very
blue,
> and with blown highlights, so it's not very usable for precision
work in
> its current state.
>
> --
> Daniel Staver
> http://daniel.staver.no
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:05:41 -0700
From: "Sam A. McCandless" <samcc@...>
Subject: Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
The Inspiron Daniel has is on my short list of laptops which I think
could both displace my aging desktop and travel with the digital SLR
I also don't have yet.
But I was thinking - I can't tell whether Daniel is - of having a
larger "image display" at home. There a laptop's screen could, if
it's big enough, become a (Photoshop) "palette display". But when the
image display is in use, presumably with one of the profiles made for
it, I think I know that any palette display would have to use the
same, image-display profile? In its role as a traveling companion for
a digital camera, the laptop would instead, I assume, use a profile
made for the laptop. And, again if it's big enough, do Photoshop work
as well as store images downloaded from the digital camera's memory
card/disk.
If the operating systems do restrict us, as I think I've been told,
to one profile at a time, then I'm wondering how this might affect
our display choices and our colorimeter+software choices. For
example, is the video on the Apple PowerBooks enough like that on the
Apple Cinema displays for a combination of the two to have a
strategic advantage over a mix-and-match system? Or: does a need for
a LCD-capable colorimeter for the laptop make the Sony Artisan, which
comes with its own CRT colorimeter, less of a bargain as an image
display due to LCD-capable colorimeters being (I think) also
CRT-capable?
Life might be simpler with a laptop large enough and robust enough to
do everything on. And I'm curious to know whether Daniel and others
think the new wide-screen 15-inch or 17-inch laptops are big enough
and otherwise appropriate for that. For large images, I suppose not,
but I can't print large anyway, for lack of room for mounting and
matting and framing prints larger than about 8x12 or 11x14.
--
Sam
>I recently aquired a Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop with a 1920x1200
>widescreen LCD. I've sold my CRT only Spyder and plan to find an LCD
>compatible calibration tool for around $300 that I can use instead.
>Another Spyder is an option of course, but I see that Gretag Macbeth and
>Monacosys both have offerings that are in the same price range.
>
>Do any of you have experience with any of these? I'm interested in both
>BW and color performance. The LCD screen shows BW pictures very blue,
>and with blown highlights, so it's not very usable for precision work in
>its current state.
>
>--
>Daniel Staver
>http://daniel.staver.no
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:48:33 -0000
From: "Tom Husband" <thusband@...>
Subject: Really Like the Ultra Tone Ink and Roark Curves
I loaded up my 1280 cartridges yesterday (very easy to do by the
way, thanks for the tips Paul) and tried them out this morning. I'm
very pleased. Smooth transitions and lots of shadow detail. Much
better than the VM ink. I may have found the ink to commit a CIS
to. The C+3 and neutral are my favorites. How do the curves work
with photo rag?
Wonderful job, Paul.
Now I just need to improve color to B&W technique. Ha, "just"?
Tom
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 19:09:08 -0000
From: "hlockwood" <hlockwood@...>
Subject: test2, please ignore
HFL
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:06:11 +0200
From: "Daniel Staver" <daniel@...>
Subject: RE: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
I think the 15" widescreen on the Inspiron is big enough to satisfy many
users, especially when you consider the high resolution of 1920x1200
which it uses. Text and graphics are incredibly sharp, clearly superior
to CRT screens, and with calibration I believe it could be very nice for
color work as well.
I normally use a 24" Sony which I like very much, so I'm not willing to
replace that one just, but I also find the LCD good enough for me to
work comfortably for extended periods of time without missing my bigger
CRT. I just worked out of the office for three days doing some design
jobs in Photoshop and Illustrator and I didn't feel the laptop was
inferior in any way, I just forgot it was there and did my work.
Colors on the LCD are more unstable. As it was mentioned here earlier
the colors change slightly depending on the viewing angle. The Inspiron
is very good in this regard however, even at close to 90 degree angles
you can still see everything on the screen without badly distorted
colors. I believe there is definitely a point to calibrating it. I don't
expect the calibrator to work magic on the screen, but I hope the colors
will get much closer to what they should be than what I get now.
--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 15:12:57 -0500
From: "Alan Zimmerman" <azimmerman1@...>
Subject: Re: Epson 7600printer vs 1280
Is any one using or had experience with the Epson 7600 printer? I currently
use the 1280 and am considering adding the larger format. I'm interested in
print quality, reliability, and what size files have produced the best
results on this wide format.
Thanks,
Alan Zimmerman
----- Original Message -----
From: hlockwood
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] test2, please ignore
HFL
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:37:18 -0000
From: "mxgo95747" <mxgo95747@...>
Subject: Inks for Profiles
Since I am only interested in printing B&W, when I order profiles for
Epson
Enhanced Matte and PQIJ papers, should I order the profiles using only the
inks that I use? I print with B.O. and MIS-QVM (Roark Curves) inks. The
reason, I am asking is, that profile services seem to use targets using both
color and black and grey charts.
Thanks, I am still trying to learn B&W printing.
Martin
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:07:56 -0000
From: "Mark Hahn" <markhahn2000@...>
Subject: Re: Inks for Profiles
The Roark curves *are* your profile. You have to tweak them to match
monitor to printer. I'm not sure how Paul calibrated his monitor
prior to creating the curves, but that is what you have to match and
then just hope the curves work out (they do for me).
mark
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mxgo95747"
<mxgo95747@y...> wrote:
> Since I am only interested in printing B&W, when I order profiles
for Epson
> Enhanced Matte and PQIJ papers, should I order the profiles using
only the
> inks that I use? I print with B.O. and MIS-QVM (Roark Curves)
inks. The
> reason, I am asking is, that profile services seem to use targets
using both
> color and black and grey charts.
>
> Thanks, I am still trying to learn B&W printing.
>
> Martin
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:19:56 EDT
From: DigitalLipothymy@...
Subject: Re: Question about Epson PIM10553
hi
i have an Epson 1280, and saw on the downloads section of the Epson website,
a download for something called Epson PIM10553, and i wondered what this was
for, and would i benefit from installing it?
thank you!
k-a-y
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:50:02 -0000
From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@...>
Subject: Re: OT: What's the best CTR/LCD calibration tool for around $300?
Daniel; I recently borrowed and tested the Monaco Optix unit, bring
a long-time Monaco user. I don't have an LCD to try it on, but it
worked well on my CRT, better than the original Monaco unit. The 2.5
version of EZColor is also working better than earlier versions, and
is worth upgrading to if you haven't done so already.
Steve Karafyllakis
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Staver"
<daniel@p...> wrote:
> I think the 15" widescreen on the Inspiron is big enough to
satisfy many
> users, especially when you consider the high resolution of
1920x1200
> which it uses. Text and graphics are incredibly sharp, clearly
superior
> to CRT screens, and with calibration I believe it could be very
nice for
> color work as well.
>
> I normally use a 24" Sony which I like very much, so I'm not
willing to
> replace that one just, but I also find the LCD good enough for me
to
> work comfortably for extended periods of time without missing my
bigger
> CRT. I just worked out of the office for three days doing some
design
> jobs in Photoshop and Illustrator and I didn't feel the laptop was
> inferior in any way, I just forgot it was there and did my work.
>
> Colors on the LCD are more unstable. As it was mentioned here
earlier
> the colors change slightly depending on the viewing angle. The
Inspiron
> is very good in this regard however, even at close to 90 degree
angles
> you can still see everything on the screen without badly distorted
> colors. I believe there is definitely a point to calibrating it. I
don't
> expect the calibrator to work magic on the screen, but I hope the
colors
> will get much closer to what they should be than what I get now.
>
> --
> Daniel Staver
> http://daniel.staver.no
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:02:31 -0000
From: "joshjamessmith" <joshjamessmith@...>
Subject: Oriental Paper for MIS Ultratone
Hi,
I have been using MIS ultratone inks with Ilford Smooth to get
a RC feel. Whilst good the prints still do exhibit bronzing.
I have also tried epson professional glossy with similar results.
I am using a dye based Epson 1290 with the Mac driver and
Paul Rouke's curves for the 1290 EAM
I believe there was mention of an oriental paper which may
have very little to no bronzing with the MIS pigmented inks ?
Can any one tell me what it is ?
Do you use it with inkjet control software too ?
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:29:35 -0000
From: "B. Alex Pettit Jr." <a_pettit_jr@...>
Subject: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report : paper
FYI,
I installed the MIS FS/Gen4K inkset and
found it works flawless.
During performing a few test prints, however,
I accidentally loaded two sheets of Archival Matte:
slight banding was visible. I loaded one sheet :
Perfect.
Thus I must conclude that some of the unsatisfactory
print banding I've noted is as much a result of a
paper's thickness as it is of its surface.
Best,
Alex
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:38:30 -0000
From: "baduerr" <bradduerr@...>
Subject: Re: Paul's new 1160 UT curves
Where are these new curves?
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I've attached the curves I have. There should be a distinct difference
> among them. I've also attached a text file that may have some useful
> information.
>
> Be sure you are converting to RGB before printing.
>
> Just in case the ink toner is wrong, print a purge pattern and be sure the
> yellow position ink is bluish.
>
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Cooke [mailto:rcooke@r...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:06 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Paul's new 1160 UT curves
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> For the people that are using the new UT curves for the 1160 - is
> there a neutral curve available? All three seem to give me fairly
> warm prints. They are very good but I was wondering about the neutral
> possiblity.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Richard Cooke
>
>
>
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>
> New 1160 Variable-tone, cross-platform Ultra Tone curves:
>
>
> I have made some new curves for the 1160 to control the MIS Ultra Tone B&W
inkset.
> There are two sets. One (for example UT11 ...) set is for Epson
Enhanced/Archival
matte.
> The second set (UT-EUS ...) is for the soon-to-be-released Epson
UltraSmooth
cotton
> based, no-optical-brightener (truly archival) matte paper.
>
> (Note that I use EEM routinely for drafts, sample prints, display
> prints that are not going to be sold as archival, and many other purposes.
> I think it is an excellent value and paper for up to 30 year
> life-expectancy work. I use cotton-based paper for limited-edition,
> numbered, signed prints or wherever print life of more than 30 years is
wanted.
> I think the new Epson UltraSmooth is the best, in part because it does not
> have the flaking problems of the other cotton papers.
> I think the cotton paper with carbon pigments (no dyes) is archival;
> I do not consider EEM/EAM to be archival.)
>
> The new curves produce 4 very useful tones. The "UT11-N1" is neutral,
similar to a
> "selenium" tone; "UT11-MW-3" is 0.03 units warm, similar to PiezoTone WN &
FS;
> UT11-C+3 is 0.03 units cool, about like the old "nc" curve with the vm
inkset;
> and UT11-W1 is 0.10 units warm, about twice as warm as the old vm inkset
or
> the original MIS quads.
>
> The curves are much smoother than the old vm curves. I have been told
some
> don't even see the dots even with a loupe.
>
> The UT11 curves are cross-platform, running on PC and Mac.
>
> Resin coated papers can be printed with the UT inkset about as well as
> the UltraChrome inkset. As with the UltraChrome inkset, a "Photo Black"
> must be used. MIS has a fine one. Most of the RC papers have some
reflective
> artifacts (like bronzing or slight dusting), but this is typical of all
pigments on
> RC papers. Cheap Epson Glossy Photo Paper (available at Costco) is
> the most free of these defects.) I think matte paper is still the most
> reliable and what I'll mostly use.
>
> For the UT curves, I use "No Color Adjustment" (in the driver color
> management box) and Adobe RGB (1998) (Edit, Color Settings).
>
> I hope these prove useful.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:49:48 +1000
From: "Peter Marquis-Kyle" <petermk@...>
Subject: Re: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report : paper
B. Alex Pettit Jr. wrote:
> I installed the MIS FS/Gen4K inkset and
> found it works flawless.
You must be pleased! (wish I had a 3000....)
> During performing a few test prints, however,
> I accidentally loaded two sheets of Archival Matte:
> slight banding was visible. I loaded one sheet :
> Perfect.
>
> Thus I must conclude that some of the unsatisfactory
> print banding I've noted is as much a result of a
> paper's thickness as it is of its surface.
Or perhaps the banding is not directly a result of paper
thickness, but of print head alignment (which IS sensitive
to paper thickness). For this reason, it is best to adjust
alignment whenever you start printing on a paper with
a different thickness.
Peter Marquis-Kyle
www.marquis-kyle.com.au
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:44:38 -0700
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: Paul's new 1160 UT curves
>Where are these new curves?
I thought the Files section and MIS had them.
I'll send the full non-sepia set to the appropriate people. I have curves
for both EAM/EEM and the new (was to be released this month) Epson
UltraSmooth Fine Art (EUS?).
This new cotton, non-optical-brightened paper appears to be the first cotton
paper that does not have a problem with flaking. I also find the lack of
optical brighteners a plus. The paper tone looks great next to matte board
(I use Light Impressions Exeter Gallery White), which allows a plain paper
boarder to show for signing. (A brightened EAM board next to the creamy
white over mat looks bad, in my opinion.)
The sepia toner & curves just pull the already warm gray inks to full sepia.
I'd only recommend them if you want to dedicate a machine to sepia. The
UT-Sepia inkset, unlike the vm-s inkset, will not print a neutral tone. The
toner is designed to allow the Bowhaus system to pull the gray inks either
direction. Now if Bowhaus will just get me a PC version ....
I really only use sepia for competitions with color prints, where it really
helps offset the lack of color in the B&W print. Since the toner has yellow
and magenta pigments in it, there is metamerism (although it is hidden by
the sepia tone) and the ink will not be as fade resistant as the UT warm
curve (almost pure carbon). So, for old photo reproductions where I want
the most archival materials, I stick with the straight UT warm on cotton
paper.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:44:38 -0700
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: Re: New (used) Epson 3000 Report : paper
Alex,
>...I accidentally loaded two sheets of Archival Matte:
>slight banding was visible. I loaded one sheet :
>Perfect.
>Thus I must conclude that some of the unsatisfactory
>print banding I've noted is as much a result of a
>paper's thickness as it is of its surface.
Before I bought a 7500, I used a 3000 to print 16x20" prints. I'd slice off
17" of a 24" roll of EAM/EEM. To get the paper to feed (especially with
it's curl) I'd put the paper between 2 dampened Kodak blotter papers
(sprayed with distilled water). This softened the EAM and allowed very easy
front-tray feeding. I think the softening of the EAM made it act more like
a very thin piece of paper and wrap around the roller without any problems.
At any rate, EAM & the 3000 was/is a very economical way to get some great
16 x 20 prints.
Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:20:25 -0500
From: "William B. Strong, Jr." <billstrong50@...>
Subject: (unknown)
Paul,
I guess I missed something here although I have read every post on
this group for the past year.
I am using the UT inkset on an 1160 with your three curves which I
downloaded from MIS about two weeks ago. These are ut11-w1, ut11-wn1,
and ut11-n1. This setup is producing excellent prints with much
better tonal transitions than the VM setup.
How do the above curves relate to the curves listed in your recent
post below? Are they for the same BW UT inkset?
"The new curves produce 4 very useful tones. The "UT11-N1" is
neutral, similar to a
"selenium" tone; "UT11-MW-3" is 0.03 units warm, similar to PiezoTone WN &
FS;
UT11-C+3 is 0.03 units cool, about like the old "nc" curve with the vm
inkset;
and UT11-W1 is 0.10 units warm, about twice as warm as the old vm inkset or
the original MIS quads. "
Bill
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:47:36 -0700
From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
Subject: Additional Ultra Tone curves for the 1160
I have updated the 1160 Ultra Tone ZIP file in folder:
Files > Ink Sets > MIS > MIS Ultra Tone Inks
to include additional curves Paul sent me that include curves for the new
Epson UltraSmooth paper as well as EEM. The ZIP file also includes
instructions in a text file.
Thanks Paul!
Martin
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