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FYI a New Rip has just been released

FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-25 by silverdigital2003

I OFFER THE BELOW AS A FYI.  I just learned about their new software 
in a color management user group at the Washington School of 
Photography.  Color Burst was not a name I was familiar with.
I have used the Cone software, Image Print, and the open 
printer/profiler from Bowhaus.  All have given me some degree 
satisfaction.

I have been printing Quadtones and Hextones for over 3 1/2 years.   I 
have tried Cone and Mis inks.  At the present I am using MIS 
Ultratones in my Epson 7000 using the open printer and profiler from 
Bowhaus.  I have been struggling on what I would do with the Epson 
2200 empty cartridge became avaiable.  

Just recently I met the development team of Color Burst Software.  I 
took my prints and files over to their office to see what their Epson 
7600 RIP could do.  After printing several of my files using their 
colorBurst RIP, we compared my prints to the ones we just made.  On 
close examination the two prints were very close.  A densitometer 
reading of the blackest black showed that although the MIS ink was 
blacker.  The Epson Ultratone printed with the colorburst software 
produced a black that was perceptually the same.  the difference 
between the MIS black and Ultratone black was so small that the human 
eye could not detect the difference. All this was very exciting, but I 
was not ready to dump my 7000 yet.  Just a few weeks later they 
announced the same RIP for the Epson 2200.  This caught my attention.

I also do color panoramics.  Keeping 2 machines one dedicated to color 
and the other to black and white has been alittle bit of a pain, but 
now I feel I have some options.

The new RIP for the Epson 2200 is built on the same platform as there 
other RIP for the 7600.

Some of the features include:

HIghlights dead neutral in black and white.

A very good dither that is equal to or better then the Epson dither.

Can produce a higher Dmax then the epson driver.

They have a way to limit ink so that the best density of ink is put on 
the paper .  More ink dose not mean deeper blacks.  At some point the 
black will go no blacker and you are just wasting ink, and loading the 
paper with solvent.

A few steps to set up and configure.

Alot of profiles. 

If you have a paper  they have not profiled.  Send them four sheet and 
they will profile free and post on their site.

Tons of controls for the expert user

I noticed better shadow detail.

All this for $395 for the epson 2200 RIP.   $795 for the 7600 RIP 
which also includes the Epson 2200 RIP .

Their RIP is  interesting because it is a cmyk driven RIP rather then 
an RGB driven RIP.  

It will RIP on the fly and archive the file for later use.

If you are looking to print both black and white, and also color 
without having to run two systems this new software RIP from 
ColorBurst may be your solution.

A demo copy can be downloaded at 
http://www.compatsys.com/mac_osx/index.html

If you have any questions about the Rip  give ColorBurst a call at 
 (703)404-1795 

xxxxxxx

Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-25 by David M. dorn

Very interesting, but the QuadTone RIP price is hard to beat...:-)

Also from Color Burst  website it look like the CMYK version is $400 
MORE than the
RGB version!!

David

On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 11:51  AM, silverdigital2003 wrote:

> I OFFER THE BELOW AS A FYI. ...                                        
>                                                 Just recently I met 
> the development team of Color Burst Software.  I
> took my prints and files over to their office to see what their Epson
> 7600 RIP could do.  After printing several of my files using their
> colorBurst RIP, we compared my prints to the ones we just made.  On
> close examination the two prints were very close.  A densitometer
> reading of the blackest black showed that although the MIS ink was
> blacker.  The Epson Ultratone printed with the colorburst software
> produced a black that was perceptually the same.  the difference
> between the MIS black and Ultratone black was so small that the human
> eye could not detect the difference. All this was very exciting, but I
> was not ready to dump my 7000 yet.  Just a few weeks later they
> announced the same RIP for the Epson 2200.  This caught my attention.
> ...The new RIP for the Epson 2200 is built on the same platform as 
> there
> other RIP for the 7600....
> All this for $395 for the epson 2200 RIP.   $795 for the 7600 RIP
> which also includes the Epson 2200 RIP .
>
> Their RIP is  interesting because it is a cmyk driven RIP rather then
> an RGB driven RIP. 
>
> It will RIP on the fly and archive the file for later use.
>
> If you are looking to print both black and white, and also color
> without having to run two systems this new software RIP from
> ColorBurst may be your solution.
>
> A demo copy can be downloaded at
> http://www.compatsys.com/mac_osx/index.html
>
> If you have any questions about the Rip  give ColorBurst a call at
>  (703)404-1795 


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Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-25 by Jim Goshorn

On Monday, Aug 25, 2003, at 12:06 America/New_York, David M. dorn wrote:

> Also from Color Burst  website it look like the CMYK version is $400
> MORE than the
> RGB version!!

I have been using ColorBurst and am very happy with it. There are 2 
versions: xPhoto (RGB files only) and xProof (RGB and CMYK files). Both 
are CMYK in the sense that they work from CMYK generated profiles. 
However only xProof allows you to send a file to the printer that is in 
a CMYK color space. If you don't print files using CMYK spaces then 
xPhoto is what you are looking for which only accepts RGB spaces.

If you have any questions I will try to answer them.

Jim

RE: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-25 by Tim Atherton

shame their trial download doesn't include support for the 2200 so you can
actually try it out.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Goshorn [mailto:jgoshorn@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:25 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released
>
>
>
> On Monday, Aug 25, 2003, at 12:06 America/New_York, David M. dorn wrote:
>
> > Also from Color Burst  website it look like the CMYK version is $400
> > MORE than the
> > RGB version!!
>
> I have been using ColorBurst and am very happy with it. There are 2
> versions: xPhoto (RGB files only) and xProof (RGB and CMYK files). Both
> are CMYK in the sense that they work from CMYK generated profiles.
> However only xProof allows you to send a file to the printer that is in
> a CMYK color space. If you don't print files using CMYK spaces then
> xPhoto is what you are looking for which only accepts RGB spaces.
>
> If you have any questions I will try to answer them.
>
> Jim
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-25 by Luke Granfield

Here's the deal on getting the demo "activated." From an email sent to me
from Colorburst. I haven't tried it yet.

>>>ColorBurst X-Photo for the Epson 2200 is finally ready and is now posted
to
our website.  The demo will run live for 15 days with an activation code and
will not print demo marks.  The product is not limited in any way.

Anyone desiring an activation code can contact me after install.  I will
need your user code (an 8 character code that will appear in a window after
install).

Feel free to call our e-mail.

Thanks,


Joshua Lubbers
ColorBurst RIP's
josh@...<<<<<



----- Original Message ----- 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>


> shame their trial download doesn't include support for the 2200 so you can
> actually try it out.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Goshorn [mailto:jgoshorn@...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:25 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released
> >
> >
> >

Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-26 by Tom Baker

Sounded good.  So, I went to their site and dowloaded the demo.  Only to find that there is nothing there yet to support the Epson 9600.  Something about using the 7600 setup.  Probably would be a good simulation.  Anyway, it looks like the demo is not yet full-blown.  Sounds like a good feature set for the price.  Especially when the price is not too much more than my annual maint agreement for Imageprint.
 
TB


silverdigital2003 <silverdigital@...> wrote:
I OFFER THE BELOW AS A FYI.  I just learned about their new software 
in a color management user group at the Washington School of 
Photography.  Color Burst was not a name I was familiar with.
I have used the Cone software, Image Print, and the open 
printer/profiler from Bowhaus.  All have given me some degree 
satisfaction.

I have been printing Quadtones and Hextones for over 3 1/2 years.   I 
have tried Cone and Mis inks.  At the present I am using MIS 
Ultratones in my Epson 7000 using the open printer and profiler from 
Bowhaus.  I have been struggling on what I would do with the Epson 
2200 empty cartridge became avaiable.  

Just recently I met the development team of Color Burst Software.  I 
took my prints and files over to their office to see what their Epson 
7600 RIP could do.  After printing several of my files using their 
colorBurst RIP, we compared my prints to the ones we just made.  On 
close examination the two prints were very close.  A densitometer 
reading of the blackest black showed that although the MIS ink was 
blacker.  The Epson Ultratone printed with the colorburst software 
produced a black that was perceptually the same.  the difference 
between the MIS black and Ultratone black was so small that the human 
eye could not detect the difference. All this was very exciting, but I 
was not ready to dump my 7000 yet.  Just a few weeks later they 
announced the same RIP for the Epson 2200.  This caught my attention.

I also do color panoramics.  Keeping 2 machines one dedicated to color 
and the other to black and white has been alittle bit of a pain, but 
now I feel I have some options.

The new RIP for the Epson 2200 is built on the same platform as there 
other RIP for the 7600.

Some of the features include:

HIghlights dead neutral in black and white.

A very good dither that is equal to or better then the Epson dither.

Can produce a higher Dmax then the epson driver.

They have a way to limit ink so that the best density of ink is put on 
the paper .  More ink dose not mean deeper blacks.  At some point the 
black will go no blacker and you are just wasting ink, and loading the 
paper with solvent.

A few steps to set up and configure.

Alot of profiles. 

If you have a paper  they have not profiled.  Send them four sheet and 
they will profile free and post on their site.

Tons of controls for the expert user

I noticed better shadow detail.

All this for $395 for the epson 2200 RIP.   $795 for the 7600 RIP 
which also includes the Epson 2200 RIP .

Their RIP is  interesting because it is a cmyk driven RIP rather then 
an RGB driven RIP.  

It will RIP on the fly and archive the file for later use.

If you are looking to print both black and white, and also color 
without having to run two systems this new software RIP from 
ColorBurst may be your solution.

A demo copy can be downloaded at 
http://www.compatsys.com/mac_osx/index.html

If you have any questions about the Rip  give ColorBurst a call at 
 (703)404-1795 

xxxxxxx


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Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-08-26 by Tom Baker

Is this ready for the Epson 9600 on Win XP?


Luke Granfield <luke@...> wrote:
Here's the deal on getting the demo "activated." From an email sent to me
from Colorburst. I haven't tried it yet.

>>>ColorBurst X-Photo for the Epson 2200 is finally ready and is now posted
to
our website.  The demo will run live for 15 days with an activation code and
will not print demo marks.  The product is not limited in any way.

Anyone desiring an activation code can contact me after install.  I will
need your user code (an 8 character code that will appear in a window after
install).

Feel free to call our e-mail.

Thanks,


Joshua Lubbers
ColorBurst RIP's
josh@...<<<<<
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>


> shame their trial download doesn't include support for the 2200 so you can
> actually try it out.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Goshorn [mailto:jgoshorn@...]
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:25 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released
> >
> >
> >


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RE: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released

2003-09-04 by Tim Atherton

anyone else having problems getting onto their website?

tim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luke Granfield [mailto:luke@...]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 12:35 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released
>
>
> Here's the deal on getting the demo "activated." From an email sent to me
> from Colorburst. I haven't tried it yet.
>
> >>>ColorBurst X-Photo for the Epson 2200 is finally ready and is
> now posted
> to
> our website.  The demo will run live for 15 days with an
> activation code and
> will not print demo marks.  The product is not limited in any way.
>
> Anyone desiring an activation code can contact me after install.  I will
> need your user code (an 8 character code that will appear in a
> window after
> install).
>
> Feel free to call our e-mail.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Joshua Lubbers
> ColorBurst RIP's
> josh@...<<<<<
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Atherton" <timatherton@...>
>
>
> > shame their trial download doesn't include support for the 2200
> so you can
> > actually try it out.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Goshorn [mailto:jgoshorn@...]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:25 AM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] FYI a New Rip has just been released
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
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