Digital BW, The Print

Hi All,
I would like some suggestions on getting started. I have the tools 
but do not know where to go from here.  In reading "Files" there 
seems to be a great deal of information for those who can use 
Photoshop but most of the information is Greek to me. If someone can 
recommed a good start-up CD or another method of learning the ropes, 
I would appreciate it.  
Thanks and everyone have a Great Week!!!
Monty

Monty,

>I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...

It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering digital
Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital printing.

I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just diving in
might be the best way.

How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone choices
might be the next step.

If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most supported and
widely available one at this point.

I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones out there,
Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W ("quad")
inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for those two
suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start comparing the
costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.

The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.  However,
additional software is needed to do really good work, and there will always
be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset with no
light gray ink in it.

For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance (aka "Archival") matte,
available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.

I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a continuous
inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.

Good luck on your journey.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Paul, thanks for the 'starting point' info.  I can benifit from what 
you wrote too.  Questiion:  what additional software are you 
referring to that makes the 2200 print better?

outlaw07480@...




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Monty,
> 
> >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> 
> It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering 
digital
> Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital 
printing.
> 
> I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just 
diving in
> might be the best way.
> 
> How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone 
choices
> might be the next step.
> 
> If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most 
supported and
> widely available one at this point.
> 
> I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones 
out there,
> Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W 
("quad")
> inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for 
those two
> suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start 
comparing the
> costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.
> 
> The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.  
However,
> additional software is needed to do really good work, and there 
will always
> be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset 
with no
> light gray ink in it.
> 
> For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance 
(aka "Archival") matte,
> available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> 
> I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a 
continuous

> inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> 
> Good luck on your journey.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com

> Questiion:  what additional software are you
>referring to that makes the 2200 print better?

There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that do a better
job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the Epson driver.
A number of people on this forum are using these, and they would be the ones
to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not used any of
them.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

_______________________________



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Monty,
>
> >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
>
> It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
digital
> Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital
printing.
>
> I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
diving in
> might be the best way.
>
> How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone
choices
> might be the next step.
>
> If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
supported and
> widely available one at this point.
>
> I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones
out there,
> Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W
("quad")
> inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for
those two
> suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
comparing the
> costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.
>
> The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
However,
> additional software is needed to do really good work, and there
will always
> be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset
with no
> light gray ink in it.
>
> For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
(aka "Archival") matte,
> available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
>
> I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a
continuous
> inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
>
> Good luck on your journey.
>
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com



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ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much better 
than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  Price is 
$299 - worth every penny if you ask me.

Duncan

\--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> 
> There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that do 
a better
> job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the Epson 
driver.
> A number of people on this forum are using these, and they would be 
the ones
> to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not used 
any of
> them.
> 
> Paul
> http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> _______________________________
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > Monty,
> >
> > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> >
> > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
> digital
> > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital
> printing.
> >
> > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
> diving in
> > might be the best way.
> >
> > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone
> choices
> > might be the next step.
> >
> > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> supported and
> > widely available one at this point.
> >
> > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones
> out there,
> > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W
> ("quad")
> > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for
> those two
> > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> comparing the
> > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.
> >
> > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
> However,
> > additional software is needed to do really good work, and there
> will always
> > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset
> with no
> > light gray ink in it.
> >
> > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> (aka "Archival") matte,
> > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> >
> > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a
> continuous
> > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> >
> > Good luck on your journey.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
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Since I converted to a MAC I have not found the need for a color RIP for my Epson 
2200, the output is vey accurate using the standard Epson driver using EEM. 
Furthermore, I am using the standard profiles, I have found no need to generate a 
cusom profile. For B/W I am using the FREE Quadtone RIP, this is giving me 
wonderful B/W prints using the standard UC inks and a quoted print life of over 100 
years . So why pay  extra? 

Barry


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Staples" 
<gdstaples@y...> wrote:

> ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much better 
> than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  Price is 
> $299 - worth every penny if you ask me.
> 
> Duncan
> 
> \--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> > >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> > 
> > There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that do 
> a better
> > job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the Epson 
> driver.
> > A number of people on this forum are using these, and they would be 
> the ones
> > to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not used 
> any of
> > them.
> > 
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > _______________________________
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Monty,
> > >
> > > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> > >
> > > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
> > digital
> > > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital
> > printing.
> > >
> > > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
> > diving in
> > > might be the best way.
> > >
> > > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone
> > choices
> > > might be the next step.
> > >
> > > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> > supported and
> > > widely available one at this point.
> > >
> > > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones
> > out there,
> > > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W
> > ("quad")
> > > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for
> > those two
> > > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> > comparing the
> > > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.
> > >
> > > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
> > However,
> > > additional software is needed to do really good work, and there
> > will always
> > > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset
> > with no
> > > light gray ink in it.
> > >
> > > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> > (aka "Archival") matte,
> > > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> > >
> > > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a
> > continuous
> > > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> > >
> > > Good luck on your journey.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Where have you  found it for $299?  Their web site says its $495.

Doug

Duncan Staples wrote:

> ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much better
> than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  Price is
> $299 - worth every penny if you ask me.
>
> Duncan
>
> \--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> > >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> >
> > There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that do
> a better
> > job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the Epson
> driver.
> > A number of people on this forum are using these, and they would be
> the ones
> > to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not used
> any of
> > them.
> >
> > Paul
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > _______________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > Monty,
> > >
> > > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> > >
> > > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
> > digital
> > > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital
> > printing.
> > >
> > > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
> > diving in
> > > might be the best way.
> > >
> > > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone
> > choices
> > > might be the next step.
> > >
> > > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> > supported and
> > > widely available one at this point.
> > >
> > > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones
> > out there,
> > > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W
> > ("quad")
> > > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for
> > those two
> > > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> > comparing the
> > > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.
> > >
> > > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
> > However,
> > > additional software is needed to do really good work, and there
> > will always
> > > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset
> > with no
> > > light gray ink in it.
> > >
> > > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> > (aka "Archival") matte,
> > > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> > >
> > > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a
> > continuous
> > > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> > >
> > > Good luck on your journey.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> Polls and
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Which FREE Quad Rip?

Doug

flyfishingusa2002 wrote:

> Since I converted to a MAC I have not found the need for a color RIP 
> for my Epson
> 2200, the output is vey accurate using the standard Epson driver using 
> EEM.
> Furthermore, I am using the standard profiles, I have found no need to 
> generate a
> cusom profile. For B/W I am using the FREE Quadtone RIP, this is 
> giving me
> wonderful B/W prints using the standard UC inks and a quoted print 
> life of over 100
> years . So why pay  extra?
>
> Barry
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Staples"
> <gdstaples@y...> wrote:
> > ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much better
> > than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  Price is
> > $299 - worth every penny if you ask me.
> >
> > Duncan
> >
> > \--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> > > >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> > >
> > > There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that do
> > a better
> > > job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the Epson
> > driver.
> > > A number of people on this forum are using these, and they would be
> > the ones
> > > to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not used
> > any of
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > Monty,
> > > >
> > > > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> > > >
> > > > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
> > > digital
> > > > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on digital
> > > printing.
> > > >
> > > > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
> > > diving in
> > > > might be the best way.
> > > >
> > > > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink tone
> > > choices
> > > > might be the next step.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> > > supported and
> > > > widely available one at this point.
> > > >
> > > > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new ones
> > > out there,
> > > > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the B&W
> > > ("quad")
> > > > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages for
> > > those two
> > > > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> > > comparing the
> > > > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be significant.
> > > >
> > > > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
> > > However,
> > > > additional software is needed to do really good work, and there
> > > will always
> > > > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color inkset
> > > with no
> > > > light gray ink in it.
> > > >
> > > > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> > > (aka "Archival") matte,
> > > > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> > > >
> > > > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing in a
> > > continuous
> > > > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck on your journey.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks,
> > Polls and
> > > other resources as they are often being updated. The page is at:
> > >
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> Which FREE Quad Rip?
> 
> Doug

It's called QuadToneRip for Mac OS X and Linux:

http://www.harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html

I was able to tweak the stock ink profiles and now getting excellet results - using 
1160/Piezotone/Photorag

http://www.lexjet.com - contact Steve Cudzillo and tell him I sent 
you.  They usually require a paper or supply purchase with the RIP at 
$299 but even if you purchased $100 worth of paper/inks you are still 
saving $200 on the RIP. Also, their (Lexjet) support is LIGHT-YEARS 
better than ColorByte direct - you can actually get Lexjet on the 
telephone. 

BTW:  They sell the Epson UC Pigments for the same price as Atlex - 
$8.90/cart and their 10mil Photo Satin is identical to the Epson 
Premium Lustre.

Duncan Staples
www.staplesphoto.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Bibo 
<djbibo1@e...> wrote:
> Where have you  found it for $299?  Their web site says its $495.
> 
> Doug
> 
> Duncan Staples wrote:
> 
> > ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much better
> > than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  Price 
is
> > $299 - worth every penny if you ask me.
> >
> > Duncan
> >
> > \--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> > > >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> > >
> > > There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that 
do
> > a better
> > > job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the 
Epson
> > driver.
> > > A number of people on this forum are using these, and they 
would be
> > the ones
> > > to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not 
used
> > any of
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
Roark"
> > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > Monty,
> > > >
> > > > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> > > >
> > > > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
> > > digital
> > > > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on 
digital
> > > printing.
> > > >
> > > > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
> > > diving in
> > > > might be the best way.
> > > >
> > > > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink 
tone
> > > choices
> > > > might be the next step.
> > > >
> > > > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> > > supported and
> > > > widely available one at this point.
> > > >
> > > > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new 
ones
> > > out there,
> > > > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the 
B&W
> > > ("quad")
> > > > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages 
for
> > > those two
> > > > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> > > comparing the
> > > > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be 
significant.
> > > >
> > > > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
> > > However,
> > > > additional software is needed to do really good work, and 
there
> > > will always
> > > > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color 
inkset
> > > with no
> > > > light gray ink in it.
> > > >
> > > > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> > > (aka "Archival") matte,
> > > > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> > > >
> > > > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing 
in a
> > > continuous
> > > > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck on your journey.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
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Forgot to mention that I have no affiliation with them but purchased 
my RIP from them and purchase paper and inks from them and couldn't 
be happier with their support and integrity.

Duncan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Staples" 
<gdstaples@y...> wrote:
> http://www.lexjet.com - contact Steve Cudzillo and tell him I sent 
> you.  They usually require a paper or supply purchase with the RIP 
at 
> $299 but even if you purchased $100 worth of paper/inks you are 
still 
> saving $200 on the RIP. Also, their (Lexjet) support is LIGHT-YEARS 
> better than ColorByte direct - you can actually get Lexjet on the 
> telephone. 
> 
> BTW:  They sell the Epson UC Pigments for the same price as Atlex - 
> $8.90/cart and their 10mil Photo Satin is identical to the Epson 
> Premium Lustre.
> 
> Duncan Staples
> www.staplesphoto.com
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Bibo 
> <djbibo1@e...> wrote:
> > Where have you  found it for $299?  Their web site says its $495.
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > Duncan Staples wrote:
> > 
> > > ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much 
better
> > > than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  
Price 
> is
> > > $299 - worth every penny if you ask me.
> > >
> > > Duncan
> > >
> > > \--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
Roark"
> > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> > > > >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> > > >
> > > > There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs 
that 
> do
> > > a better
> > > > job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the 
> Epson
> > > driver.
> > > > A number of people on this forum are using these, and they 
> would be
> > > the ones
> > > > to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not 
> used
> > > any of
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul 
> Roark"
> > > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > > Monty,
> > > > >
> > > > > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> > > > >
> > > > > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald 
Johnson's "Mastering
> > > > digital
> > > > > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on 
> digital
> > > > printing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, 
just
> > > > diving in
> > > > > might be the best way.
> > > > >
> > > > > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink 
> tone
> > > > choices
> > > > > might be the next step.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> > > > supported and
> > > > > widely available one at this point.
> > > > >
> > > > > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new 
> ones
> > > > out there,
> > > > > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are 
the 
> B&W
> > > > ("quad")
> > > > > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the 
webpages 
> for
> > > > those two
> > > > > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> > > > comparing the
> > > > > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be 
> significant.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, 
excellent.
> > > > However,
> > > > > additional software is needed to do really good work, and 
> there
> > > > will always
> > > > > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color 
> inkset
> > > > with no
> > > > > light gray ink in it.
> > > > >
> > > > > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> > > > (aka "Archival") matte,
> > > > > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> > > > >
> > > > > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing 
> in a
> > > > continuous
> > > > > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck on your journey.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > > >
> > > >
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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan 
Staples" <gdstaples@y...> wrote:
> Forgot to mention that I have no affiliation with them but 
purchased 
> my RIP from them and purchase paper and inks from them and 
couldn't 
> be happier with their support and integrity.
> 
> Duncan
> 

Their current special for Imageprint with paper purchase is $399.  
Got mine last week.  Agree on the personable service - nice group.

Rob

You Mac guys get all the fun stuff.  ;)

Thanks,
Doug

John Vitollo wrote:

> > Which FREE Quad Rip?
> >
> > Doug
>
> It's called QuadToneRip for Mac OS X and Linux:
>
> http://www.harrington.com/QuadToneRIP.html
>
> I was able to tweak the stock ink profiles and now getting excellet 
> results - using
> 1160/Piezotone/Photorag
>
>
>
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Thanks.  I'll check it out.

Doug

Duncan Staples wrote:

> http://www.lexjet.com - contact Steve Cudzillo and tell him I sent
> you.  They usually require a paper or supply purchase with the RIP at
> $299 but even if you purchased $100 worth of paper/inks you are still
> saving $200 on the RIP. Also, their (Lexjet) support is LIGHT-YEARS
> better than ColorByte direct - you can actually get Lexjet on the
> telephone.
>
> BTW:  They sell the Epson UC Pigments for the same price as Atlex -
> $8.90/cart and their 10mil Photo Satin is identical to the Epson
> Premium Lustre.
>
> Duncan Staples
> www.staplesphoto.com
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Bibo
> <djbibo1@e...> wrote:
> > Where have you  found it for $299?  Their web site says its $495.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > Duncan Staples wrote:
> >
> > > ColorBytes ImagePrint 5.6LE is a very good solution - much better
> > > than the Epson driver for both color and black and white.  Price
> is
> > > $299 - worth every penny if you ask me.
> > >
> > > Duncan
> > >
> > > \--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > > Questiion:  what additional software are you
> > > > >referring to that makes the 2200 print better?
> > > >
> > > > There are several "RIPs" (Raster Image Processor) programs that
> do
> > > a better
> > > > job of controlling the color UltraChrome inkset than does the
> Epson
> > > driver.
> > > > A number of people on this forum are using these, and they
> would be
> > > the ones
> > > > to ask as to the relative merits of the programs.  I have not
> used
> > > any of
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul
> Roark"
> > > > <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > > > > Monty,
> > > > >
> > > > > >I would like some suggestions on getting started. ...
> > > > >
> > > > > It's hard to know where to start.  Harald Johnson's "Mastering
> > > > digital
> > > > > Printing" seems to get good reviews as a general book on
> digital
> > > > printing.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never had any luck learning software from a book.  So, just
> > > > diving in
> > > > > might be the best way.
> > > > >
> > > > > How much one wants to spend, what printer one has, and ink
> tone
> > > > choices
> > > > > might be the next step.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don't have a printer, the 1280 is probably the most
> > > > supported and
> > > > > widely available one at this point.
> > > > >
> > > > > I strongly favor pigment inks, and while there are some new
> ones
> > > > out there,
> > > > > Piezo/Cone Editions and MIS (inksupply.com) pigments are the
> B&W
> > > > ("quad")
> > > > > inks most used by people on this list.  Reading the webpages
> for
> > > > those two
> > > > > suppliers can tell you a lot.  If cost is a concern, start
> > > > comparing the
> > > > > costs of the various inks and papers -- they can be
> significant.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Epson 2200 and UltraChrome inks are, of course, excellent.
> > > > However,
> > > > > additional software is needed to do really good work, and
> there
> > > > will always
> > > > > be dots in the highlights, because that inkset is a color
> inkset
> > > > with no
> > > > > light gray ink in it.
> > > > >
> > > > > For starter paper, I highly recommend Epson Enhance
> > > > (aka "Archival") matte,
> > > > > available at www.atlex.com for a very reasonable price.
> > > > >
> > > > > I recommend buying ink in cartridges first before investing
> in a
> > > > continuous
> > > > > inking system.  That tends to lock you into one ink.
> > > > >
> > > > > Good luck on your journey.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com
> > > >
> > > >
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On Saturday, September 6, 2003, at 10:12  AM, flyfishingusa2002 wrote:

> Since I converted to a MAC I have not found the need for a color RIP 
> for my Epson
> 2200, the output is vey accurate using the standard Epson driver using 
> EEM.
> Furthermore, I am using the standard profiles, I have found no need to 
> generate a
> cusom profile. For B/W I am using the FREE Quadtone RIP, this is 
> giving me
> wonderful B/W prints using the standard UC inks and a quoted print 
> life of over 100
> years . So why pay  extra?
>
> Barry

Barry,

My sentiments exactly.  As far as I am concerned, until there is some 
other major break-though, in digital printing, I am where I want to be 
for the present with my Mac, QT Rip and my Epson 2200.

David

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