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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by J. Arthur Davis

Cleavis:
As I keep saying ---- "We are just too damn critical."

Like most artists I work with - they fall in love with their work and it
takes on a life of its own. When we as printers ( doing other peoples
reproductions ) don't handle the image just right we get accused of abusing
their child.

I for one get a little tired of all the fuss. Most of the stuff I see is
good for "sofa art" but not much else.

 defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get tired of
it then you put it on a yard sale.

I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create is
"sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just could not
stand that much honesty.

Jim Davis
http://www.visual-artists.com
davis.jarthur@...
Fine art printmaker


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From: <lyonscox@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:00 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


> Can't help but chuckle & _SKIP_ if you are not feeling philosophical.
>
> THE CHUCKLE
> I'm pretty sure I can set up a negative, mix Amidol and print a 16x20
> in less than an hour, clean up too.  Each art media has its nuances,
> we learn to love them.  Amusing that silver printing is less size
> dependent to time, than procedure.  This aside from the 19th Century
> photographers who carried mammoth plates in their wagon afar afield.
>
> HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ARCHIVAL
> Couple of years ago I saw VanGogh drawings.  They are a lovely shade
> to brown tones & if I remember correctly, historians believe they
> were nearly purple originally.
>
> I am very fond of Paul Klee and Jawlensky's work in the early 20th
> Century.  They can be expensive (I don't have a collection) and they
> can also be oil on cardboard...talk about archival issues.
>
> We look at watercolors or pastels under 15 watts of light in the
> Louvre.  Marvel at buildings that have sat outside in the sun for
> centuries (though our last century has been the hardest on them too,
> archivally speaking).
>
> WHERE THE MODERN DILEMMA STARTS:
>       with the advent of archeology as a science (perhaps).
>
> Edward Weston's platinum prints can be expensive, but he loved silver
> prints and made striking images in both.  He also complained about
> not finding the right paper for the image at times.  Told people they
> would just have to wait.
>
> When is it art?  Who brought upon us the impeding desire to achieve
> an archival product?  (Curators, whose job it is to preserve, not
> create & sometimes the artistic process makes their job a lot harder -
>  that's my guess)
>
> Is it more important that it be archival than whether the image is
> good?  Seems if you make a great image, someone will figure out how
> to care for it.  No need to stop tinkering, just remember why you are
> tinkering - to achieve that artistic vision I presume.
>
> I personally need to raise my head when I tinker too much, means I'm
> avoiding making something that I will have to evaluate with no one
> else to fault than myself.
>
> Cleavis in AZ
> (Sorry, I occassionally mis-spell words and lapse into this type of
> thinking...it makes up for my lack of tinker motivation ;-)
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Steadman Uhlich

Cleavis, 
Thanks for sharing your musings.  They made me chuckle too.  I wish there was more of that kind of contribution on this forum.  

Steadman
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lyonscox@... 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:00 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


  Can't help but chuckle & _SKIP_ if you are not feeling philosophical.

  THE CHUCKLE
  I'm pretty sure I can set up a negative, mix Amidol and print a 16x20 
  in less than an hour, clean up too.  Each art media has its nuances, 
  we learn to love them.  Amusing that silver printing is less size 
  dependent to time, than procedure.  This aside from the 19th Century 
  photographers who carried mammoth plates in their wagon afar afield.

  HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ARCHIVAL
  Couple of years ago I saw VanGogh drawings.  They are a lovely shade 
  to brown tones & if I remember correctly, historians believe they 
  were nearly purple originally.

  I am very fond of Paul Klee and Jawlensky's work in the early 20th 
  Century.  They can be expensive (I don't have a collection) and they 
  can also be oil on cardboard...talk about archival issues.

  We look at watercolors or pastels under 15 watts of light in the 
  Louvre.  Marvel at buildings that have sat outside in the sun for 
  centuries (though our last century has been the hardest on them too, 
  archivally speaking).

  WHERE THE MODERN DILEMMA STARTS:
        with the advent of archeology as a science (perhaps).

  Edward Weston's platinum prints can be expensive, but he loved silver 
  prints and made striking images in both.  He also complained about 
  not finding the right paper for the image at times.  Told people they 
  would just have to wait.  

  When is it art?  Who brought upon us the impeding desire to achieve 
  an archival product?  (Curators, whose job it is to preserve, not 
  create & sometimes the artistic process makes their job a lot harder -
  that's my guess)

  Is it more important that it be archival than whether the image is 
  good?  Seems if you make a great image, someone will figure out how 
  to care for it.  No need to stop tinkering, just remember why you are 
  tinkering - to achieve that artistic vision I presume.  

  I personally need to raise my head when I tinker too much, means I'm 
  avoiding making something that I will have to evaluate with no one 
  else to fault than myself.

  Cleavis in AZ
  (Sorry, I occassionally mis-spell words and lapse into this type of 
  thinking...it makes up for my lack of tinker motivation ;-)




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RE: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Nij

Is that one up from 'postcard art'?

Nij

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Arthur Davis [mailto:jarthurdavis@...]
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> I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create is
> "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just
> could not
> stand that much honesty.
>
> Jim Davis

Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Tyler Boley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis" <jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:
snip...
>  defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get tired of
> it then you put it on a yard sale.
> 
> I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create is
> "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just could not
> stand that much honesty.

Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to have work hanging in someone's home over their sofa. That 
means they chose to make it a part of their daily life, a big compliment. If it fails to hold interest after years daily scrutiny, 
I'm not gonna beat myself up. We don't admire even the greatest art for more than a few minutes in a museum, and I don't 
have near the aspirations those folks did.
Tyler

RE: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Alessandro Pardi

Hmm... I'm afraid the sofa he was talking about is the artist's :-)
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From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...]
Sent: venerdì 5 ottobre 2001 18.19
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis"
<jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:
snip...
>  defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get tired
of
> it then you put it on a yard sale.
> 
> I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create is
> "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just could
not
> stand that much honesty.

Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to have work
hanging in someone's home over their sofa. 



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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Steadman Uhlich

I agree.  

I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an office building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the sofa is "lived with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.  

Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated art from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the otherwise drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle when I saw a "famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a basement mens room over the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me determine not to donate my art to that hospital.  

Grin  (honest and true tale here). 

Steadman
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  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis" <jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:
  snip...
  >  defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get tired of
  > it then you put it on a yard sale.
  > 
  > I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create is
  > "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just could not
  > stand that much honesty.

  Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to have work hanging in someone's home over their sofa. That 
  means they chose to make it a part of their daily life, a big compliment. If it fails to hold interest after years daily scrutiny, 
  I'm not gonna beat myself up. We don't admire even the greatest art for more than a few minutes in a museum, and I don't 
  have near the aspirations those folks did.
  Tyler



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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Martin Wesley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> I agree.  
> 
> I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an 
office building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the 
sofa is "lived with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.  
> 
> Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated 
art from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the 
otherwise drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle 
when I saw a "famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a 
basement mens room over the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me 
determine not to donate my art to that hospital.  
> 
> Grin  (honest and true tale here). 

Steadman,

No that's a perfect spot! Where else is more likely to be intently 
stared at by thousands of people! The road to fame and fortune leads 
through some strange places.

I did hear back that I print I sold wound up in the buyer's bathroom. 
Not a great ego booster but we all know that huge portion of our work 
gets purchased for interior decorating purposes.

Are we degenerating to bathroom humor here? ;-)

Martin

(snip)

Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Steadman Uhlich

I doubt the artist (a woman) would have found the location to her liking.  The painting is of several women standing up.  Also, her art sells for over $1,000 for this size (about 20x30) and her "donation" of the art got featured with a photo of her donating in the local paper.  

True Story.

Steadman
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  From: Martin Wesley 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
  <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
  > I agree.  
  > 
  > I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an 
  office building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the 
  sofa is "lived with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.  
  > 
  > Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated 
  art from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the 
  otherwise drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle 
  when I saw a "famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a 
  basement mens room over the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me 
  determine not to donate my art to that hospital.  
  > 
  > Grin  (honest and true tale here). 

  Steadman,

  No that's a perfect spot! Where else is more likely to be intently 
  stared at by thousands of people! The road to fame and fortune leads 
  through some strange places.

  I did hear back that I print I sold wound up in the buyer's bathroom. 
  Not a great ego booster but we all know that huge portion of our work 
  gets purchased for interior decorating purposes.

  Are we degenerating to bathroom humor here? ;-)

  Martin

  (snip)


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RE: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Nij

True; I visited the Mona Lisa the other day, and I really wouldn't want her
eyes following me everywhere around my lounge! Though I would take the cash
equivalent, if offered :)

nij
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tyler Boley [mailto:tyler@...]
> Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to
> have work hanging in someone's home over their sofa. That
> means they chose to make it a part of their daily life, a big
> compliment. If it fails to hold interest after years daily scrutiny,
> I'm not gonna beat myself up. We don't admire even the greatest
> art for more than a few minutes in a museum, and I don't
> have near the aspirations those folks did.
> Tyler

Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by ternahan

average museum image viewing time is 10 seconnds. Sounds like the bathroom
art does very well in comparison....
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> From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:15:08 -0000
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich"
> <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
>> I agree.  
>> 
>> I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an
> office building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the
> sofa is "lived with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.
>> 
>> Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated
> art from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the
> otherwise drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle
> when I saw a "famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a
> basement mens room over the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me
> determine not to donate my art to that hospital.
>> 
>> Grin  (honest and true tale here).
> 
> Steadman,
> 
> No that's a perfect spot! Where else is more likely to be intently
> stared at by thousands of people! The road to fame and fortune leads
> through some strange places.
> 
> I did hear back that I print I sold wound up in the buyer's bathroom.
> Not a great ego booster but we all know that huge portion of our work
> gets purchased for interior decorating purposes.
> 
> Are we degenerating to bathroom humor here? ;-)
> 
> Martin
> 
> (snip)
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by J. Arthur Davis

Both are probably on the same level. ;-)

Jim Davis
http://www.visual-artists.com
davis.jarthur@...
Fine art printmaker

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From: "Nij" <nigel@...>
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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


> Is that one up from 'postcard art'?
>
> Nij
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J. Arthur Davis [mailto:jarthurdavis@...]
> <snip>
> >
> > I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create
is
> > "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just
> > could not
> > stand that much honesty.
> >
> > Jim Davis
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by J. Arthur Davis

Tyler:
You are absolutely correct. I would like to have those purchasing my art get
tired of it every spring,;- ) so I can sell them something new.

Jim Davis
http://www.visual-artists.com
davis.jarthur@...
Fine art printmaker

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Boley" <tyler@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis"
<jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:
> snip...
> >  defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get
tired of
> > it then you put it on a yard sale.
> >
> > I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals create
is
> > "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just could
not
> > stand that much honesty.
>
> Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to have work
hanging in someone's home over their sofa. That
> means they chose to make it a part of their daily life, a big compliment.
If it fails to hold interest after years daily scrutiny,
> I'm not gonna beat myself up. We don't admire even the greatest art for
more than a few minutes in a museum, and I don't
> have near the aspirations those folks did.
> Tyler
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by J. Arthur Davis

In other words if your art gets to hang over the urinals in the men's
washroom, in the basement, you can consider yourself a "famous" local
artist?  ;-) Just kidding....

Jim Davis
http://www.visual-artists.com
davis.jarthur@...
Fine art printmaker
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From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


> I agree.
>
> I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an office
building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the sofa is "lived
with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.
>
> Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated art
from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the otherwise
drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle when I saw a
"famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a basement mens room over
the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me determine not to donate my art
to that hospital.
>
> Grin  (honest and true tale here).
>
> Steadman
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tyler Boley
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:18 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question
>
>
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis"
<jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:
>   snip...
>   >  defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get
tired of
>   > it then you put it on a yard sale.
>   >
>   > I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals
create is
>   > "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just
could not
>   > stand that much honesty.
>
>   Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to have work
hanging in someone's home over their sofa. That
>   means they chose to make it a part of their daily life, a big
compliment. If it fails to hold interest after years daily scrutiny,
>   I'm not gonna beat myself up. We don't admire even the greatest art for
more than a few minutes in a museum, and I don't
>   have near the aspirations those folks did.
>   Tyler
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by SKID Photography

lyonscox@... wrote:

> Big snip>

> Is it more important that it be archival than whether the image is
> good?  Seems if you make a great image, someone will figure out how
> to care for it.  No need to stop tinkering, just remember why you are
> tinkering - to achieve that artistic vision I presume.
>
> I personally need to raise my head when I tinker too much, means I'm
> avoiding making something that I will have to evaluate with no one
> else to fault than myself.
>
> Cleavis in AZ.

So when is it ok to worry about how long things last?  Is a dye print, that fades in a couple of weeks in
indirect natural light acceptable?

I have seen beautiful works of art from the 60's self destruct to the point of becoming conceptual art in
under 20 years.  Is that ok?...I suppose it depends on the 'intent' of the artist.

The problems with non archival materials really accelerated during the 20th Century.  You referred to some
drawings by Van Gough that had changed color over time, which were still beautiful...But if you look at why he
did not use archival technique oe ephemeral materials), I think you will find that these drawings were
probably  studies for a 'final' piece of art.  Most of the 'old masters' (and I include the masters of
impressionism, among others, here as well) were very aware of archival process (although they might have used
other words), and were sure to follow it.  that was why they were apprentices *first*.  To learn proper
technique.

I might add, that there might have been other great artists who did not follow these archival procedures, but
we would not know of them because their artworks have long since self destructed and disappeared on their
own..

Harvey Ferdschneider
partner, SKID Photography, NYC



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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Steadman Uhlich

Now that is funny!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ternahan 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


  average museum image viewing time is 10 seconnds. Sounds like the bathroom
  art does very well in comparison....

  > From: "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...>
  > Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:15:08 -0000
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question
  > 
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich"
  > <steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
  >> I agree.  
  >> 
  >> I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an
  > office building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the
  > sofa is "lived with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.
  >> 
  >> Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated
  > art from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the
  > otherwise drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle
  > when I saw a "famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a
  > basement mens room over the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me
  > determine not to donate my art to that hospital.
  >> 
  >> Grin  (honest and true tale here).
  > 
  > Steadman,
  > 
  > No that's a perfect spot! Where else is more likely to be intently
  > stared at by thousands of people! The road to fame and fortune leads
  > through some strange places.
  > 
  > I did hear back that I print I sold wound up in the buyer's bathroom.
  > Not a great ego booster but we all know that huge portion of our work
  > gets purchased for interior decorating purposes.
  > 
  > Are we degenerating to bathroom humor here? ;-)
  > 
  > Martin
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-05 by Steadman Uhlich

She does consider herself to be a famous local artist.   No doubt about that.  

It is hard to visit a home in this city without seeing one or more of her images on refrigerator door magnets.  

This artist has taken the images from her larger canvases and used them on tissue (kleenex) boxes, waste bins, stationery, boxes, magnets, purses, paper weights, etc...

There is money in this...she sells tons of this stuff and local people who are looking for an "artsy" gift know where to go to buy it.. lots of price points, lots of customers.  You can buy something from $10 to $3,000.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J. Arthur Davis 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


  In other words if your art gets to hang over the urinals in the men's
  washroom, in the basement, you can consider yourself a "famous" local
  artist?  ;-) Just kidding....

  Jim Davis
  http://www.visual-artists.com
  davis.jarthur@...
  Fine art printmaker
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  From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
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  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question


  > I agree.
  >
  > I would much rather have my art hanging over a sofa than in an office
  building cubicle or restroom at an office.  The one over the sofa is "lived
  with" and obviously enjoyed by the buyer.
  >
  > Recently I went to a Hospital here and enjoyed seeing some donated art
  from local artists hanging in the hallways...to brighten up the otherwise
  drab grey/putty walls of the halls....then I had a chuckle when I saw a
  "famous" local artist's big painting hanging in a basement mens room over
  the urinals....got me chuckling and helped me determine not to donate my art
  to that hospital.
  >
  > Grin  (honest and true tale here).
  >
  > Steadman
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Tyler Boley
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:18 AM
  >   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question
  >
  >
  >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "J. Arthur Davis"
  <jarthurdavis@e...> wrote:
  >   snip...
  >   >  defn: "sofa art" Good enough art to hang on the wall until you get
  tired of
  >   > it then you put it on a yard sale.
  >   >
  >   > I would also be willing to say most of the art we as individuals
  create is
  >   > "sofa art," even though we would never to admit it. Our egos just
  could not
  >   > stand that much honesty.
  >
  >   Hi Jim, I have a different perspective. I would be honored to have work
  hanging in someone's home over their sofa. That
  >   means they chose to make it a part of their daily life, a big
  compliment. If it fails to hold interest after years daily scrutiny,
  >   I'm not gonna beat myself up. We don't admire even the greatest art for
  more than a few minutes in a museum, and I don't
  >   have near the aspirations those folks did.
  >   Tyler
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Re: [Digital BW] Chuckle and historical question

2001-10-06 by Martin Wesley

Steadman,

That is wild. The wonders of the institutional mind.

I trust the artist was not present for the hanging? Probably a lesson 
there about not taking our "fine art" too seriously!

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Steadman Uhlich" 
<steadmanuhlich@k...> wrote:
> 
> I doubt the artist (a woman) would have found the location to her 
liking.  The painting is of several women standing up.  Also, her art 
sells for over $1,000 for this size (about 20x30) and her "donation" 
of the art got featured with a photo of her donating in the local 
paper.  
> 
> True Story.
> 
> Steadman

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