Digital BW, The Print

Well, things are begining to look up, after speaking with the lab 
that made the profiles today, they gave me some tips that were 
new to me and I will share them.
Rather than set the profile in the epson print box, they suggested 
setting the profile in the Mode, convert to profile.
That made an enormous difference, in getting close to neutral, 
also setting View to custom for the monitor with the new profile, 
allows me to see subtle b&w adjustments on the screen.
While changing the brightness, I am seeing a pretty drastic color 
shift to Cyan, the lab had not experienced this.
Any thoughts.
david

David,

I know that the lab advises doing that "Convert to Profile". To me, 
it adds an unnecessary step. I have also found a difference in 
the prints with those three different ways to print that were 
mentioned by Todd earlier in this thread. 

I stuck up some screengrabs of my Print Dialogue Box, and the 
Advanced Settings box:

http://marktucker.com/epson/drivers.html

The Media Type setting is very important. Are you sure that you 
have the same Media Type setting in these last "problem" prints 
as you did for the prints that made up the profile?

I like NOT to convert to profile. I instead set the PRINT SPACE in 
the print dialogue box to the custom profile (in my case: Tucker 
7000 ICC Profile"). For photographs, Intent should be 
Perceptual. My working space is ColorMatchRGB, but your's is 
Adobe RGB; not problem, again, as long as the prints that made 
up your profile was done in this exact same way.

Let me know if anything else is missing. Or anyone can 
comment on any other approaches. Again, this is just me, and 
my personal way of working. I'm certainly not anywhere near a 
Bruce Fraser in terms of the subtleties of the different 
approaches. But this works very well for me in my workflow.

Mark Tucker

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., daschkenas@a... 
wrote:
> Well, things are begining to look up, after speaking with the lab 
> that made the profiles today, they gave me some tips that were 
> new to me and I will share them.
> Rather than set the profile in the epson print box, they 
suggested 
> setting the profile in the Mode, convert to profile.
> That made an enormous difference, in getting close to neutral, 
> also setting View to custom for the monitor with the new profile, 
> allows me to see subtle b&w adjustments on the screen.
> While changing the brightness, I am seeing a pretty drastic 
color 

> shift to Cyan, the lab had not experienced this.
> Any thoughts.
> david

David,

I apply the profile just like Mark does. This has Photoshop do the same
conversion that Convert to Profile does, but it does it to the data on the
way to the printer rather than to the original file, so it leaves your
original untouched for repurposing. If you decide to go the Convert to
Profile route I recommend you do it on a dupe of your original so you
archive an unconverted version for other uses.

I don't know about the cyan screen view. Is it accurate to how the print
looks?

Todd

> David,
> 
> I know that the lab advises doing that "Convert to Profile". To me,
> it adds an unnecessary step. I have also found a difference in
> the prints with those three different ways to print that were
> mentioned by Todd earlier in this thread.
> 
> I stuck up some screengrabs of my Print Dialogue Box, and the
> Advanced Settings box:
> 
> http://marktucker.com/epson/drivers.html
> 
> The Media Type setting is very important. Are you sure that you
> have the same Media Type setting in these last "problem" prints
> as you did for the prints that made up the profile?
> 
> I like NOT to convert to profile. I instead set the PRINT SPACE in
> the print dialogue box to the custom profile (in my case: Tucker
> 7000 ICC Profile"). For photographs, Intent should be
> Perceptual. My working space is ColorMatchRGB, but your's is
> Adobe RGB; not problem, again, as long as the prints that made
> up your profile was done in this exact same way.
> 
> Let me know if anything else is missing. Or anyone can
> comment on any other approaches. Again, this is just me, and
> my personal way of working. I'm certainly not anywhere near a
> Bruce Fraser in terms of the subtleties of the different
> approaches. But this works very well for me in my workflow.
> 
> Mark Tucker
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., daschkenas@a...
> wrote:
>> Well, things are begining to look up, after speaking with the lab
>> that made the profiles today, they gave me some tips that were
>> new to me and I will share them.
>> Rather than set the profile in the epson print box, they
> suggested 
>> setting the profile in the Mode, convert to profile.
>> That made an enormous difference, in getting close to neutral,
>> also setting View to custom for the monitor with the new profile,
>> allows me to see subtle b&w adjustments on the screen.
>> While changing the brightness, I am seeing a pretty drastic
> color 
>> shift to Cyan, the lab had not experienced this.
>> Any thoughts.
>> david