Digital BW, The Print

>I mentioned in an earlier post that I tried replacing the Cyan position
>with MIS-LK and the Photo Cyan position with MIS UT-Y. I got the idea
>from one of the experimental inksets that Paul posted earlier, and it
>seems to work very well.
>
>In effect I'm actually only using three inks now, but I can't really
>tell the difference, except for som very slight midtone dotting around
>30%.
>
>The curves required to balance the tones are much more gentle than full
>separation curves, and the highlights stay dotless no matter what
>adjustments you make. I've made a cool and a neutral warm curve for this
>inkset now and might go on to make a warm curve as well.
>
>It's really easy to work with, and the results are great, so I might
>actually stay with this for a while - At least until Paul finalizes his
>dual-toner inkset...
>
>--
>Daniel Staver
>http://daniel.staver.no

Daniel -

Forgive me if you've covered this already in your posts to the group, but:

I assume your procedure (replacing Epson's OEM Ultrachrome Cyan with MIS
light black, and OEM Ultrachrome Photo Cyan with MIS Ultratone Yellow) is
aimed at neutral B&W printing. Since I've read that yellow ink is
responsible for most of the metamerism characteristic of the Ultrachrone
inks (typically, a green cast in daylight, magenta under tungsten
illumination), how do your results look in terms of color shift under
different types of light?

I am looking for a way to print neutral, metamerism-free images onto a
non-matte paper (Epson semigloss or luster, probably) using a 2200 printer.

Thanks for any guidance,

-- Nick

> I assume your procedure (replacing Epson's OEM Ultrachrome 
> Cyan with MIS light black, and OEM Ultrachrome Photo Cyan 
> with MIS Ultratone Yellow) is aimed at neutral B&W printing. 

Sorry, I wasn't clear on that in my post... I'm using the MIS Ultratone
BW inkset with Eboni Black for all positions, and in addition to that
I've changed the cyan and photo cyan positions. So there's no
Ultrachromes in my printer.
 
> I am looking for a way to print neutral, metamerism-free 
> images onto a non-matte paper (Epson semigloss or luster, 
> probably) using a 2200 printer.

Haven't been able to get reliably good results on any glossy paper yet.
Everytime I try I end up with excessive bronzing, mottling and wheel
tracks on the prints... There must have been something wrong with the
cartridge I filled with MIS Photo black, because I also got really low
D-max on all the papers I tried it with.

I'll probably get around to that again some day...

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Nicholas 
Hartmann <POLYGLOT@E...> wrote:
> >I mentioned in an earlier post that I tried replacing the Cyan 
position
> >with MIS-LK and the Photo Cyan position with MIS UT-Y. I got the 
idea
> >from one of the experimental inksets that Paul posted earlier, and 
it
> >seems to work very well.
> >
> >In effect I'm actually only using three inks now, but I can't 
really
> >tell the difference, except for som very slight midtone dotting 
around
> >30%.
> >
> >The curves required to balance the tones are much more gentle than 
full
> >separation curves, and the highlights stay dotless no matter what
> >adjustments you make. I've made a cool and a neutral warm curve 
for this
> >inkset now and might go on to make a warm curve as well.
> >
> >It's really easy to work with, and the results are great, so I 
might
> >actually stay with this for a while - At least until Paul 
finalizes his
> >dual-toner inkset...
> >
> >--
> >Daniel Staver
> >http://daniel.staver.no
> 
> Daniel -
> 
> Forgive me if you've covered this already in your posts to the 
group, but:
> 
> I assume your procedure (replacing Epson's OEM Ultrachrome Cyan 
with MIS
> light black, and OEM Ultrachrome Photo Cyan with MIS Ultratone 
Yellow) is
> aimed at neutral B&W printing. Since I've read that yellow ink is
> responsible for most of the metamerism characteristic of the 
Ultrachrone
> inks (typically, a green cast in daylight, magenta under tungsten
> illumination), how do your results look in terms of color shift 
under
> different types of light?
> 
> I am looking for a way to print neutral, metamerism-free images 
onto a
> non-matte paper (Epson semigloss or luster, probably) using a 2200 
printer.
> 
I have some printing with qtr and std ultrachromes on Epson glossy 
paper photo weight (epson pro glossy by another name)
So far, I get so so warm tone results (K and LK only) 
Cooling things down is tricky though. I have to do everything by eye
Cant afford a lovely eye-on and the like.
Im still working on it, hopefully in a few days Ill be closer.
The std wtr profiles cool and warm look quite nice on EEM
Frank

> Thanks for any guidance,
> 
> -- Nick