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ImagePrint 5.6

ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-12 by A. Huntley

Thought some of you may be interested in knowing that a full working demo of IP 5.6 for either Mac or PC is now available for download from Calumet Photographic's website at:

http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/pr.jsp?p=dnp&t=e175&US=1

Scroll down about halfway on the left-hand side and you'll find the links. The evaluation version does print "Demo" in large letters across the print, but I still think it's useful enough to form a few opinions and to be able to properly judge whether this software will fit your needs. During installation, one thing that I found rather confusing at first is that the output profiles are not there even though I selected the 2200 checkbox for profile installation. I guess it assumes that you're installing from a CD where all the profiles would be readily available. Anyway, this issue is easily resolved by going to the ColorByte website and downloading the profiles you're interested in. Copy them to the "Color" folder in IP (typically, C:\Program Files\ImagePrint\Color if on a PC), restart IP, and, viola, the profiles are all there for output selection. I also had to move my monitor ICC profile to the "Color" folder even though the IP manual indicates that it will look into the platform-specific folder, as needed.

So far, I haven't printed enough to really form any opinions of my own. But, I can tell you that grayscale images (when using tint 50,50) appear to be absolutely neutral. I printed the same image that I had printed before using my Epson 1160 (UT inks - Paul's latest curves) and using the Epson 2200 with the Epson driver (applying everything that I knew of, to date, for printing grayscale on this printer.) I know it's not reasonable to draw any conclusions from one print, but, so far, I've found the following:

1. In natural indirect daylight (my living room) the Epson driver print has a sickly green cast and looks relatively flat (i.e., not 3-dimensional) when compared to the IP print.

2. In the same light as #1, the 1160/UT/Paul's curves print looks MUCH warmer (I did print it with the Medium Warm curve) and more 3-dimensional then the print from #1 when compared to the IP print, but... This is where objectivity takes a back seat...the IP print just seems to glow! I believe it's Ron Harris who feels that this particular characteristic is due to the way IP prints the high values; that is, the actual paper base is allowed to show through in the high value areas beyond its rendering capability. Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me...dunno...but, it's clearly visible!

Comparing the prints in tungsten light reveals more consistent "color" between the prints, but, again, the IP print seems to stand out a little more. I've read on this list that IP dumps shadow values below 92%...that may be true, but in the print I made the IP example shows better shadow separation than the other two. I plan to print one of Paul's grayscale ramps where the upper and lower values are separated in 1% increments. This will be compared directly to the same "image" printed on my standard quadtone setup (1160/UT/Roark curves). Should be interesting..........

FWIW, I've also found that IP separates whites in color prints better than the Epson driver and they, too, seem to have that same high value "glow" as the B&W prints. The IP profiles seem to render color images cooler than the Epson driver, but this is easily resolved if a match to an Epson print is the desired output.

Am I ready to spend $495, yet? Hmm...not yet, but my initial trials have been very encouraging. At least an evaluation version is readily obtainable now.

Regards,
Alan Huntley

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Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by Richard Sintchak

Well, I downloaded the demo onto my Win XP system, installed it
carefully following all the direction but cannot seem to get it to
print.  In the spooler I get an error message: "couldn't get machine
identification" and the spooler sits at 0% while my 2200 has a green
light blinking and the red paper light solid.  I read the entire
manual and went to the FAQ section on troubleshooting.  Nothing seems
to help as I tried most everything they recommend regarding proper
naming/selection of the printer when installing and also the choice of
local connection (I use USB).  Any help from anyone?

-- 
Best regards,
 Richard                            mailto:richard@...

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by J. Gilbert Plantinga

I can't get the installer to launch. Powerbook G4/800, OS X 10.2.8

Has anyone else successfully run this demo on a Mac?

Gilbert
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On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 01:34  PM, A. Huntley wrote:

> Thought some of you may be interested in knowing that a full working 
> demo of IP 5.6 for either Mac or PC is now available for download from 
> Calumet Photographic's website at:
>
> http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/pr.jsp?p=dnp&t=e175&US=1

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by Wendel White

Installed fine and works, on Powerbook G4 667, 10.2.8.

I already use IP on a Windows PC so I was curious about the OSX version.
Looks promising. 

Wendel
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> From: "J. Gilbert Plantinga" <jgp@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:31:31 -0400
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6
> 
> I can't get the installer to launch. Powerbook G4/800, OS X 10.2.8
> 
> Has anyone else successfully run this demo on a Mac?
> 
> Gilbert
>

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by Steve Kale

I got the installer to work fine, used Ipinstall to add the Epson 2200
printer (I am hoping that this will work with my 2100), but at the Ipmanage
stage it is asking for an encryption key which I obviously do not have.  Any
ideas?
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From: "J. Gilbert Plantinga" <jgp@...>
Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:31:31 -0400
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

I can't get the installer to launch. Powerbook G4/800, OS X 10.2.8

Has anyone else successfully run this demo on a Mac?

Gilbert

On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 01:34  PM, A. Huntley wrote:

> Thought some of you may be interested in knowing that a full working
> demo of IP 5.6 for either Mac or PC is now available for download from
> Calumet Photographic's website at:
>
> http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/pr.jsp?p=dnp&t=e175&US=1


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Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by J. Gilbert Plantinga

Then it must be something about my machine. I ran Dish First Aid and 
repaired permissions (which I should have done after the 10.2.8 update) 
and it changed settings for lots of CUPS files. But the installer still 
absolutely will not launch. It gives me the zooming outline as if a 
window were to open, the dock expands to show the installer's icon, but 
immediately contracts, all in the blink of an eye, no error message of 
any kind. Baffling!

I'm really interested in buying IP, but I need to see its grey scale 
output before I plunk down my money. My biggest concern is metamerism.

Gilbert
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On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 09:41  AM, Wendel White wrote:

> Installed fine and works, on Powerbook G4 667, 10.2.8.
>
> I already use IP on a Windows PC so I was curious about the OSX 
> version.
> Looks promising.
>
> Wendel
>
>
>
>> From: "J. Gilbert Plantinga" <jgp@...>
>> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:31:31 -0400
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6
>>
>> I can't get the installer to launch. Powerbook G4/800, OS X 10.2.8
>>
>> Has anyone else successfully run this demo on a Mac?

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by J. Gilbert Plantinga

On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:31  PM, J. Gilbert Plantinga wrote:

> Then it must be something about my machine. I ran Dish First Aid and
>                                                                        
>                       ^^^^

"Disk First Aid"

Doh...

Gilbert

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by Steve Kale

If I launch IP anyway I don't get any colour profiles for specific printer/mediaa 
combinations.....


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale <stevekale@b...> 
wrote:
> I got the installer to work fine, used Ipinstall to add the Epson 2200
> printer (I am hoping that this will work with my 2100), but at the Ipmanage
> stage it is asking for an encryption key which I obviously do not have.  Any
> ideas?
> 
> 
> From: "J. Gilbert Plantinga" <jgp@g...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:31:31 -0400
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6
> 
> I can't get the installer to launch. Powerbook G4/800, OS X 10.2.8
> 
> Has anyone else successfully run this demo on a Mac?
> 
> Gilbert
> 
> On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 01:34  PM, A. Huntley wrote:
> 
> > Thought some of you may be interested in knowing that a full working
> > demo of IP 5.6 for either Mac or PC is now available for download from
> > Calumet Photographic's website at:
> >
> > http://www.calumetphoto.com/syrinx/pr.jsp?p=dnp&t=e175&US=1
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by J. Gilbert Plantinga

You have to download them separately:

http://www.colorbytesoftware.com/downloads.htm

I wish that was my only problem :-)

Gilbert
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On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:43  PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> If I launch IP anyway I don't get any colour profiles for specific 
> printer/mediaa
> combinations.....
>

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by Steve Kale

Thanks.  I got there in the end.  Another web page that does not work properly with 
Safari.  (I got access to the profiles when I used IE.)  FYI I am using a G4 and had no 
problems with the install.  All works ok - ignore IPManage.  However, it is very 
difficult to evaluate the prints due to the demo watermark which covers EVERY inch of 
the page.  At the moment I have printed just one colour A3 print and will next print a 
B&W image.  So far I am seriously wondering whether the colour prints are ANY better 
than using the Epson driver with a decent ICC profile for the media/printer 
combination and proper colour mgt....

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "J. Gilbert Plantinga" 
<jgp@g...> wrote:
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> You have to download them separately:
> 
> http://www.colorbytesoftware.com/downloads.htm
> 
> I wish that was my only problem :-)
> 
> Gilbert
> 
> On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 12:43  PM, Steve Kale wrote:
> 
> > If I launch IP anyway I don't get any colour profiles for specific 
> > printer/mediaa
> > combinations.....
> >

Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6

2003-10-13 by J. Gilbert Plantinga

The problem turned out to be a bug in Stuffit Expander 8.0.1 for which 
a patch is available on Alladin's site. Colorbyte email support 
promptly got me up and running, and now I'm evaluating prints.

Gilbert
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On Monday, October 13, 2003, at 11:44  AM, Steve Kale wrote:

> I got the installer to work fine, used Ipinstall to add the Epson 2200
> printer (I am hoping that this will work with my 2100), but at the 
> Ipmanage
> stage it is asking for an encryption key which I obviously do not 
> have.  Any
> ideas?
>
>
> From: "J. Gilbert Plantinga" <jgp@...>
> Reply-To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:31:31 -0400
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] ImagePrint 5.6
>
> I can't get the installer to launch. Powerbook G4/800, OS X 10.2.8
>
> Has anyone else successfully run this demo on a Mac?

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