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Contact Print Negatives

Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-06 by Joe Thibodeau

To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to print 
negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. Can 
someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? Sorry if 
this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend some time 
searching through the archive but did not find an answer.

Joe

Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-06 by Kees Brandenburg

Joe,
There are two good products for this purpose:

1. Pictorico OHP inkjet transparancies <http://www.pictorico.com>
2. Agfa CopyJet (sheet) or SelectJet (roll)
<http://graphics.agfa.com/product/CatProd_DisplayPublic.html?id=8318>

Pictorico is the standard. Agfa is the only inkjet transparancy that
resembles it (and is a lot cheaper - allthough prices went up recently).

See dan burkholders site and book for instructions. 
http://www.danburkholder.com

Use QuadTone Rip (if you are on a Mac with os x or linux) to make
you're own separations. The point where next (grey) ink comes in is
different between paper (reflective light) and transparancies
(transmissive light).

 

Kees Brandenburg




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Thibodeau"
<jetcode@a...> wrote:
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> 
> To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to print 
> negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. Can 
> someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? Sorry if 
> this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend some time 
> searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
> 
> Joe

RE: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-06 by David R. Spielman

Joe,

You can use Pictorico's OHP film or their Photo Gallery High-Gloss White
Film.
Both can be used to make negatives for silver/gelatin material.
If platinum/palladium is your game, the OHP is your only solution.
Turns out that the base material of the High-Gloss White Film is UV opaque!
Use the photo black ink on your 2200 and print at 2880 dpi.

I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital negatives
used to print on silver/gelatin print material.

In    Out
0%    10%
5%    11.9%
10%    13.9%
20%    17.6%
30%    21.9%
40%    26.5%
50%    31.5%
60%    36.8%
70%    43.0%
80%    52.0%
90%    70.0%
95%    87.0%
100%    100%

Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
Setup: photo black ink,
Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image, printer
source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before using.

Works great!

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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  From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@...]
  Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives



  To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to print
  negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. Can
  someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? Sorry if
  this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend some time
  searching through the archive but did not find an answer.

  Joe



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Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-06 by Joe Thibodeau

Hi David,

Thanks for the information. Very helpful if I decide to go back into 
the darkroom ... I triedentering the curve using curves and the 
entry field gets rounded off to integers so I'm not sure how to 
enter a fractional value. 

Joe

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> You can use Pictorico's OHP film or their Photo Gallery High-Gloss 
White
> Film.
> Both can be used to make negatives for silver/gelatin material.
> If platinum/palladium is your game, the OHP is your only solution.
> Turns out that the base material of the High-Gloss White Film is 
UV opaque!
> Use the photo black ink on your 2200 and print at 2880 dpi.
> 
> I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital 
negatives
> used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
> 
> In    Out
> 0%    10%
> 5%    11.9%
> 10%    13.9%
> 20%    17.6%
> 30%    21.9%
> 40%    26.5%
> 50%    31.5%
> 60%    36.8%
> 70%    43.0%
> 80%    52.0%
> 90%    70.0%
> 95%    87.0%
> 100%    100%
> 
> Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
> Setup: photo black ink,
> Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image, 
printer
> source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before 
using.
> 
> Works great!
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
>   Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives
> 
> 
> 
>   To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to print
>   negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. Can
>   someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? Sorry if
>   this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend some 
time
>   searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
> 
>   Joe
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-07 by David R. Spielman

Joe,

Do the following:


1) With an image loaded, invoke the print with preview function (File>Print
with Preview
) and then,
2) Select the Output function from the Color Management/Output drop-down
list box.
3) Click on the Transfer Function button and enter the curve values
4) Save the transfer function as an *.ATF file with an appropriate name. The
contrast adjustment curve is now ready to be used.

To apply the contrast adjustment curve involves the curves function in
Photoshop (Image>Adjustments>Curves).
Click on the Load button, and select the *.ATF file type.
Select the file name of the desired curve and its graph will be displayed
Don’t be concerned if the resulting image looks very strange onscreen.
It is important that no further adjustments (tone, contrast, brightness,
etc.) be
made in Photoshop after this contrast adjustment curve has been applied.


Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:29 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives



  Hi David,

  Thanks for the information. Very helpful if I decide to go back into
  the darkroom ... I triedentering the curve using curves and the
  entry field gets rounded off to integers so I'm not sure how to
  enter a fractional value.

  Joe

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  > Joe,
  >
  > You can use Pictorico's OHP film or their Photo Gallery High-Gloss
  White
  > Film.
  > Both can be used to make negatives for silver/gelatin material.
  > If platinum/palladium is your game, the OHP is your only solution.
  > Turns out that the base material of the High-Gloss White Film is
  UV opaque!
  > Use the photo black ink on your 2200 and print at 2880 dpi.
  >
  > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital
  negatives
  > used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
  >
  > In    Out
  > 0%    10%
  > 5%    11.9%
  > 10%    13.9%
  > 20%    17.6%
  > 30%    21.9%
  > 40%    26.5%
  > 50%    31.5%
  > 60%    36.8%
  > 70%    43.0%
  > 80%    52.0%
  > 90%    70.0%
  > 95%    87.0%
  > 100%    100%
  >
  > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
  > Setup: photo black ink,
  > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image,
  printer
  > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before
  using.
  >
  > Works great!
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >   From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
  >   Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives
  >
  >
  >
  >   To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to print
  >   negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. Can
  >   someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? Sorry if
  >   this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend some
  time
  >   searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
  >
  >   Joe
  >
  >
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[Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-07 by Joe Thibodeau

Hi David,

Thanks again for the lesson in applying curves and offering the 
mapping to Silver Gelatin. It is interesting to me to examine at the 
strange appearance ... this is the kind of negative that Silver 
demands ... I don't have any negatives that look like this!

Joe

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> Do the following:
> 
> 
> 1) With an image loaded, invoke the print with preview function 
(File>Print
> with Preview
) and then,
> 2) Select the Output function from the Color Management/Output 
drop-down
> list box.
> 3) Click on the Transfer Function button and enter the curve values
> 4) Save the transfer function as an *.ATF file with an appropriate 
name. The
> contrast adjustment curve is now ready to be used.
> 
> To apply the contrast adjustment curve involves the curves 
function in
> Photoshop (Image>Adjustments>Curves).
> Click on the Load button, and select the *.ATF file type.
> Select the file name of the desired curve and its graph will be 
displayed
> Don't be concerned if the resulting image looks very strange 
onscreen.
> It is important that no further adjustments (tone, contrast, 
brightness,
> etc.) be
> made in Photoshop after this contrast adjustment curve has been 
applied.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:29 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives
> 
> 
> 
>   Hi David,
> 
>   Thanks for the information. Very helpful if I decide to go back 
into
>   the darkroom ... I triedentering the curve using curves and the
>   entry field gets rounded off to integers so I'm not sure how to
>   enter a fractional value.
> 
>   Joe
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
>   Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
>   > Joe,
>   >
>   > You can use Pictorico's OHP film or their Photo Gallery High-
Gloss
>   White
>   > Film.
>   > Both can be used to make negatives for silver/gelatin material.
>   > If platinum/palladium is your game, the OHP is your only 
solution.
>   > Turns out that the base material of the High-Gloss White Film 
is
>   UV opaque!
>   > Use the photo black ink on your 2200 and print at 2880 dpi.
>   >
>   > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital
>   negatives
>   > used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
>   >
>   > In    Out
>   > 0%    10%
>   > 5%    11.9%
>   > 10%    13.9%
>   > 20%    17.6%
>   > 30%    21.9%
>   > 40%    26.5%
>   > 50%    31.5%
>   > 60%    36.8%
>   > 70%    43.0%
>   > 80%    52.0%
>   > 90%    70.0%
>   > 95%    87.0%
>   > 100%    100%
>   >
>   > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
>   > Setup: photo black ink,
>   > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image,
>   printer
>   > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before
>   using.
>   >
>   > Works great!
>   >
>   > Best Regards,
>   >
>   > David R. Spielman
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
>   >   Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM
>   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to 
print
>   >   negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. 
Can
>   >   someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? 
Sorry if
>   >   this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend 
some
>   time
>   >   searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
>   >
>   >   Joe
>   >
>   >
>   >
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[Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-07 by Joe Thibodeau

Hi David,

Thanks again for the lesson in applying curves and offering the 
mapping to Silver Gelatin. It is interesting to me to examine at the 
strange appearance ... this is the kind of negative that Silver 
demands ... I don't have any negatives that look like this!

Joe

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R. 
Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> Do the following:
> 
> 
> 1) With an image loaded, invoke the print with preview function 
(File>Print
> with Preview
) and then,
> 2) Select the Output function from the Color Management/Output 
drop-down
> list box.
> 3) Click on the Transfer Function button and enter the curve values
> 4) Save the transfer function as an *.ATF file with an appropriate 
name. The
> contrast adjustment curve is now ready to be used.
> 
> To apply the contrast adjustment curve involves the curves 
function in
> Photoshop (Image>Adjustments>Curves).
> Click on the Load button, and select the *.ATF file type.
> Select the file name of the desired curve and its graph will be 
displayed
> Don't be concerned if the resulting image looks very strange 
onscreen.
> It is important that no further adjustments (tone, contrast, 
brightness,
> etc.) be
> made in Photoshop after this contrast adjustment curve has been 
applied.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> David R. Spielman
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:29 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives
> 
> 
> 
>   Hi David,
> 
>   Thanks for the information. Very helpful if I decide to go back 
into
>   the darkroom ... I triedentering the curve using curves and the
>   entry field gets rounded off to integers so I'm not sure how to
>   enter a fractional value.
> 
>   Joe
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
>   Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
>   > Joe,
>   >
>   > You can use Pictorico's OHP film or their Photo Gallery High-
Gloss
>   White
>   > Film.
>   > Both can be used to make negatives for silver/gelatin material.
>   > If platinum/palladium is your game, the OHP is your only 
solution.
>   > Turns out that the base material of the High-Gloss White Film 
is
>   UV opaque!
>   > Use the photo black ink on your 2200 and print at 2880 dpi.
>   >
>   > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital
>   negatives
>   > used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
>   >
>   > In    Out
>   > 0%    10%
>   > 5%    11.9%
>   > 10%    13.9%
>   > 20%    17.6%
>   > 30%    21.9%
>   > 40%    26.5%
>   > 50%    31.5%
>   > 60%    36.8%
>   > 70%    43.0%
>   > 80%    52.0%
>   > 90%    70.0%
>   > 95%    87.0%
>   > 100%    100%
>   >
>   > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
>   > Setup: photo black ink,
>   > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image,
>   printer
>   > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before
>   using.
>   >
>   > Works great!
>   >
>   > Best Regards,
>   >
>   > David R. Spielman
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
>   >   Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM
>   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   >   Subject: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >   To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to 
print
>   >   negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. 
Can
>   >   someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? 
Sorry if
>   >   this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend 
some
>   time
>   >   searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
>   >
>   >   Joe
>   >
>   >
>   >
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>   >
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Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-07 by Joe Thibodeau

Thanks Kees ... Joe

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kees 
Brandenburg" <ctb@z...> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> There are two good products for this purpose:
> 
> 1. Pictorico OHP inkjet transparancies <http://www.pictorico.com>
> 2. Agfa CopyJet (sheet) or SelectJet (roll)
> <http://graphics.agfa.com/product/CatProd_DisplayPublic.html?
id=8318>
> 
> Pictorico is the standard. Agfa is the only inkjet transparancy 
that
> resembles it (and is a lot cheaper - allthough prices went up 
recently).
> 
> See dan burkholders site and book for instructions. 
> http://www.danburkholder.com
> 
> Use QuadTone Rip (if you are on a Mac with os x or linux) to make
> you're own separations. The point where next (grey) ink comes in is
> different between paper (reflective light) and transparancies
> (transmissive light).
> 
>  
> 
> Kees Brandenburg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe 
Thibodeau"
> <jetcode@a...> wrote:
> > 
> > To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to print 
> > negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement. Can 
> > someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose? Sorry 
if 
> > this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend some 
time 
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> > searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
> > 
> > Joe

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-07 by David R. Spielman

Joe,

The tone/density relationship of the OHP material is very non-linear. That's
why your image looks so strange after applying the curve. By the way, don't
forget to invert the image after applying the curve. This transforms the
image from a positive into a negative.

Best Regards,

David R. Spielman
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@allvantage.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:12 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives



  Hi David,

  Thanks again for the lesson in applying curves and offering the
  mapping to Silver Gelatin. It is interesting to me to examine at the
  strange appearance ... this is the kind of negative that Silver
  demands ... I don't have any negatives that look like this!

  Joe

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  > Joe,
  >
  > Do the following:
  >
  >
  > 1) With an image loaded, invoke the print with preview function
  (File>Print
  > with Preview
) and then,
  > 2) Select the Output function from the Color Management/Output
  drop-down
  > list box.
  > 3) Click on the Transfer Function button and enter the curve values
  > 4) Save the transfer function as an *.ATF file with an appropriate
  name. The
  > contrast adjustment curve is now ready to be used.
  >
  > To apply the contrast adjustment curve involves the curves
  function in
  > Photoshop (Image>Adjustments>Curves).
  > Click on the Load button, and select the *.ATF file type.
  > Select the file name of the desired curve and its graph will be
  displayed
  > Don't be concerned if the resulting image looks very strange
  onscreen.
  > It is important that no further adjustments (tone, contrast,
  brightness,
  > etc.) be
  > made in Photoshop after this contrast adjustment curve has been
  applied.
  >
  >
  > Best Regards,
  >
  > David R. Spielman
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
  > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:29 PM
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives
  >
  >
  >
  >   Hi David,
  >
  >   Thanks for the information. Very helpful if I decide to go back
  into
  >   the darkroom ... I triedentering the curve using curves and the
  >   entry field gets rounded off to integers so I'm not sure how to
  >   enter a fractional value.
  >
  >   Joe
  >
  >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David R.
  >   Spielman" <david@s...> wrote:
  >   > Joe,
  >   >
  >   > You can use Pictorico's OHP film or their Photo Gallery High-
  Gloss
  >   White
  >   > Film.
  >   > Both can be used to make negatives for silver/gelatin material.
  >   > If platinum/palladium is your game, the OHP is your only
  solution.
  >   > Turns out that the base material of the High-Gloss White Film
  is
  >   UV opaque!
  >   > Use the photo black ink on your 2200 and print at 2880 dpi.
  >   >
  >   > I've developed the Photoshop adjustment curve below for digital
  >   negatives
  >   > used to print on silver/gelatin print material.
  >   >
  >   > In    Out
  >   > 0%    10%
  >   > 5%    11.9%
  >   > 10%    13.9%
  >   > 20%    17.6%
  >   > 30%    21.9%
  >   > 40%    26.5%
  >   > 50%    31.5%
  >   > 60%    36.8%
  >   > 70%    43.0%
  >   > 80%    52.0%
  >   > 90%    70.0%
  >   > 95%    87.0%
  >   > 100%    100%
  >   >
  >   > Using a Epson 2200, and Pictorico OHP material.
  >   > Setup: photo black ink,
  >   > Premium glossy photo paper setting, untagged grayscale image,
  >   printer
  >   > source, same as source. Let the negative cure overnight before
  >   using.
  >   >
  >   > Works great!
  >   >
  >   > Best Regards,
  >   >
  >   > David R. Spielman
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   From: Joe Thibodeau [mailto:jetcode@a...]
  >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:59 AM
  >   >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   >   Subject: [Digital BW] Contact Print Negatives
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >   To extend my art to Silver in the digital domain I want to
  print
  >   >   negatives on the 2200 for contact printing or enlargement.
  Can
  >   >   someone recommend a film to print on for such a purpose?
  Sorry if
  >   >   this topic has been rehashed a million times. I did spend
  some
  >   time
  >   >   searching through the archive but did not find an answer.
  >   >
  >   >   Joe
  >   >
  >   >
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[Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-08 by Doug Nielsen

> Guys,
> 
> Does anyone know if Burkholder's "Inkjet Negative Companion" disk has 
> settings, etc. for making negs with the Epson1280?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> AZ


Yes, Burkholder's Inkjet Negative Companion does cover the 1280.

An interesting change since his earlier writing, he now recommends Pictorico High 
Gloss White Film for negatives to be used on silver prints. The White film apparently is 
superior to the OHP material but will not work with platinum prints because it blocks 
UV light.

Doug Nielsen

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-08 by Barry Hobden

It certainly does!
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> 
> Does anyone know if Burkholder's "Inkjet Negative Companion" disk has 
> settings, etc. for making negs with the Epson1280?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> AZ
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Contact Print Negatives

2003-11-08 by Alan Zinn

At 06:14 PM 11/7/03 +0000, you wrote:

>Thanks Kees ... Joe
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Kees
>Brandenburg" <ctb@z...> wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> > There are two good products for this purpose:
> >
> > 1. Pictorico OHP inkjet transparancies <http://www.pictorico.com>
> > 2. Agfa CopyJet (sheet) or SelectJet (roll)
> > <http://graphics.agfa.com/product/CatProd_DisplayPublic.html?
>id=8318>
> >
> > Pictorico is the standard. Agfa is the only inkjet transparancy
>that
> > resembles it (and is a lot cheaper - allthough prices went up
>recently).
> >
> > See dan burkholders site and book for instructions.
> > http://www.danburkholder.com
> >
> > Use QuadTone Rip (if you are on a Mac with os x or linux) to make
> > you're own separations. The point where next (grey) ink comes in is
> > different between paper (reflective light) and transparancies
> > (transmissive light).
> >
>

Guys,

Does anyone know if Burkholder's "Inkjet Negative Companion" disk has 
settings, etc. for making negs with the Epson1280?

Thanks,

AZ

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